Debate on a motion to approve the Lisbon treaty (Cm 7294). Justice and Home Affairs. First day debate. Amendment negatived on division (167 to 360). Main question agreed (360 to 167). (Relevant documents: Home Affairs Select Committee third report of session 2006-07, on Justice and Home Affairs Issues at European Union Level, HC 76, and the Government's response, HC 1021 2006-07.)
Lisbon Treaty (No.1)
Debates on treaty on Tuesday, 29 January 2008,
in the House of Commons,
led by Baroness Smith of Malvern.
Type
Parliamentary proceeding
Reference
471 c173-237, (corrigendum) 446;471 c173-237 
Session
2007-08
Chamber / Committee
House of Commons chamber
Treaty of Lisbon amending the Treaty establishing the European Union and the Treaty establishing the European Community, including the Protocols and Final Act with Declarations. (Lisbon 2007).
Monday, 17 December 2007
Command papers
House of Commons
Monday, 17 December 2007
Command papers
House of Commons
Justice and home affairs issues at European Union level. Home Affairs Select Committee third report with proceedings, evidence (HC 76 i-v not printed separately) and memoranda.
Thursday, 24 May 2007
Parliamentary committees
House of Commons
Thursday, 24 May 2007
Parliamentary committees
House of Commons
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Justice and home affairs issues at European Union level. Home Affairs Select Committee first special report - government response to the Committee's third report of session 2006-07 (HC 76).
Thursday, 11 October 2007
Parliamentary committees
House of Commons
Thursday, 11 October 2007
Parliamentary committees
House of Commons
Proceeding contributions
Speaker | 471 c173 (Link to this contribution)
I inform the House that I have selected the amendment in the name of the right hon. Member for Richm...
Baroness Smith of Malvern | 471 c173 (Link to this contribution)
I am coming precisely to the point about the success of the Government's negotiations in ensuring th...
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John Redwood | 471 c173-4 (Link to this contribution)
Why did the Home Secretary not just say that Great Britain wishes to keep in place the original arch...
Baroness Smith of Malvern | 471 c173 (Link to this contribution)
I beg to move,"That this House approves the Government's policy towards the Treaty of Lisbon in resp...
Dominic Grieve | 471 c173 (Link to this contribution)
I have listened carefully to the Home Secretary's opening words about the importance for the EU of m...
Baroness Smith of Malvern | 471 c174 (Link to this contribution)
I was going to discuss those sorts of results, but I see that I shall now take further interventions...
William Cash | 471 c174 (Link to this contribution)
This certainly will be germane to the subject matter that we are discussing. I would like the Home S...
Baroness Smith of Malvern | 471 c174 (Link to this contribution)
I made it absolutely clear that I felt—I shall outline this when I make some progress in my speech—t...
Baroness Smith of Malvern | 471 c174 (Link to this contribution)
That is precisely why we were right to negotiate the opt-in on each justice and home affairs measure...
Baroness Smith of Malvern | 471 c174 (Link to this contribution)
I shall give way to the hon. Gentleman.
Bernard Jenkin | 471 c174 (Link to this contribution)
In 2006, the previous Prime Minister gave a very clear undertaking to the House of Commons. He said ...
Baroness Smith of Malvern | 471 c175 (Link to this contribution)
Generally, as we have announced recently, we have exceeded our target set last year to deport foreig...
Baroness Smith of Malvern | 471 c175 (Link to this contribution)
I think I have answered the question put by the hon. Member for North Essex (Mr. Jenkin), so I shall...
Dominic Grieve | 471 c175 (Link to this contribution)
The Home Secretary touched on the European arrest warrant. That is a good example, because by virtue...
Baroness Smith of Malvern | 471 c175 (Link to this contribution)
No. As the hon. Gentleman identified, on the whole body of police, criminal and judicial measures th...
Keith Vaz | 471 c175 (Link to this contribution)
May I take the Home Secretary back to the substance of this debate, rather than the froth of the Eur...
