Climate Change Bill (HL). Lords Committee stage fifth day. Clauses 28 to 35 agreed to. Clause 36 under consideration. Part 2 of 2 records.
Climate Change Bill [HL]
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Debate on bills on Monday, 14 January 2008,
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Reference
697 c1139-72 
Session
2007-08
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Committee stage
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Climate Change Bill (HL). (Explanatory Notes HL Bill 9-EN published).
Wednesday, 14 November 2007
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House of Lords
Wednesday, 14 November 2007
Bills
House of Lords
Proceeding contributions
Viscount Montgomery of Alamein | 697 c1149 (Link to this contribution)
The noble Baroness, Lady Billingham, has made a very serious point and this may be the first amendme...
Lord Taylor of Holbeach | 697 c1147-8 (Link to this contribution)
I am grateful for that response from the Minister, which is very satisfactory. I hope that we can lo...
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Baroness Billingham | 697 c1148-9 (Link to this contribution)
moved Amendment No. 161:
161: Clause 30, page 15, line 39, at end insert—
““( ) advise the authori...
Baroness Morgan of Drefelin | 697 c1147 (Link to this contribution)
To be fair, this is an interesting amendment. When we looked at the analysis of the amendments, we t...
Lord Redesdale | 697 c1146-7 (Link to this contribution)
I speak to Amendments Nos. 159 and 160, which are tabled in my name. The noble Lord, Lord Taylor, ha...
Lord Taylor of Holbeach | 697 c1145-6 (Link to this contribution)
moved Amendment No. 158A:
158A: Clause 28, page 15, line 13, leave out ““30th June”” and insert ““...
Lord Taylor of Holbeach | 697 c1145 (Link to this contribution)
I knew that we had taken our time for a purpose, which was to give the Minister a chance to prepare ...
Lord Rooker | 697 c1145 (Link to this contribution)
I accept that. If I have misunderstood the noble Lord, I apologise. I realise that the Committee see...
Lord Crickhowell | 697 c1144 (Link to this contribution)
I do not think that Clause 48 entirely meets the point that was made in this debate. That clause sta...
Lord Rooker | 697 c1144 (Link to this contribution)
At the risk of embarrassing the noble Lord further—not that he should be embarrassed—I support what ...
Lord Crickhowell | 697 c1141-2 (Link to this contribution)
Not for the first time the structure of the Bill has got us into a bit of a tangle: an amendment has...
Lord Puttnam | 697 c1143 (Link to this contribution)
I support the principle behind this amendment. It is particularly useful to see the noble Lord, Lord...
Earl of Selborne | 697 c1143 (Link to this contribution)
Amendment No. 183B brings us to Part 4 of the Bill. We are discussing adaptation slightly out of con...
Lord Redesdale | 697 c1143-4 (Link to this contribution)
I apologise for being a couple of minutes late. I want to raise, from Amendment No. 183B, the import...
Lord Teverson | 697 c1139-40 (Link to this contribution)
I shall speak to Amendment No. 183B. We debated the role of the climate change committee at some len...
Baroness Young of Old Scone | 697 c1140-1 (Link to this contribution)
I support Amendment No. 183B, which is tabled also in my name. The previous two contributors have al...
Lord Taylor of Holbeach | 697 c1152 (Link to this contribution)
Perhaps I may speak again as my contribution has been widely attacked. There are specific instances ...
Earl of Caithness | 697 c1152-3 (Link to this contribution)
The noble Baroness, Lady Billingham, is very eloquent; she was very eloquent in committee and she ha...
Lord Taylor of Holbeach | 697 c1150 (Link to this contribution)
What is it about an issue like this that makes normally eminently sensible people lose all reason? I...
Baroness Greengross | 697 c1149-50 (Link to this contribution)
I support the noble Baroness, Lady Billingham, on this important amendment. She and others in the pa...
Lord Lyell | 697 c1150-1 (Link to this contribution)
I am not sure I follow the noble Baroness as I do not know where she lives. On my left we are about ...
Baroness Miller of Chilthorne Domer | 697 c1150 (Link to this contribution)
I want to question the noble Lord a little on this. I would agree with him about days gone by—around...
Lord Puttnam | 697 c1151 (Link to this contribution)
Is this a reserved or devolved issue?
Lord Rogan | 697 c1151 (Link to this contribution)
In Ulster, we do not mind getting up in the early hours, in the darkness, if it helps the greater go...
Lord Whitty | 697 c1151-2 (Link to this contribution)
It is not so long ago that I had some responsibility in this House for road safety and then for agri...
Lord Woolmer of Leeds | 697 c1151 (Link to this contribution)
I rise only briefly to remark on the reasons given by the noble Lord, Lord Taylor, for resisting the...
Baroness Miller of Chilthorne Domer | 697 c1170 (Link to this contribution)
I am grateful to the Minister for giving a full reply, even at this time of night. It is an importan...
Lord Crickhowell | 697 c1168 (Link to this contribution)
I will be very brief. The noble Lord, Lord Woolmer of Leeds, has rendered the Committee a very consi...
Baroness Morgan of Drefelin | 697 c1168-70 (Link to this contribution)
I was asked whether the Government was going to be brave. It would be a brave Whip in the House of L...
Baroness Miller of Chilthorne Domer | 697 c1164-6 (Link to this contribution)
moved Amendment No. 165:
165: Clause 36, page 18, line 1, after ““activities”” insert ““including ...
