Parliamentary search - National Lottery Bill

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Parliamentary proceeding

Reference

435 c159-226

Session

2005-06

Department

Department for Culture, Media and Sport

Legislative stage

Second reading

Procedure

Programme motions
Money resolutions

Chamber / Committee

House of Commons chamber

National Lottery Bill. Explanatory Notes Bill 6-EN also published.
Tuesday, 24 May 2005
Bills
House of Commons

National Lottery. Government response to the Culture Media and Sport Select Committee fifth report of session 2003/04 (HC 196).
Tuesday, 25 May 2004
Command papers
House of Commons

National Lottery reform. Culture Media and Sport Select Committee fifth report in 2 volumes with proceedings, evidence (HC 196 i-iv not printed separately) and appendices.
Tuesday, 9 March 2004
Parliamentary committees
House of Commons

Proceeding contributions

Robert Key | 435 c163 (Link to this contribution) The Minister has been generous in giving way but he has reached a crucial point and I hope that we w...

Richard Caborn | 435 c162-3 (Link to this contribution) Again, if my hon. Friend will allow me to progress through the speech, I shall try to answer the que...

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Tony Wright | 435 c162 (Link to this contribution) People feel that there should be a connection between the amount of money that areas put into the lo...

Pete Wishart | 435 c161 (Link to this contribution) Will the Minister give way?

Richard Caborn | 435 c161 (Link to this contribution) Just give me 30 seconds. I am sure that on 6 July, when we come back from Singapore with the Olympi...

Richard Caborn | 435 c161 (Link to this contribution) If hon. Members would allow me to get through more than three paragraphs of my speech I will probabl...

Philip Davies | 435 c162 (Link to this contribution) Does the Minister agree that far too often awards given from the national lottery money have been gi...

Richard Caborn | 435 c162 (Link to this contribution) My strong advice to the hon. Gentleman is to think very carefully about which Division Lobby he goes...

Pete Wishart | 435 c161 (Link to this contribution) Absolutely—I wish London great success when it comes to the bid in July. Nevertheless, can the Minis...

Richard Caborn | 435 c161-2 (Link to this contribution) The answer is yes. There will be displacement in terms of the Olympic draw. That has already been de...

David Drew | 435 c160 (Link to this contribution) I agree with my right hon. Friend that we must get the money to where it will be spent best, but som...

Richard Caborn | 435 c160 (Link to this contribution) That was an excellent idea, and the specially built greenhouses in which the plants to fill the Eden...

John Bercow | 435 c160-1 (Link to this contribution) Like many Members, I am concerned about the transparency of the process. With regard to clause 14(2)...

Richard Caborn | 435 c160 (Link to this contribution) I recognise that worry, which I shall address later in my speech. A related concern is the question ...

Speaker | 435 c159 (Link to this contribution) I inform the House that I have selected the amendment in the name of the Leader of the Opposition.

Richard Caborn | 435 c159-60 (Link to this contribution) I beg to move, That the Bill be now read a Second time. It is 10 years since the national lottery w...

Lord Foster of Bath | 435 c160 (Link to this contribution) Does the Minister agree that the organisers of the Eden project had a phenomenally good idea when th...

Ronnie Campbell | 435 c165 (Link to this contribution) The Minister is being very generous in giving way. The lifeboat services that protect our coasts rec...

Richard Caborn | 435 c165 (Link to this contribution) Absolutely. [Interruption.] As my hon. Friend will learn, unfortunately we get a bit of stupidity fr...

Richard Caborn | 435 c164-5 (Link to this contribution) Absolutely, I do not disagree with that at all—what the hon. Lady has said is sensible. A balance mu...

Lord Dodds of Duncairn | 435 c165 (Link to this contribution) On clause 7, I welcome the fact that devolved Administrations in Scotland, Wales and Northern Irelan...

Richard Caborn | 435 c165 (Link to this contribution) Such moneys will be broadly in line with current expenditure, but we are trying to change the way in...

Sian C James | 435 c165 (Link to this contribution) Does the Minister agree that the Bill will give Wales and Scotland greater powers to decide where an...

Richard Caborn | 435 c163 (Link to this contribution) With all due respect, there is a difference between £15 million and £3.5 billion. There must be bala...

Lord Foster of Bath | 435 c163 (Link to this contribution) Can the Minister tell the House whether he believes that the current balances are acceptable or too ...

Richard Caborn | 435 c163-4 (Link to this contribution) When the Public Accounts Committee produces its report, we will examine that. As I have indicated, t...