Baroness Smith of Malvern | 471 c175 (Link to this contribution)
My right hon. Friend is right, and in the body of my speech I will come on to precisely that point. ...
Lord Deben | 471 c177 (Link to this contribution)
Does the right hon. Lady agree that, if we are to face the much greater problems that we now have wi...
Baroness Smith of Malvern | 471 c177 (Link to this contribution)
I think that the right hon. Gentleman makes a very important point. Intergovernmental co-operation c...
Dominic Grieve | 471 c176 (Link to this contribution)
I am grateful to the Home Secretary for giving way again, in the spirit of Committee debates, but sh...
Baroness Smith of Malvern | 471 c177 (Link to this contribution)
I have already outlined what the position will be in four and a half years. I do not take the hon. G...
David Heathcoat-Amory | 471 c176 (Link to this contribution)
Why is the Home Secretary deliberately confusing the need for international co-operation in the war ...
Baroness Smith of Malvern | 471 c176 (Link to this contribution)
I began to explain the opportunities that the treaty will give us to work more effectively in an EU ...
Ed Davey | 471 c176 (Link to this contribution)
Can the Home Secretary confirm that in the Lisbon treaty the UK has negotiated opt-ins and opt-outs ...
David Winnick | 471 c177 (Link to this contribution)
Is it not absolutely inconceivable that we can combat the acute terrorist danger that European count...
Baroness Smith of Malvern | 471 c177 (Link to this contribution)
My hon. Friend makes the case extremely strongly. We have now heard that from my hon. Friends and fr...
James Clappison | 471 c177 (Link to this contribution)
Will the Home Secretary give way?
Baroness Smith of Malvern | 471 c178 (Link to this contribution)
No, I shall make a bit of progress first.
On the fight against drugs, we have joined other EU partn...
Dominic Grieve | 471 c178 (Link to this contribution)
Will the Home Secretary give way?
Baroness Smith of Malvern | 471 c178 (Link to this contribution)
In a moment.
During our last presidency of the EU, we introduced the EU action plan against traffic...
Baroness Smith of Malvern | 471 c177 (Link to this contribution)
No. I want to make some progress.
An example is the asylum arrangements agreed under the Dublin reg...
Patricia Hewitt | 471 c177-8 (Link to this contribution)
My right hon. Friend is making an extremely important point about the impact of co-operation and opt...
Baroness Smith of Malvern | 471 c178 (Link to this contribution)
My right hon. Friend is absolutely right about the increased strength over and above simply an inter...
James Clappison | 471 c178 (Link to this contribution)
Will the Home Secretary give way?
Michael Connarty | 471 c206-8 (Link to this contribution)
It is a joy indeed to follow the hon. Member for Eastleigh (Chris Huhne). He claims to have DNA that...
David Heath | 471 c206 (Link to this contribution)
My hon. Friend is raising an important point about the parliamentary scrutiny of any opt-in arrangem...
Kelvin Hopkins | 471 c211 (Link to this contribution)
Is not one of the problems that Britain is a country targeted by people emigrating from outside the ...
Michael Connarty | 471 c209-11 (Link to this contribution)
Thank you. Where I come from, that is called a compliment, on the basis that we in the industrial he...
Rob Marris | 471 c209 (Link to this contribution)
Yeah, that's right.
Michael Connarty | 471 c209 (Link to this contribution)
Perhaps I have been told that I use arcane arguments. I do not remember being accused of that; I am ...
William Cash | 471 c209 (Link to this contribution)
I would like to home in on the question of the European public prosecutor as an example. As a member...
Michael Connarty | 471 c208-9 (Link to this contribution)
I believe that the explanation was that we secured a better deal than Denmark did. That was the Gove...
Dominic Grieve | 471 c208 (Link to this contribution)
I read the report from the European Scrutiny Committee, and much of it made tremendous sense. Has th...
Dominic Grieve | 471 c204 (Link to this contribution)
The hon. Gentleman is right that I did not touch on that—I probably should have done, but it was rat...