Lord Woolmer of Leeds | 697 c1166-8 (Link to this contribution)
The noble Baroness, Lady Miller, rightly anticipated that I might rise to take a somewhat different ...
Lord Rooker | 697 c1164 (Link to this contribution)
I honestly was not at all irritated. I suppose the penny was dropping when I listened to the speech....
Earl Cathcart | 697 c1164 (Link to this contribution)
That was quite a useful amendment and discussion. We are trying to get a single UK trading scheme, r...
Baroness Miller of Chilthorne Domer | 697 c1171-2 (Link to this contribution)
I beg leave to withdraw the amendment.
Amendment, by leave, withdrawn.
Lord Crickhowell | 697 c1163-4 (Link to this contribution)
I do not want to delay the Committee at a time when the Captain of the Gentlemen at Arms is beginnin...
Lord Rooker | 697 c1172 (Link to this contribution)
I beg to move that the House do now resume.
Moved accordingly, and, on Question, Motion agreed to.
Earl of Caithness | 697 c1157 (Link to this contribution)
The Minister said something important just then. He will recall that I had a little go at him before...
Lord Rooker | 697 c1157 (Link to this contribution)
I do not have the figures in great detail in front of me, but it has to be funded because this is ne...
Lord Rooker | 697 c1157 (Link to this contribution)
No, I regret that I have not, except that I imagine that this is new money—Defra certainly has no mo...
Earl Cathcart | 697 c1158 (Link to this contribution)
I thank the Minister for clarifying the situation—I think. I was comforted when he said that the pri...
Earl of Caithness | 697 c1157-8 (Link to this contribution)
It might be helpful if the Minister could write to me on how much money is allocated from within its...
Lord Taylor of Holbeach | 697 c1158-9 (Link to this contribution)
This whole section empowers the national authorities to give binding instructions to the Committee o...
Lord Teverson | 697 c1159 (Link to this contribution)
I welcome the Question in that it gives the Minister the opportunity to explain the circumstances in...
Lord Taylor of Holbeach | 697 c1160 (Link to this contribution)
I thank the noble Lord for that explanation.
Clause 34 agreed to.
Clause 35 agreed to.
Clause 36 ...
Earl Cathcart | 697 c1160-1 (Link to this contribution)
moved Amendment No. 164A:
164A: Clause 36, page 17, line 34, leave out ““relevant national authori...
Lord Teverson | 697 c1161 (Link to this contribution)
We will come on to this in a later amendments. Although from these Benches we welcome devolution in ...
Lord Dixon-Smith | 697 c1161 (Link to this contribution)
I would like to argue in favour of this amendment. It seems to me that we are asking for trouble. Yo...
Lord Rooker | 697 c1161-2 (Link to this contribution)
With respect, I do not think the drafters of the amendment have fully appreciated its practical sign...
Lord Dixon-Smith | 697 c1163 (Link to this contribution)
What the Minister is saying is that we are damned if we do and damned if we do not, and I am not sur...
Lord Rooker | 697 c1163 (Link to this contribution)
I freely admit that I have not explained because we are trying to address two different issues here....
Lord Crickhowell | 697 c1157 (Link to this contribution)
If I may follow that helpful statement, I am encouraged that the original budget estimates have been...
Lord Rooker | 697 c1156-7 (Link to this contribution)
In the interests of getting to the nuts and bolts of this, I will give what financial information I ...
Earl Cathcart | 697 c1156 (Link to this contribution)
moved Amendment No. 164:
164: Clause 31, page 16, line 14, at end insert—
““( ) Each national auth...
Baroness Morgan of Drefelin | 697 c1155 (Link to this contribution)
I hope that my contribution will not be too boring in comparison to the lively and enjoyable debate ...
Earl Cathcart | 697 c1154-5 (Link to this contribution)
moved Amendment No. 161A:
161A: Clause 31, page 16, line 11, at end insert ““including land or any...
Baroness Billingham | 697 c1154 (Link to this contribution)
I thank all noble Lords for taking part in this debate. It certainly livened everybody up. Noble Lor...
Lord Rooker | 697 c1153-4 (Link to this contribution)
I was hoping that this would continue a little while and that there would be no time for me. I have ...
Earl of Caithness | 697 c1153 (Link to this contribution)
I said that we shall all have to take the pain and there will be an awful lot of pain in a wide vari...
Viscount Montgomery of Alamein | 697 c1153 (Link to this contribution)
The noble Earl, Lord Caithness, talks about the inconvenience for the north of Scotland. Of course h...
Lord Taylor of Holbeach | 697 c1139 (Link to this contribution)
moved Amendment No. 158:
158: Clause 28, page 15, line 11, at end insert—
““( ) The Committee’s re...
Lord Rooker | 697 c1170-1 (Link to this contribution)
For the convenience of the Committee and being conscious of the time, I revert back to our previous ...
Lord Dixon-Smith | 697 c1159 (Link to this contribution)
The Question gives me the chance to ask a rather stupid question: when is a national authority not a...
Earl Cathcart | 697 c1155 (Link to this contribution)
I thank the Minister for clarifying the situation and I beg leave to withdraw the amendment.
Amendm...
Lord Rooker | 697 c1158 (Link to this contribution)
As I said, I will try to come back on this but I am not promising to write to the noble Earl, Lord C...
Lord Rooker | 697 c1159-60 (Link to this contribution)
Clause 67 is perfectly straightforward. We are dealing with the United Kingdom body here; with the f...
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