Baroness May of Maidenhead | 435 c164 (Link to this contribution) Does the Minister accept that when dealing with large-scale heritage projects, which will amount to ...

Richard Caborn | 435 c165-6 (Link to this contribution) I cannot answer that question, directly but I will take note of it. [Interruption.] I note as I look...

John Bercow | 435 c166 (Link to this contribution) : The right hon. Gentleman cantered on to clause 15 and I was gravely disappointed, as I have always...

Richard Caborn | 435 c166 (Link to this contribution) I am now looking at the explanatory notes, which I am sure the hon. Gentleman has read, and I believ...

Boris Johnson | 435 c166-7 (Link to this contribution) Will the Minister explain in more detail how the principle of additionality is supposed to work in r...

Richard Caborn | 435 c167 (Link to this contribution) During the consultation on what the populace wanted, we discovered that they viewed health, educatio...

Julie Kirkbride | 435 c167 (Link to this contribution) Does the Minister admit, following what he has just said, that the Government’s proposals breach the...

Richard Caborn | 435 c167-8 (Link to this contribution) The Opposition have their views and will want to canter around the course on the basis of them. Let ...

Chris Bryant | 435 c168 (Link to this contribution) I should like to try and push my hon. Friend the Minister in a different direction. Will he consider...

Richard Caborn | 435 c168 (Link to this contribution) There is some truth in what my hon. Friend says, but I repeat that these matters were part of the wi...

Robert Key | 435 c168 (Link to this contribution) Will the Minister give way?

Baroness May of Maidenhead | 435 c173-4 (Link to this contribution) Not only is it bizarre, it is unacceptable. It is particularly bizarre because the Minister needs to...

Lord Foster of Bath | 435 c173 (Link to this contribution) Later tonight, we shall debate a programme motion stating that deliberations in Committee must finis...

Baroness May of Maidenhead | 435 c172-3 (Link to this contribution) I beg to move, to leave out from ““That”” to the end of the Question, and to add instead thereof:"““...

Richard Caborn | 435 c170-2 (Link to this contribution) Absolutely. The problem is not new. The distribution of regional structural funds from the European ...

Wayne David | 435 c170 (Link to this contribution) Will my right hon. Friend confirm that at present distributors have a perverse incentive to hold on ...

Richard Caborn | 435 c170 (Link to this contribution) What I said was that the allocation laid down in the original Act means that the money goes to the t...

Lord Foster of Bath | 435 c169-70 (Link to this contribution) : If, as the Bill would allow, the Government were to redistribute the interest on balances in a dif...

Richard Caborn | 435 c169 (Link to this contribution) I disagree with the hon. Gentleman, although my colleagues may well have argued in the way that he d...

Richard Caborn | 435 c168 (Link to this contribution) I will, but this is the last time, as I have been speaking for more than 30 minutes already.

Baroness May of Maidenhead | 435 c176 (Link to this contribution) The Minister keeps saying that things have moved on. His argument is that the Government can now tak...

Richard Caborn | 435 c176 (Link to this contribution) Things have moved on.

Baroness May of Maidenhead | 435 c175 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to the hon. Gentleman. I consider the amendment to be both reasoned and reasonable. We...

Baroness May of Maidenhead | 435 c175-6 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman refers to the big architectural and heritage projects, and of course not every co...

Chris Bryant | 435 c175 (Link to this contribution) I understand the right hon. Lady’s argument, but from the viewpoint of a constituency that is very d...

Baroness May of Maidenhead | 435 c174 (Link to this contribution) If the money is given to charitable causes that choose to use it for sports facilities, whether or n...

Angela C Smith | 435 c174 (Link to this contribution) Will the right hon. Lady tell me the difference between lottery money given to charitable groups pro...

Baroness May of Maidenhead | 435 c175 (Link to this contribution) It is no good the Minister saying that a great benefit of the Bill is that it will reduce bureaucrac...

Richard Caborn | 435 c175 (Link to this contribution) I give a guarantee that between 60 and 70 per cent. of the Big Lottery Fund’s income will go to comm...

Richard Caborn | 435 c176 (Link to this contribution) I remind the hon. Lady that there have been two consultations. A number of opinion polls have been c...

Baroness May of Maidenhead | 435 c178-9 (Link to this contribution) The point that I was making was a simple one. If the Minister would listen to the whole argument, he...

Martin Horwood | 435 c177 (Link to this contribution) Will the right hon. Lady give way?