Chris Huhne | 471 c204 (Link to this contribution)
It is absolutely clear in the treaty—I have just given the article reference—that the European Counc...
Chris Huhne | 471 c205 (Link to this contribution)
I can see that the paranoia that has infected the Conservative Front Benchers is creeping backwards....
David TC Davies | 471 c205 (Link to this contribution)
Does the hon. Gentleman not accept that although the provisions have been moved at the moment, there...
Chris Huhne | 471 c205-6 (Link to this contribution)
I am grateful to the right hon. Gentleman for that extremely helpful intervention. His recollection ...
Lord Deben | 471 c205 (Link to this contribution)
Will the hon. Gentleman remind the House that the Government knew perfectly well that the scope of h...
Chris Huhne | 471 c204 (Link to this contribution)
Happily—how could I not give way to the hon. Gentleman?
William Cash | 471 c204 (Link to this contribution)
Will the hon. Gentleman give way?
Chris Huhne | 471 c205 (Link to this contribution)
I believe that the emergency brake will apply across the board. That certainly appears to be the leg...
William Cash | 471 c204-5 (Link to this contribution)
I wonder whether the hon. Gentleman is being a little over-enthusiastic. Does he not recall that dur...
Chris Huhne | 471 c214 (Link to this contribution)
I gave an example in my speech of proposals for guaranteeing minimum standards for defendants throug...
David Heathcoat-Amory | 471 c215 (Link to this contribution)
Like all good lawyers, my hon. and learned Friend has his finger on the statistics. That is an enorm...
Kelvin Hopkins | 471 c215 (Link to this contribution)
I am listening to the right hon. Gentleman with interest. The hon. Member for Eastleigh (Chris Huhne...
David Heathcoat-Amory | 471 c214-5 (Link to this contribution)
The hon. Gentleman advances the remarkable proposition that, just because the Commission wants somet...
Lord Garnier | 471 c215 (Link to this contribution)
There have been 35 Bills with the words ““criminal justice”” in them, but 64 Bills have emerged from...
Rob Marris | 471 c216 (Link to this contribution)
I am grateful to the right hon. Gentleman for giving way; he is indeed being very generous. The righ...
David Heathcoat-Amory | 471 c216 (Link to this contribution)
I concede to the hon. Gentleman that there are specific and comparatively minor provisions for membe...
Chris Huhne | 471 c215-6 (Link to this contribution)
I am grateful to the right hon. Gentleman for giving way again; he is being very generous. However, ...
David Heathcoat-Amory | 471 c216 (Link to this contribution)
No, I do not accept what the hon. Gentleman says. My responsibility, as an elected Member of Parliam...
Michael Connarty | 471 c211-2 (Link to this contribution)
People have many reasons for not going to other countries, and dealing with a language as difficult ...
Dominic Grieve | 471 c212 (Link to this contribution)
I agree with every word that the hon. Gentleman says. However, he is classically demonstrating the s...
Michael Connarty | 471 c212-3 (Link to this contribution)
If the world could stand still, the hon. Gentleman would be right. However, the world cannot stand s...
Dominic Grieve | 471 c213 (Link to this contribution)
Is it not a problem that the treaty, like so many other aspects of the European Union, is a little l...
Rob Marris | 471 c213 (Link to this contribution)
There should be an emergency brake on the mangle.
Michael Connarty | 471 c213 (Link to this contribution)
I respect the Conservative Front-Bench position, but the hon. Gentleman is like the little boy who s...
David Heathcoat-Amory | 471 c214 (Link to this contribution)
I am pleased to follow the hon. Member for Linlithgow and East Falkirk (Michael Connarty), who chair...
Michael Connarty | 471 c213 (Link to this contribution)
I have said as much as I wish to say.
David Heathcoat-Amory | 471 c214 (Link to this contribution)
Many proposals languish for far too long after member states have decisively turned them down. One o...
Chris Huhne | 471 c214 (Link to this contribution)
Does the right hon. Gentleman agree that he is confusing proposals from the Commission, many of whic...
