Climate Change Bill (HL). Lords Committee stage second day. Clause 4 under consideration. Part 2 of 3 records.
Climate Change Bill [HL]
Committee of the Whole House (HL)
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Debate on bills on Monday, 17 December 2007,
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Type
Parliamentary proceeding
Reference
697 c513-44 
Session
2007-08
Legislative stage
Committee stage
Chamber / Committee
House of Lords chamber
Climate Change Bill (HL). (Explanatory Notes HL Bill 9-EN published).
Wednesday, 14 November 2007
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House of Lords
Wednesday, 14 November 2007
Bills
House of Lords
Proceeding contributions
Lord Teverson | 697 c528 (Link to this contribution)
I thank the noble Lord for that intervention and I agree with much of what he says. I am not fully r...
Lord Oxburgh | 697 c528-9 (Link to this contribution)
I endorse much of what my noble friends Lord Turner, Lady Young and Lord Whitty said, as well as som...
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Lord Teverson | 697 c527-8 (Link to this contribution)
I did indeed say that it would be in extremis, but the Bill does allow that. It is very unlikely tha...
Lord Crickhowell | 697 c528 (Link to this contribution)
I am entirely of the view that we need to have a very strict internal limit. The question is how bes...
Earl Cathcart | 697 c529 (Link to this contribution)
I thank the noble Lord for that intervention. I had thought that the idea was to confine the 2050 ta...
Lord Crickhowell | 697 c529 (Link to this contribution)
I am not an expert.
Earl Cathcart | 697 c529 (Link to this contribution)
Before we started to debate these amendments, I was going to say that the amendments from the Libera...
Lord Teverson | 697 c529 (Link to this contribution)
The Liberal Democrat Benches have been absolutely consistent. We are not in any way saying that ther...
Earl Cathcart | 697 c529-31 (Link to this contribution)
Well, my noble friend is certainly more of an expert than I am. The committee’s members are the expe...
Lord Campbell-Savours | 697 c531 (Link to this contribution)
The noble Lord is talking about a mechanism for tapering. Surely the market will determine that.
Lord Crickhowell | 697 c523 (Link to this contribution)
If I gave the impression that I did not think it mattered, that was not what I intended to say. Of c...
Lord Puttnam | 697 c523 (Link to this contribution)
I thank the noble Lord. I did not for one moment think that he did think that, but I felt it necessa...
Lord Turner of Ecchinswell | 697 c524 (Link to this contribution)
My comments are in sympathy with those put forward by the noble Lord, Lord Crickhowell. This is a ve...
Baroness Northover | 697 c525 (Link to this contribution)
I endorse the principle of the amendments and what was said by the noble Lords, Lord Puttnam and Lor...
Lord Whitty | 697 c525-6 (Link to this contribution)
The noble Lord, Lord Turner, pre-empted aspects of what I was about to say. The noble Lord, Lord Cri...
Baroness Young of Old Scone | 697 c526 (Link to this contribution)
The noble Lord, Lord Turner, admirably expressed what I was going to say, but I want to add one more...
Lord Teverson | 697 c526 (Link to this contribution)
I was interested to hear interviews with the Secretary of State in Bali at the weekend because he en...
Lord Campbell-Savours | 697 c527 (Link to this contribution)
Does the noble Lord not accept that Parliament would not allow that? With annual reporting to Parlia...
Lord Teverson | 697 c527 (Link to this contribution)
Can the noble Lord please repeat that?
Lord Campbell-Savours | 697 c527 (Link to this contribution)
What the noble Lord is saying is inconceivable because the annual debate in Parliament, discussions ...
Lord Redesdale | 697 c518 (Link to this contribution)
As I understand it, companies could deal with their emissions by buying in from other people. There ...
Lord Rooker | 697 c518-9 (Link to this contribution)
That is precisely the case and the amendments would not take account of it.
I return to the amendme...
Lord Oxburgh | 697 c517 (Link to this contribution)
I am not entirely sure what the appropriate mechanism is to do what we are all trying to do, which i...
Lord Rooker | 697 c517-8 (Link to this contribution)
I have no complaint about the decoupling. As the noble Lord, Lord Taylor, said, the Conservatives di...
Baroness Byford | 697 c516-7 (Link to this contribution)
I support the amendment of my noble friend Lord Taylor. I am equally concerned that targets may not ...
Lord Taylor of Holbeach | 697 c517 (Link to this contribution)
I rise to support the comments of the noble Lord, Lord Woolmer. Indeed, you could argue that it is i...
Lord Crickhowell | 697 c521-2 (Link to this contribution)
In light of the extraordinary complexity of the noble Baroness’s introduction to the amendments, nob...