Baroness May of Maidenhead | 435 c177 (Link to this contribution) I was going to mention that. During the election, we put forward a proposal to give people a much gr...

Pete Wishart | 435 c177 (Link to this contribution) : Opinion polls are being cited by the Front Benches, but we have found that 77 per cent. of respond...

Baroness May of Maidenhead | 435 c176-7 (Link to this contribution) I doubt whether the consultations gave full support to exactly what is in the Bill. As for the Big L...

Richard Caborn | 435 c178 (Link to this contribution) May I make clear what is actually in the Bill? Balances will not be moved from one good cause to ano...

Baroness May of Maidenhead | 435 c177-8 (Link to this contribution) Indeed; there has been such a power throughout the lottery’s existence. At the beginning, it was tho...

Martin Horwood | 435 c177 (Link to this contribution) Does the hon. Lady remember that the clause that her party put into the 1993 Act provided that:"““A ...

Baroness May of Maidenhead | 435 c177 (Link to this contribution) If the hon. Gentleman will let me make a little more progress, I will give way to him. The Big Lott...

Wayne David | 435 c179-82 (Link to this contribution) When the national lottery was established by Act of Parliament in October 1993 and then brought into...

Lord Foster of Bath | 435 c182 (Link to this contribution) I am delighted to follow the hon. Member for Caerphilly (Mr. David). The House owes him a great debt...

Lord Foster of Bath | 435 c182-5 (Link to this contribution) Notwithstanding the heckling that I am getting from the Minister, I echo many of the points made by ...

Richard Caborn | 435 c182 (Link to this contribution) It is a Liberal-Tory alliance.

Lord Foster of Bath | 435 c185-9 (Link to this contribution) Well, the House will have heard absolute assurances from the Minister that he will do nothing. Wheth...

Lord Swire | 435 c185 (Link to this contribution) Is the hon. Gentleman as intrigued as I am that 60 or 70 per cent. of the BLF funds are going to tha...

Nadine Dorries | 435 c190-1 (Link to this contribution) The Government claim that the proposals outlined in the Bill will simplify the rules and procedures ...

Angela C Smith | 435 c189-90 (Link to this contribution) As previous speakers have noted, this debate is taking place in the context of rising lottery sales—...

Nadine Dorries | 435 c192 (Link to this contribution) I thank my hon. Friend. There are many bizarre examples, which none of us would want to waste time q...

Philip Davies | 435 c191-2 (Link to this contribution) I agree wholeheartedly with what my hon. Friend is saying. I come back to the point that I made earl...

Lord Swire | 435 c216 (Link to this contribution) I am not allowing the Minister to get away with this. The fact is that Macmillan nurses are a charit...

James Purnell | 435 c216 (Link to this contribution) It is a health charity that spends money on cancer, which clearly confirms that the Opposition’s who...

Martin Horwood | 435 c216 (Link to this contribution) I have worked with Macmillan Cancer Relief, which is a charity. The percentage reserved for charitie...

James Purnell | 435 c216 (Link to this contribution) No, the priorities would be those for which the charity had applied and which the distributors decid...

James Purnell | 435 c217 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman started off by wishing us all the best with the Olympics decision on 6 July, and ...

Wayne David | 435 c217 (Link to this contribution) On the critical issue of members of the public being more involved in the decision-making process, w...

James Purnell | 435 c218 (Link to this contribution) Clearly, we must ensure that we consult the whole range of people and must not repeat the mistakes m...

James Purnell | 435 c215 (Link to this contribution) I notice that the hon. Gentleman is not putting out a press release, but if he does do so, I shall l...

Speaker | 435 c215 (Link to this contribution) Order. The hon. Gentleman must not make a speech on an intervention.

Charles Walker | 435 c215 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to the Under-Secretary for giving way because it gives me an opportunity to put the re...

James Purnell | 435 c214-5 (Link to this contribution) That is a good point. It we took the argument to its logical conclusion, we would never grant money ...

James Purnell | 435 c213-4 (Link to this contribution) I thank the hon. Member for East Devon (Mr. Swire) for his kind remarks at the beginning of his spee...

Lord Swire | 435 c216 (Link to this contribution) As a number of confusing statements are coming out surrounding the Bill. As far as I am aware, Macmi...

James Purnell | 435 c216 (Link to this contribution) Clearly, that is a matter for the usual channels, but the Whips have been perfectly clear that the a...

James Purnell | 435 c216 (Link to this contribution) Obviously, that can be examined in Committee. Our concern would be whether such a definition would r...