Baroness Stuart of Edgbaston | 471 c222 (Link to this contribution)
Will the right hon. Gentleman give way?
Lord Deben | 471 c221-2 (Link to this contribution)
If it is we who do not enable a particular provision to be operable, those who wish to operate it do...
James Clappison | 471 c221 (Link to this contribution)
My right hon. Friend is making a most convincing speech, apart perhaps from his last point. On the b...
Lord Deben | 471 c220-1 (Link to this contribution)
If I fail to give way to my hon. Friend, it is only because I have been admonished about the time I ...
Lord Deben | 471 c223 (Link to this contribution)
You are quite right, Madam Deputy Speaker.
The fact that all that may be true does not mean that we...
Lord Deben | 471 c222 (Link to this contribution)
I will proceed with my speech, if I may.
Of course, the difficulty for us is that we would like to ...
Speaker | 471 c222 (Link to this contribution)
Order. I think that the right hon. Gentleman is getting a little carried away, and going wide of the...
David Heathcoat-Amory | 471 c217 (Link to this contribution)
The right hon. Lady is overlooking the fact that we are talking not simply about this country adheri...
David Heathcoat-Amory | 471 c217 (Link to this contribution)
I am glad that I gave way to my hon. Friend; he has made a devastating point. If I have time later, ...
Lord Brady of Altrincham | 471 c217 (Link to this contribution)
Does my right hon. Friend agree that it is rather strange that a Government who have fought so hard ...
David Heathcoat-Amory | 471 c216-7 (Link to this contribution)
The hon. Lady is entirely right. Indeed, I have formally asked to be told the extent of the acquis c...
Gwyneth Dunwoody | 471 c216 (Link to this contribution)
Briefly, is it not a fact that if the Commission wanted to abandon any of the more bizarre proposals...
Chris Huhne | 471 c218 (Link to this contribution)
Will the right hon. Gentleman give way?
David Heathcoat-Amory | 471 c218 (Link to this contribution)
I will give way to the hon. Gentleman. He is very charming.
Chris Huhne | 471 c218 (Link to this contribution)
I am grateful to the right hon. Gentleman for giving way again; he has been very generous. He was ta...
David Heathcoat-Amory | 471 c218-9 (Link to this contribution)
That is the feeblest argument of all. We are talking about a new treaty with awesome powers, yet the...
James Clappison | 471 c223 (Link to this contribution)
It is a pleasure to follow my hon. Friend the Member for Stone (Mr. Cash), my right hon. Friend the ...
William Cash | 471 c223 (Link to this contribution)
I simply want to say that I certainly do not agree with the policy set out in the motion, and I do n...
Rob Marris | 471 c224 (Link to this contribution)
How did you vote then?
Lord Garnier | 471 c224 (Link to this contribution)
For me, the debate has been a rather nostalgic affair. I made my maiden speech in 1992, during the C...
Jim Murphy | 471 c226-8 (Link to this contribution)
I am delighted to have the opportunity to respond to the debate, which has been interesting and wide...
Lord Garnier | 471 c224-6 (Link to this contribution)
The hon. Gentleman has asked a very acute question, to which I am sure he knows the answer.
In the ...
Chris Huhne | 471 c203-4 (Link to this contribution)
Let me make a bit of further progress and I shall come back to the hon. Gentleman.
Article 35 of th...
Chris Huhne | 471 c201-2 (Link to this contribution)
I should like to give way, as the hon. Member for Stone (Mr. Cash) knows, because we have sparred on...
Dominic Grieve | 471 c202 (Link to this contribution)
The hon. Gentleman did not listen to what I said. He did not listen to the exchange between myself a...
Chris Huhne | 471 c202-3 (Link to this contribution)
I listened carefully to the hon. Gentleman during his exchange with the right hon. and learned Membe...
James Clappison | 471 c203 (Link to this contribution)
In view of the praise that the hon. Gentleman is lavishing on the judicial and home affairs chapter ...
