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Passenger Railway Services (Public Ownership) Bill

Committee of the Whole House (HL) and Debate on bills on Monday, 21 October 2024, in the House of Lords, led by Lord Hendy of Richmond Hill. The answering member was Lord Moylan.
Lords committee stage first day. Clause 1 agreed to. Clause 2 under consideration. (Part 1 of 2).
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Parliamentary proceeding
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840 cc427-479 
Session
2024-25
Legislative stage
Committee stage
Procedure
New clauses
Chamber / Committee
House of Lords chamber
Proceeding contributions
Lord Gascoigne | 840 c427 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Gascoigne

A1: Before Clause 1, insert the following new Clause—

“...

Lord Gascoigne | 840 cc427-9 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, in moving my Amendment A1 I will speak also to Amendment 48A in this group. First, with...


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Lord Grocott | 840 cc428-430 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I will be brief. As the focus of this is on passenger travel and the noble Lord’s desir...

Lord Grayling | 840 cc430-1 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I rise along with the noble Lord, Lord Gascoigne, as someone who has worked closely wit...

Baroness Randerson | 840 cc431-2 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am in the slightly unusual position of speaking to Conservative amendments that have ...

Lord Berkeley | 840 cc432-3 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, the amendments in this group are all designed to try to get some information from the G...

Lord Lansley | 840 c433 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I will briefly ask the Minister a question for when he comes to respond.

I am ver...

Lord Snape | 840 cc433-5 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am always fascinated when Members of the party opposite attack proposals from this si...

Lord Sterling of Plaistow | 840 c435 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, trade moves by trains. Why do I bring that up? Some of your Lordships may remember that...

Lord Morgan | 840 c435 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I would like to intervene because I frequently travel on the railways of France; my wif...

Lord Moylan | 840 cc436-7 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I start by apologising to the noble Baroness, Lady Randerson, if I caused any confusion...

Lord Snape | 840 c437 (Link to this contribution)

Can I ask the Minister, sorry the shadow Minister—

Lord Moylan | 840 c437 (Link to this contribution)

I am not quite yet the Minister, but the way the Labour Party is going, who knows?

Lord Snape | 840 c438 (Link to this contribution)

I asked for that one, I have to say. It is mistakes being made at both ends of the Corridor recen...

Lord Moylan | 840 cc438-9 (Link to this contribution)

If the noble Lord will forgive me, I am asking the questions in this scenario, and I do not feel ...

Lord Liddle | 840 c439 (Link to this contribution)

Can I try to help the noble Lord? My understanding is that the Government are committed to a comp...

Lord Moylan | 840 cc439-440 (Link to this contribution)

The noble Lord puts the Government’s case very well. How much the House has lost in not seeing hi...

Lord Hendy of Richmond Hill | 840 cc440-3 (Link to this contribution)

First, I thank the noble Lord, Lord Gascoigne, for his welcome; it is nice to see him again in di...

Lord Moylan | 840 c443 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am clutching my copy of the Williams rail review in my hands. I think I am going to r...

Lord Hendy of Richmond Hill | 840 c444 (Link to this contribution)

I should respond to the noble Lord on three or four points. First, whatever the Williams report s...

Lord Moylan | 840 c444 (Link to this contribution)

So is it Great British Railways that will be doing it, like TfL, and not the Department for Trans...

Lord Hendy of Richmond Hill | 840 c444 (Link to this contribution)

Well, the noble Lord should not be, because it is quite clear to me that the Government intend to...

Lord Gascoigne | 840 cc444-5 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am grateful to everyone who spoke in what I thought was going to be a relatively brie...

Baroness Scott of Needham Market | 840 c445 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Baroness Scott of Needham Market

1: Clause 1, page 1, line 12, at end insert...

Baroness Scott of Needham Market | 840 cc445-6 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am sure that all of us want the same thing that the passengers want: a railway which ...

Lord Liddle | 840 cc446-7 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I have an amendment in this group that is closely aligned with the noble Baroness’s, on...

Lord Grayling | 840 cc447-8 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I shall raise a question with the Minister, as we are on the subject of the termination...

Lord Snape | 840 cc448-9 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I honestly believe that the amendment so ably moved by the noble Baroness opposite is e...

Lord Berkeley | 840 c449 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, the noble Baroness makes some very good points. The Greater Anglia service is awfully g...

Baroness Randerson | 840 cc450-1 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, as a Great Western passenger, I wish I could speak as glowingly as my noble friend Lady...

Lord Moylan | 840 cc451-2 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I begin by speaking briefly to Amendment 30, standing in my name, which proposes the de...

Lord Hendy of Richmond Hill | 840 cc452-3 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I thank noble Lords for explaining their amendments in this group, which consider some ...

Lord Grayling | 840 c453 (Link to this contribution)

I would like some clarification from the Minister on that point. Has the department added up that...

Lord Hendy of Richmond Hill | 840 c453 (Link to this contribution)

The answer to the noble Lord is: not yet. He will recognise that those costs materialise only whe...