Martin Horwood | 435 c201-2 (Link to this contribution) There is an element of truth in that. However, the amount of money that goes to the top 500 charitie...

Philip Davies | 435 c201 (Link to this contribution) : I respect both the hard work that the hon. Gentleman has done to raise money for charity and his e...

Colin Breed | 435 c206-8 (Link to this contribution) I wish to make a fairly brief contribution on behalf of a number of my constituents who are in what ...

Madeleine Moon | 435 c202-6 (Link to this contribution) I share with the hon. Member for Cheltenham (Mr. Horwood) a background of working in Alzheimer’s dis...

Martin Horwood | 435 c201 (Link to this contribution) I beg forgiveness from the hon. Member for Islington, South and Finsbury (Ms Thornberry), who may ha...

Lord Swire | 435 c209-12 (Link to this contribution) I am glad to hear it. Well, I must say that seven years later that is still our theme. We are not ti...

David Heath | 435 c208 (Link to this contribution) I assure my hon. Friend that that problem affects not only those areas that are lucky enough to have...

Colin Breed | 435 c208 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend is right. I suspect that not only objective 1 areas but all rural areas and some othe...

Lord Swire | 435 c208-9 (Link to this contribution) I am pleased to wind up the debate for the Opposition this evening. I welcome the new Under-Secreta...

Richard Caborn | 435 c209 (Link to this contribution) I am.

Martin Horwood | 435 c197-8 (Link to this contribution) My background is in charity fundraising. I was the director of fundraising for the Alzheimer’s Socie...

James Brokenshire | 435 c195-7 (Link to this contribution) I think that we should concentrate on the lottery’s independence and give people back the power to d...

Martin Horwood | 435 c195 (Link to this contribution) I repeat my question to the hon. Member for Mid-Bedfordshire (Mrs. Dorries). Hon. Members cannot hav...

James Brokenshire | 435 c194-5 (Link to this contribution) There is a great deal of consensus across the House on the benefits that the lottery has offered to ...

Martin Horwood | 435 c199-200 (Link to this contribution) I fear that the hon. Gentleman is correct and the basis of the lottery might be undermined. It was s...

Emily Thornberry | 435 c200-1 (Link to this contribution) I am concerned about allegations about the lack of public confidence in the new management of the lo...

Graham Stuart | 435 c198-9 (Link to this contribution) I wonder whether you would agree with me that the New Opportunities Fund was an act of opportunism b...

Speaker | 435 c199 (Link to this contribution) Order. Before the hon. Member for Cheltenham (Mr. Horwood) responds, I say to the hon. Member for Be...

Speaker | 435 c201 (Link to this contribution) Order. If the hon. Gentleman would bear with me for a moment, I do not think that the hon. Member fo...

Martin Horwood | 435 c192 (Link to this contribution) Surely the independence proposed by the hon. Lady’s Front-Bench team would allow more of these grant...

Lord Swire | 435 c192 (Link to this contribution) I am most grateful to my hon. Friend for giving way. No doubt she was going to reply to that interve...

Nadine Dorries | 435 c192 (Link to this contribution) We would be adhering to the initial principles of lottery funding, which were arts, culture, heritag...

Nadine Dorries | 435 c192 (Link to this contribution) I shall conclude by saying that the way in which lottery funding is allocated should at the very lea...

Philip Dunne | 435 c192-3 (Link to this contribution) I am pleased to contribute to the debate on this important issue. It is important because in my cons...

Philip Dunne | 435 c193 (Link to this contribution) Perhaps the Minister can explain.

James Purnell | 435 c193 (Link to this contribution) It is on a national basis, I believe.

Philip Dunne | 435 c193-4 (Link to this contribution) I thank the Minister. In that case, it seems more likely that applications will have to be made to t...

Robert Key | 435 c168-9 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to the Minister, and want to help him. The most sensible thing that he has said is tha...

Lord Foster of Bath | 435 c175 (Link to this contribution) And a reasoned one.

Pete Wishart | 435 c216-7 (Link to this contribution) I accept the Minister’s point that a significant proportion of the population would like to see lott...

Lord Foster of Bath | 435 c215-6 (Link to this contribution) I, too, congratulate the Minister on his appointment. He has been given a pretty bad hand and is mak...

Wayne David | 435 c214 (Link to this contribution) Will my hon. Friend confirm that additionality has never been defined as something that is in contra...

Lord Foster of Bath | 435 c192 (Link to this contribution) Well written.

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