Chris Huhne | 471 c203 (Link to this contribution)
I am very happy to say that we want to co-operate with our partners on matters for which there would...
William Cash | 471 c203 (Link to this contribution)
Will the hon. Gentleman give way?
Chris Huhne | 471 c201 (Link to this contribution)
I shall give way to the hon. Gentleman so that he can attempt to explain that.
Dominic Grieve | 471 c201 (Link to this contribution)
I am grateful to the hon. Gentleman. May I take him back to the European arrest warrant for a moment...
Ian Davidson | 471 c198 (Link to this contribution)
Surely it is easy to be on the winning side if one capitulates every time there is a row? Anybody ca...
Keith Vaz | 471 c198 (Link to this contribution)
That may happen in Glasgow, but I do not think that it happens in the negotiations that go on in Bru...
Mark Harper | 471 c197-8 (Link to this contribution)
The right hon. Gentleman is in danger of setting up a straw man. He seems to suggest that anyone who...
Keith Vaz | 471 c198 (Link to this contribution)
What we get is the ability to catch more criminals; to deal more effectively with human traffickers;...
Chris Huhne | 471 c200-1 (Link to this contribution)
I am pleased to follow the right hon. Member for Leicester, East (Keith Vaz), both because of his in...
Tony Baldry | 471 c198 (Link to this contribution)
Does the Chairman of the Home Affairs Committee agree that, although Europol might be a good initiat...
Keith Vaz | 471 c198-200 (Link to this contribution)
Most of my constituents might not have heard of Europol, because they have never come to the attenti...
Baroness Smith of Malvern | 471 c182 (Link to this contribution)
Article 69B of the Lisbon treaty defines trafficking in human beings and sexual exploitation of wome...
Peter Bone | 471 c182 (Link to this contribution)
Human trafficking is a European problem and a world problem, not an EU problem, and we should co-ope...
Baroness Smith of Malvern | 471 c182 (Link to this contribution)
I might not get to it.
Peter Bone | 471 c182 (Link to this contribution)
On human trafficking, how will this new treaty improve the current situation in dealing with co-oper...
Jeremy Wright | 471 c183 (Link to this contribution)
On the specific issue of whether this is a negotiating success, may I refer the Home Secretary back ...
Baroness Smith of Malvern | 471 c183 (Link to this contribution)
My hon. Friend makes an important point about the route through which women are often trafficked, an...
Sally Keeble | 471 c183 (Link to this contribution)
To return to the point about trafficking brought up by my neighbour, the hon. Member for Wellingboro...
Baroness Smith of Malvern | 471 c183 (Link to this contribution)
Earlier—perhaps the hon. Gentleman missed it—I referred to the fact that we were able to negotiate, ...
John Redwood | 471 c184 (Link to this contribution)
Will the Home Secretary tell us how she would have felt if the previous outgoing Conservative Govern...
Baroness Smith of Malvern | 471 c184 (Link to this contribution)
No. In fact, I replied to the hon. Member for Hertsmere (Mr. Clappison) at some length, and I outlin...
Bob Spink | 471 c181 (Link to this contribution)
Will the Home Secretary give way?
Baroness Smith of Malvern | 471 c181 (Link to this contribution)
I will make a little more progress. The sharing of information that I was talking about is not only ...
Bob Spink | 471 c182 (Link to this contribution)
The Home Secretary is very generous. Will she explain why it would be in the UK's interests, for ins...
Baroness Smith of Malvern | 471 c181 (Link to this contribution)
I will allow the voice of the Better Off Out group to speak.
Rob Marris | 471 c182 (Link to this contribution)
May I ask my right hon. Friend to shift the focus slightly—although perhaps not now—and deal also wi...
Baroness Smith of Malvern | 471 c182 (Link to this contribution)
My hon. Friend is absolutely right. I will get to that point, but he has made it eloquently.
Lord Deben | 471 c180 (Link to this contribution)
What assurances has the Home Secretary given to our European partners that their data will be better...
