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I heard that the original Nocton proposal was for 7,000 cows. Once we reach 1,000, the principle is much the same—we are dealing with a big unit in which the animals are housed for almost the whole time. That is a different way of producing milk. I accept my hon....
Member
Glyn Davies (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contribution
Date
14 December 2010
Reference
520 c227WH
House
House of Commons

We are in danger of muddling two things, one of which is the size of the unit. Plenty of farmers have gradually crept up from seven cows to 70, from 70 to 170 and, in my family's case, from about 100 to 400. Is there some cut-off point, above which...
Member
Simon Hart (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contribution
Date
14 December 2010
Reference
520 c227WH
House
House of Commons

That is an extremely good point. The hon. Gentleman anticipated the argument that I was going to advance. There is a need for more research into intensification. In the United States, farms of 15,000 cows or more are not unknown, and the proportion of farms with more than 500 cows...
Member
William Bain (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contribution
Date
14 December 2010
Reference
520 c231WH
House
House of Commons

I should like to follow my hon. Friend the Member for Montgomeryshire (Glyn Davies) and say that my views on this issue are also mixed. If I look at the commercial situation and even the animal welfare situation, I do not think that there is a problem with the unit...
Member
Neil Parish (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contribution
Date
14 December 2010
Reference
520 c228-30WH
House
House of Commons

It is a pleasure to serve under your chairmanship for the first time, Mr Leigh, as it was under Mrs Riordan's. This has been an excellent debate. I congratulate the hon. and learned Member for Sleaford and North Hykeham (Stephen Phillips) on securing it. He spoke with great passion and...
Member
William Bain (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contribution
Date
14 December 2010
Reference
520 c230-1WH
House
House of Commons

That is another excellent point, and it is why we must move with extreme care and ensure that we get the best evidence on animal welfare and on the economic impact on small farmers. I hope that the Minister can give us further information in his closing remarks on any...
Member
William Bain (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contribution
Date
14 December 2010
Reference
520 c231-2WH
House
House of Commons

I congratulate my hon. and learned Friend the Member for Sleaford and North Hykeham (Stephen Phillips) on securing this debate, his measured introduction and balancing clear arguments on welfare and costs. May I also congratulate my hon. Friend the Member for Carmarthen West and South Pembrokeshire (Simon Hart), who brings...
Member
Roger Gale (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contribution
Date
14 December 2010
Reference
520 c222-3WH
House
House of Commons

I thank my hon. and learned Friend the Member for Sleaford and North Hykeham (Stephen Phillips) for obtaining this important debate. He could not have picked a more important time to do so, as we have heard. We are all aware that we are at a crucial stage with a...
Member
Lord Goldsmith of Richmond Park (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contribution
Date
14 December 2010
Reference
520 c224-6WH
House
House of Commons

My hon. Friend is concerned about 4,000 cows, but I wish to make it clear that the proposers of the development at Nocton originally put in an application for more than 6,000. If he is concerned about 4,000, it has been made clear that that will in due course become...
Member
Stephen Phillips (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contribution
Date
14 December 2010
Reference
520 c227WH
House
House of Commons

I am very grateful to have been granted this important debate on an issue that has not thus far spent too much time in the headlines, but which is fundamental to the way of life of many of my constituents. Today's attendance demonstrates the great interest that the farming community...
Member
Stephen Phillips (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contribution
Date
14 December 2010
Reference
520 c213-5WH
House
House of Commons

I am grateful to the Minister for that correction. At some point, we may need to have another debate about the scope of the ombudsman's jurisdiction and powers, but perhaps we can leave that to one side for the remainder of today's debate. I said at the outset that this...
Member
Stephen Phillips (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contribution
Date
14 December 2010
Reference
520 c217-9WH
House
House of Commons

My hon. Friend is correct. The real point is that the price pressure that has come down from the supermarkets, whether through intermediaries or those responsible for purchasing milk production, has been so great that many farmers have been driven out of business, and those who remain in business, however...
Member
Stephen Phillips (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contribution
Date
14 December 2010
Reference
520 c215-6WH
House
House of Commons

On my hon. and learned Friend's previous point, is he aware that a number of auctioneers across the UK are simply not taking bookings to sell milking cows until well into next year because there is such a backlog of farmers going out of business and trying to sell their...
Member
Simon Hart (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contribution
Date
14 December 2010
Reference
520 c216WH
House
House of Commons

Thank you, Mrs Riordan, for the opportunity to contribute to a debate that is close to my own interests. I thank my hon. and learned Friend the Member for Sleaford and North Hykeham (Stephen Phillips) for the way in which he introduced the debate and, in particular, his reference to...
Member
Glyn Davies (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contribution
Date
14 December 2010
Reference
520 c226WH
House
House of Commons

I agree. There is no greater expert on this subject than my hon. Friend. I want to return to welfare concerns. The hon. Member for Stoke-on-Trent South (Robert Flello) made an interesting intervention on whether dairy production would be encouraged to move from its traditional countryside location to brownfield sites....
Member
Simon Hart (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contribution
Date
14 December 2010
Reference
520 c221-2WH
House
House of Commons

My Lords, as a farmer, I take this opportunity to make a few remarks about food security. As the world population continues to increase, the reality is that global agricultural production will be hard pressed to keep up with the ever-rising global demand for food. The world population is anticipated...
Member
Lord Rotherwick (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contribution
Date
13 December 2010
Reference
723 c472-3
House
House of Lords

I readily understand that the idea of mega-dairies creates strong emotions, although I cannot talk about a specific example. I believe, however, that we should be led by the real evidence and the science, which is why DEFRA has commissioned a three-year study at the Scottish agricultural colleges of the issues surrounding mega-dairies. A separate study of the directly related subject of the genetics of high-yielding cows is also taking place. I promise the House that if the outcomes of those studies—we should have the first results towards the end of next year—precipitate the need for action, action will be taken.
Answered by
James Paice (Conservative)
Answering body
Department for Environment, Food and Rural Affairs
Type
Oral answer to question
Date
9 December 2010
Reference
520 c511-2
House
House of Commons

I cannot, because of the time. Top universities have long complained that, even with the Government's contribution and the fees, they were underfunded and could not cover their costs. Incidentally, the cost also applies to EU students. There were 61,000 such enrolments last year, a number that is growing fast,...
Member
Damian Hinds (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contribution
Date
9 December 2010
Reference
520 c615
House
House of Commons

My Lords, the stocking densities of chickens cause huge animal welfare problems, so I can be a little more congratulatory to the Government on taking this step in setting a lower density for the housing of chickens in England and for some of our counterparts across Europe and elsewhere. It...
Member
Baroness Parminter (Liberal Democrat)
Type
Proceeding contribution
Date
8 December 2010
Reference
723 c48GC
House
House of Lords

I worry that what we have here is a softening up. The hon. Gentleman serves on the Defence Committee. Surely he has the ear of the Minister and speaks to him in the corridors, as we try to do as well. Our suspicion is that discussions will continue about St...
Member
Huw Irranca-Davies (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contribution
Date
8 December 2010
Reference
520 c76WH
House
House of Commons

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