Lord Snape | 840 c453 (Link to this contribution)

Before my noble friend leaves that point, I will ask him about the question of performance that h...

Lord Hendy of Richmond Hill | 840 cc454-5 (Link to this contribution)

In answer to my noble friend, and in recognition of some of what I have done in the past, it is s...

Lord Moylan | 840 c455 (Link to this contribution)

I will not pursue the question of “reasonably” at this stage, but I was struck by the Minister sa...

Lord Hendy of Richmond Hill | 840 c455 (Link to this contribution)

The answer is that it is the Government’s policy to take train operations into public ownership. ...

Lord Liddle | 840 c455 (Link to this contribution)

I would like to raise another point about Avanti. As I understand the law, the Secretary of State...

Lord Berkeley | 840 c456 (Link to this contribution)

Before the Minister responds, perhaps I could add something to my noble friend’s comments on Avan...

Lord Hendy of Richmond Hill | 840 c456 (Link to this contribution)

On my noble friend Lord Liddle’s comment, I am sure the Secretary of State would like to make her...

Baroness Randerson | 840 c456 (Link to this contribution)

Going back to the contracts that are performing well, what is the Minister’s view on emergency si...

Lord Hendy of Richmond Hill | 840 c456 (Link to this contribution)

It varies in accordance with the particular train company. Some of them are coming to a natural c...

Baroness Scott of Needham Market | 840 c456 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am very grateful for the support I have received from across the Committee for my ame...

Lord Lansley | 840 c457 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Lansley

3: Clause 2, page 2, line 12, leave out “only”

Lord Lansley | 840 cc457-9 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I rise to move Amendment 3 and speak to Amendment 5 and a number of others in the group...

Lord Young of Cookham | 840 cc458-461 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I will add a footnote to the excellent speech from my noble friend Lord Lansley and not...

Lord Berkeley | 840 c460 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I will follow on from the interesting contributions from the noble Lords, Lord Lansley ...

Baroness Randerson | 840 cc460-2 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, this has been a very interesting group of amendments to debate so far, and I am very ta...

Lord Moylan | 840 cc462-4 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, my noble friend Lord Young of Cookham said that he thought that the Government’s determ...

Lord Hendy of Richmond Hill | 840 cc463-8 (Link to this contribution)

The next time I see our mutual friend Keith Williams I shall tell him that the noble Lord, Lord M...

Lord Lansley | 840 cc467-9 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am most grateful to all noble Lords who have participated in this not terrifically lo...

Lord Berkeley | 840 c469 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Berkeley

6: Clause 2, page 2, line 15, at end insert—

“(1AA) Befo...

Lord Berkeley | 840 cc469-470 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, in moving Amendment 6 in my name and that of the noble Lord, Lord Moylan, I will speak ...

Baroness Pidgeon | 840 cc470-1 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I rise to speak to Amendment 40, which is focused on the issue of policing and safety o...

Lord Bradshaw | 840 cc471-2 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, on the issue of freight, the intention should be that the freight service is given dedi...

Lord Young of Cookham | 840 c472 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I support the point made by the noble Lord, Lord Berkeley, about the potential conflict...

Baroness Randerson | 840 cc472-3 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, this small group of amendments addresses a number of issues that inevitably raise quest...

Lord Moylan | 840 cc473-5 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I shall speak first to Amendment 40, concerning the British Transport Police, in the na...

Lord Hendy of Richmond Hill | 840 cc474-7 (Link to this contribution)

I will first say that I am delighted to see the noble Baroness, Lady Pidgeon, in her place. I hop...

Lord Liddle | 840 c477 (Link to this contribution)

Before we move on to the British Transport Police and while we are still considering freight path...

Lord Hendy of Richmond Hill | 840 c477 (Link to this contribution)

I thank my noble friend Lord Liddle for that intervention. All I can say at this point is that I ...

Lord Liddle | 840 c477 (Link to this contribution)

Would that be a decision for the Secretary of State or for Great British Railways?

Lord Hendy of Richmond Hill | 840 c477 (Link to this contribution)

I think in due course we will have to come back in the substantive Bill with a proposition on how...

Lord Berkeley | 840 c477 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am grateful to my noble friend for his response to my amendment and other people’s. I...

Lord Teverson | 840 c477 (Link to this contribution)

Before the noble Lord sums up on his amendment, I think the Minister has yet to reply on the issu...

Lord Hendy of Richmond Hill | 840 cc477-8 (Link to this contribution)

I apologise to the Committee; it is my novice inexperience. I thank the noble Lord for that inter...

Lord Berkeley | 840 cc478-9 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I apologise for intervening earlier and preventing my noble friend responding on the Br...

Lord Hendy of Richmond Hill | 840 c479 (Link to this contribution)

I will respond to my noble friend by either talking to him outside or writing to him.

Lord Berkeley | 840 c479 (Link to this contribution)

I beg leave to withdraw the amendment.

Notes
Scottish and Welsh legislative consent sought.
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