Baroness Smith of Malvern | 471 c180 (Link to this contribution)
The right hon. Gentleman was too helpful last time. I should have quit while I was ahead.
Looking t...
Baroness Smith of Malvern | 471 c181 (Link to this contribution)
The nature of the opt-in that we have negotiated means that we could decide not to opt in to such pr...
Baroness Stuart of Edgbaston | 471 c181 (Link to this contribution)
What slightly troubles me is that at the moment we envisage circumstances in which, for example, oth...
Baroness Smith of Malvern | 471 c181 (Link to this contribution)
ECJ jurisdiction already applies to the existing provisions on migration and asylum, for which we ar...
Dominic Grieve | 471 c180-1 (Link to this contribution)
I am extremely grateful to the Home Secretary for giving way; it may just help to tease out one of t...
Baroness Smith of Malvern | 471 c180 (Link to this contribution)
What I was outlining to the hon. Gentleman was not whether we would take a decision on a measure tha...
Ed Davey | 471 c180 (Link to this contribution)
Can the Home Secretary give the House an assurance that the UK will exercise its opt-in to co-operat...
Baroness Smith of Malvern | 471 c180 (Link to this contribution)
I know that that is an issue that my right hon. Friend's Select Committee, the Home Affairs Committe...
Dominic Grieve | 471 c179 (Link to this contribution)
If the threshold at which the penalty system operates is so high, why could the Government not secur...
Baroness Smith of Malvern | 471 c179 (Link to this contribution)
Just let me finish. The hon. Gentleman quotes selectively, because the first stage of that process w...
Keith Vaz | 471 c180 (Link to this contribution)
I am grateful to the Home Secretary for giving way a second time. On data sharing, is she satisfied ...
Baroness Smith of Malvern | 471 c179 (Link to this contribution)
The hon. Gentleman might not share my optimism, but he is wrong about the basis of the negotiation a...
James Clappison | 471 c178 (Link to this contribution)
Perhaps the Home Secretary can tell us what description she would choose to apply to an article that...
Baroness Smith of Malvern | 471 c178 (Link to this contribution)
The process is spelled out reasonably clearly, but I do not intend to go through it in detail now. I...
James Clappison | 471 c179 (Link to this contribution)
It is in the treaty.
Dominic Grieve | 471 c191 (Link to this contribution)
My right hon. and learned Friend must consider the extent to which this might be an opportunity for ...
Lord Clarke of Nottingham | 471 c191 (Link to this contribution)
Does my hon. Friend accept that, if we are to have mutual enforcement of criminal rules between the ...
Rob Marris | 471 c192 (Link to this contribution)
I am grateful for the hon. Gentleman's generosity, but may I draw his attention again to article 82?...
Dominic Grieve | 471 c192 (Link to this contribution)
May I take my right hon. and learned Friend back to the European arrest warrant? There might be argu...
Lord Clarke of Nottingham | 471 c192 (Link to this contribution)
I am grateful to my hon. Friend and I am pleased that he accepts the Maastricht settlement, the meri...
Dominic Grieve | 471 c191 (Link to this contribution)
There is a competition, so I give way first to my right hon. and learned Friend.
Dominic Grieve | 471 c192-3 (Link to this contribution)
I can see the two sides of the coin, but under the current third pillar arrangements the UK may nego...
Michael Connarty | 471 c193 (Link to this contribution)
Let me return the hon. Gentleman to his attack on the European arrest warrant, which I thought very ...
John Redwood | 471 c188 (Link to this contribution)
Will my hon. Friend confirm that, every time the Government opt in to an area of competence under th...
Ken Purchase | 471 c189 (Link to this contribution)
That is absolutely correct. If the hon. Gentleman had ever been in negotiations, he would understand...
Dominic Grieve | 471 c189 (Link to this contribution)
The hon. Gentleman may say that, and I could forgive the Government if there were just one or two is...
Rob Marris | 471 c190 (Link to this contribution)
Does not article 82 on page 70 of the consolidated text document, of which the hon. Gentleman will n...