Lord Puttnam | 697 c522-3 (Link to this contribution)
I endorse very much the principle lying behind the noble Baroness’s amendments, particularly Amendme...
Lord Taylor of Holbeach | 697 c519 (Link to this contribution)
I welcome the opportunity to discuss in further detail how we might come to a form of words which wo...
Baroness Miller of Chilthorne Domer | 697 c519-21 (Link to this contribution)
moved Amendment No. 25:
25: Clause 4, page 3, line 8, at end insert ““, and
(c) to ensure that the...
Lord Dixon-Smith | 697 c516 (Link to this contribution)
Following on from that, I become quite concerned that we are rather over-optimistic about what this ...
Lord Taylor of Holbeach | 697 c513-4 (Link to this contribution)
moved Amendment No. 23:
23: Clause 4, page 3, line 6, after ““budget””),”” insert—
““( ) to set wi...
Lord Woolmer of Leeds | 697 c514-5 (Link to this contribution)
Taking Amendments Nos. 23 and 24 of the noble Lord, Lord Taylor, together gives the impression that ...
Lord Redesdale | 697 c515-6 (Link to this contribution)
We have covered this ground before. The rolling targets feed into the very nature of the targets. We...
Lord Campbell-Savours | 697 c516 (Link to this contribution)
I spent much of last night reading the report of the Joint Committee and have listened studiously to...
Lord Rooker | 697 c544 (Link to this contribution)
I beg to move that the House do now resume. In doing so perhaps I may suggest that the Committee sta...
Lord Campbell-Savours | 697 c539-40 (Link to this contribution)
I want to intervene briefly. As I said before, I was not fortunate enough to be a member of the Join...
Lord Teverson | 697 c540 (Link to this contribution)
I put my name to the amendment because I also felt that there needed to be a positive outcome if bud...
Lord Crickhowell | 697 c543-4 (Link to this contribution)
I find that a curious and contradictory response. The noble Lord tempts me to go back to the debate ...
Lord Davies of Oldham | 697 c543 (Link to this contribution)
My noble friend may be underestimating the significance and power of the committee. While it is an a...
Lord Campbell-Savours | 697 c543 (Link to this contribution)
I cannot understand why the Government are resisting this. Under the Bill the committee has only an ...
Lord Davies of Oldham | 697 c542-3 (Link to this contribution)
My noble friend indicated that he wants to see the Bill and the policy driven forward. We accept the...
Lord Davies of Oldham | 697 c541-2 (Link to this contribution)
I am grateful to all noble Lords who have spoken in this debate. I suffer from the same disadvantage...
Duke of Montrose | 697 c541 (Link to this contribution)
I add my support for my noble friend’s amendment. The Minister said that the Government are committe...
Baroness Young of Old Scone | 697 c540-1 (Link to this contribution)
I, too, support the principle of a compliance mechanism. I am very grateful to the noble Lord, Lord ...
Earl Cathcart | 697 c531 (Link to this contribution)
It may well, but the climate change committee could decide on the mechanism for tapering in carbon t...
Earl of Caithness | 697 c539 (Link to this contribution)
I support my noble friend on this amendment. I was saddened by the Government’s response to the Join...
Lord Rooker | 697 c535 (Link to this contribution)
That is a classic case of hard cop/soft cop and I am the victim.
Lord Crickhowell | 697 c536-9 (Link to this contribution)
moved Amendment No. 26:
26: Clause 4, page 3, line 8, at end insert—
““( ) In the event of the net...
Baroness Miller of Chilthorne Domer | 697 c536 (Link to this contribution)
I am immensely grateful to all noble Lords who have spoken, because they have eloquently expressed a...
Lord Puttnam | 697 c534 (Link to this contribution)
On this question of clarity, because I am a rather sad person, I looked up the Oxford English Dictio...
Lord Rooker | 697 c531-4 (Link to this contribution)
We have had an interesting debate, although there is something very British about noble Lords queuin...
Lord Crickhowell | 697 c535 (Link to this contribution)
I had not intended to intervene again, but I think that the recommendation of the noble Lord, Lord P...
Lord Rooker | 697 c534-5 (Link to this contribution)
That is a question to which, in all honesty, I should be able to say yes, but I cannot do that here ...
Baroness Byford | 697 c542 (Link to this contribution)
I have followed the debate very carefully and I was not intending to speak. However, unless I misund...
Earl of Caithness | 697 c535-6 (Link to this contribution)
I was grateful for what the Minister said. This is a fearfully complicated, but essential, part of t...
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