Dominic Grieve | 471 c189-90 (Link to this contribution)
What happened in the negotiations calls for some explanation from the Government, but we have not ye...
Dominic Grieve | 471 c190-1 (Link to this contribution)
That might be the case, but the Government's position has consistently been that the European Union ...
Denis MacShane | 471 c191 (Link to this contribution)
Is not the most important part of any criminal procedure its very beginning, when a person is arrest...
Dominic Grieve | 471 c188 (Link to this contribution)
I fear that I might disappoint my hon. Friend because it is a three-and-a-half-hour debate and I can...
Bob Spink | 471 c188 (Link to this contribution)
Perhaps my hon. Friend can set out the nine important aspects of home affairs and justice that the t...
Dominic Grieve | 471 c188 (Link to this contribution)
My hon. Friend is right. I tried to intervene on the Home Secretary to ask her about that. The Europ...
William Cash | 471 c187 (Link to this contribution)
In relation to Denmark, and the Home Secretary's claim that there was some sort of negotiating trium...
Dominic Grieve | 471 c187 (Link to this contribution)
I have serious doubts about the red lines, and I shall come back to them in a moment, but my hon. Fr...
Tony Baldry | 471 c187 (Link to this contribution)
Following the point made by my right hon. Friend the Member for Wells (Mr. Heathcoat-Amory), whether...
Bernard Jenkin | 471 c188 (Link to this contribution)
Learco Chindamo committed the notorious murder of headmaster Philip Lawrence and the Government spen...
Dominic Grieve | 471 c188 (Link to this contribution)
The Government were foolish to sign up to the relevant directive without scrutinising it properly—an...
Lord Deben | 471 c188 (Link to this contribution)
Does my hon. Friend accept that the House could do itself more justice if the Government allocated s...
Dominic Grieve | 471 c188 (Link to this contribution)
I agree with my right hon. Friend. My experience of the Chamber is that, if one bothers to come in a...
Baroness Smith of Malvern | 471 c184 (Link to this contribution)
I will—those on the Opposition Front Bench are making free despite their ability to make speeches la...
Lord Garnier | 471 c184 (Link to this contribution)
Will the Minister give way?
Baroness Smith of Malvern | 471 c184-5 (Link to this contribution)
As I have spent some time explaining, the chances that any direct financial consequences would arise...
Lord Garnier | 471 c184 (Link to this contribution)
I am deeply grateful to the Home Secretary for allowing me to intervene. There is not a great deal o...
Dominic Grieve | 471 c187 (Link to this contribution)
My right hon. Friend makes a good point. The fact is that the Government lost out in the negotiating...
Dominic Grieve | 471 c185-6 (Link to this contribution)
I beg to move amendment (a), to leave out from ““House”” to end, and to add instead thereof:"““disap...
Keith Vaz | 471 c186 (Link to this contribution)
Will the hon. Gentleman give way?
Dominic Grieve | 471 c186 (Link to this contribution)
In a moment. I can tell the Home Secretary that I believe fully in co-operation between European sta...
David Heathcoat-Amory | 471 c194 (Link to this contribution)
I am grateful to my hon. Friend. As he will know, on the European arrest warrant this country keeps ...
James Clappison | 471 c193-4 (Link to this contribution)
My hon. Friend has been very generous.
Is it not the case that, as far as this country is concerned...
James Clappison | 471 c193 (Link to this contribution)
Will my hon. Friend give way?
Dominic Grieve | 471 c193 (Link to this contribution)
I will, but then I must make progress.
David Heathcoat-Amory | 471 c194 (Link to this contribution)
Will my hon. Friend give way?
Dominic Grieve | 471 c194 (Link to this contribution)
I will, for the last time.
Speaker | 471 c194 (Link to this contribution)
Order. Before the hon. Member for Beaconsfield (Mr. Grieve) replies, may I point out that interventi...
Dominic Grieve | 471 c194 (Link to this contribution)
My hon. Friend the Member for Hertsmere (Mr. Clappison) is absolutely right. As I have said, the iro...
Dominic Grieve | 471 c193 (Link to this contribution)
I have listened carefully to what the hon. Gentleman has said, but I must tell him that the arrival ...
Keith Vaz | 471 c196 (Link to this contribution)
I have enormous respect for the hon. Gentleman and his views, but he must understand that although w...
Bernard Jenkin | 471 c196-7 (Link to this contribution)
The right hon. Gentleman may recall giving evidence to the European Reform Forum on the question of ...
Keith Vaz | 471 c197 (Link to this contribution)
I remember giving evidence to the hon. Gentleman's forum with great pleasure. Nothing that I have sa...
Gwyneth Dunwoody | 471 c197 (Link to this contribution)
Has my right hon. Friend ever visited the state of Cameroon, two thirds of which is French-speaking ...
Keith Vaz | 471 c197 (Link to this contribution)
Only someone with the distinguished experience and ability of my hon. Friend could suggest that the ...
Bernard Jenkin | 471 c197 (Link to this contribution)
The right hon. Gentleman says that he is in favour of increased co-operation. We are in favour of co...
Keith Vaz | 471 c197 (Link to this contribution)
If the hon. Gentleman had stopped at the word ““co-operation”” and not gone on to ““coercion””, he w...
Dominic Grieve | 471 c194-5 (Link to this contribution)
My right hon. Friend is absolutely right: there is plainly the potential for it to be undermined by ...
Keith Vaz | 471 c195-6 (Link to this contribution)
It is always a pleasure to follow the hon. Member for Beaconsfield (Mr. Grieve), who has won many aw...
Baroness Smith of Malvern | 471 c176 (Link to this contribution)
The hon. Gentleman has managed to rise above the froth and make an important point.
Dominic Grieve | 471 c189 (Link to this contribution)
My right hon. Friend is right and I shall deal with that point towards the end of remarks.
Let me c...
Patricia Hewitt | 471 c217 (Link to this contribution)
The right hon. Gentleman is being very generous. He is developing an argument, as did his Front-Benc...
Chris Huhne | 471 c201 (Link to this contribution)
The hon. Gentleman is wrong to say that the underlying principles are exactly the same. First, the E...
Baroness Smith of Malvern | 471 c182 (Link to this contribution)
Previously, the very fact that certain criminal offences can be recognised throughout the EU has bee...
James Clappison | 471 c178 (Link to this contribution)
The Home Secretary is being generous in giving way. May I take her back to the opt-in and its value?...
Ken Purchase | 471 c189 (Link to this contribution)
A good negotiating stance.
Baroness Smith of Malvern | 471 c179 (Link to this contribution)
The hon. Gentleman is referring to circumstances in which the UK decides not to opt in to a measure ...
Dominic Grieve | 471 c191 (Link to this contribution)
I shall come on to the European arrest warrant later. The right hon. Gentleman sometimes leaps up li...
Baroness Smith of Malvern | 471 c184 (Link to this contribution)
I would have hoped that any Government had negotiated hard in Britain's interest. I would have hoped...
David Heathcoat-Amory | 471 c187 (Link to this contribution)
My hon. Friend makes the important point that the Government did not want these provisions. I have a...
William Cash | 471 c196 (Link to this contribution)
Many people would agree that a good idea lies behind international co-operation, but why would the r...
Chris Huhne | 471 c206 (Link to this contribution)
I am very grateful to my hon. Friend for that intervention. I simply reiterate that many of the unfo...
David Heathcoat-Amory | 471 c215 (Link to this contribution)
I entirely agree with the hon. Gentleman. The Commission has a monopoly of initiative in the field. ...
Lord Deben | 471 c219-20 (Link to this contribution)
I am concerned to find myself supporting some of what the Government have said, because their record...
Notes
Daily Part printing error - Official Report, 29 January 2008: Col. 232, Division No. 59, under the Ayes insert: Blunkett, rh Mr. David.
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