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Victims and Prisoners Bill

Debate on bills on Tuesday, 21 May 2024, in the House of Lords, led by Earl Howe and Lord Bellamy. The answering members were Lord Ponsonby of Shulbrede and Baroness Thornton.
Lords report stage fourth day. Amendments 153A, 154A to 154D, 156ZB to 156ZD, 156ZE to 156ZH, 156A to 156C, 157A to 157C, 157CB to 157G, 159 to 161, 162A to 162B, 164 and 167 to 169 agreed to. Bill, as amended, ordered to be printed (HL Bill 86). (Part 2 of 2).
Type
Parliamentary proceeding
Reference
838 cc1038-1070 
Session
2023-24
Department
Ministry of Justice
Legislative stage
Report stage
Chamber / Committee
House of Lords chamber
Victims and Prisoners Bill 2022-23 to 2023-24. As amended in Committee
Monday, 25 March 2024
Bills
House of Lords
Victims and Prisoners Bill
Tuesday, 21 May 2024
Parliamentary proceedings
House of Lords
Victims and Prisoners Bill 2022-23 to 2023-24. As amended on Report
Tuesday, 21 May 2024
Bills
House of Lords
Proceeding contributions
Lord Marks of Henley-on-Thames | 838 c1038 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Marks of Henley-on-Thames

150: Leave out Clause 49

Lord Marks of Henley-on-Thames | 838 cc1038-1040 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, the amendments in this group, Amendments 150 to 153, objecting to Clauses 49 to 52 stan...


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Baroness Lister of Burtersett | 838 cc1040-1 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I was very disappointed by the Minister’s response in Committee, so I felt that I ought...

Lord Pannick | 838 c1041 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I associate myself with the remarks of the noble Lord, Lord Marks, and the noble Barone...

Lord Ponsonby of Shulbrede | 838 cc1041-2 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, Section 3 of the Human Rights Act requires courts to interpret legislation compatibly w...

Lord Bellamy | 838 cc1042-3 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I thank the noble Lord, Lord Marks of Henley-on-Thames, for his amendments, which seek ...

Lord Pannick | 838 c1043 (Link to this contribution)

I am puzzled by this because it is an unusual thing in legislation to say that Section 3 is disap...

Lord Bellamy | 838 c1043 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, that is not by any means the Government’s position; nor can that inference be drawn. Th...

Lord Marks of Henley-on-Thames | 838 c1043 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I beg leave to withdraw Amendment 150.

Lord Bellamy | 838 c1044 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Bellamy

153A: Clause 53, page 54, line 14, leave out from beginning to ...

Lord Bellamy | 838 cc1044-5 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, for convenience, I will start, if I may, with Amendments 154B to 154D, which relate to ...

Lord Pannick | 838 c1045 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I need some guidance. Today’s list indicates that in this group are contained the gover...

Lord Marks of Henley-on-Thames | 838 c1045 (Link to this contribution)

If I may help advance this, our understanding is that the Clauses 55 and 56 stand-part debates ar...

Lord Bellamy | 838 c1046 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, that is my understanding. I am in a slight panic at the moment—the noble Lord, Lord Pan...

Lord Pannick | 838 c1046 (Link to this contribution)

I am simply referring to today’s list, which is what I am working from. If the Minister looks at ...

Lord Meston | 838 c1046 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I associate myself with those remarks. I stayed late, expecting to debate the question ...

Lord Marks of Henley-on-Thames | 838 c1046 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I will try to help once again, because I have in front of me a copy of the groupings th...

Lord Pannick | 838 c1046 (Link to this contribution)

I am very happy to proceed on the basis that group 6 will deal with these matters.

Baroness Thornton | 838 c1046 (Link to this contribution)

I have to say that I decided to ignore those and will discuss them in the next group, because the...

Lord Bellamy | 838 c1046 (Link to this contribution)

It is also the Government’s wish and position that we discuss that in the next group.

Lord Thomas of Cwmgiedd | 838 cc1046-7 (Link to this contribution)

Would it be possible to say something about what I think is common ground in this group—namely, t...

Lord Jackson of Peterborough | 838 cc1047-9 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I concede that I am the amuse-bouche of this debate, rather than the main course, as al...

Lord Marks of Henley-on-Thames | 838 cc1048-1050 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am grateful to the Minister for explaining his amendments, which accept a number of p...

Baroness Thornton | 838 cc1050-1 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am very glad that we have managed to sort out which are the right amendments in the r...

Lord Bellamy | 838 cc1051-3 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I begin with the amendments proposed by the noble and learned Lord, Lord Thomas. It was...

Lord Bellamy | 838 c1052 (Link to this contribution)

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Lord Bellamy

154A: Clause 53, page 54, line 21, at end insert—

“(2) Af...

Lord Bellamy | 838 c1054 (Link to this contribution)

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Lord Bellamy

154B: Clause 54, page 54, line 23, leave out subsections (1) an...

Baroness Finlay of Llandaff | 838 c1054 (Link to this contribution)

If Amendment 154D is agreed, I cannot call Amendments 155 or 156 due to pre-emption.

Amendm...

Lord Bellamy | 838 c1054 (Link to this contribution)

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Lord Bellamy

154D: Clause 54, page 55, line 1, leave out from beginning to e...

Lord Roborough | 838 c1054 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, with the permission of the House, I suggest that we de-group this amendment and begin t...

Lord Bellamy | 838 c1054 (Link to this contribution)

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Lord Bellamy

156ZB: Clause 55, page 56, line 34, leave out “written”

M...

Baroness Finlay of Llandaff | 838 c1054 (Link to this contribution)

For the convenience of the House, as we have just agreed to de-group the amendments, it would be ...

Lord Bellamy | 838 c1054 (Link to this contribution)

We are now on what was group 6. In any event, the Government are bringing forward Amendments 156Z...

Lord Pannick | 838 cc1055-7 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I have tabled my opposition to Clauses 55 and 56, which noble Lords know will prohibit ...

Lord Carter of Haslemere | 838 c1057 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, it is a real privilege to support my noble friend Lord Pannick in this debate on whethe...

Lord Carter of Haslemere | 838 cc1057-8 (Link to this contribution)

It was Winston Churchill; I am corrected—both great names.

If we have progressed at all fro...

Lord Bach | 838 cc1058-9 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I do not intend to say much, for the very good reason that I do not have to. The argume...

Lord Meston | 838 cc1059-1060 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I raised questions about Clause 55 and how it might operate in practice at Second Readi...

Baroness Brinton | 838 c1060 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, from these Benches, and in the absence of the noble Lord, Lord German, I want to say th...

Baroness Thornton | 838 c1060 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, from these Benches I express irritation that we have these in the Bill at all. We have ...

Lord Bellamy | 838 cc1060-1 (Link to this contribution)

I thank the noble Lord, Lord Pannick, for tabling his amendments, and of course I thank the noble...

Lord Pannick | 838 c1061 (Link to this contribution)

I thank the Minister. I also ask him to give a very modest undertaking this evening that, before ...

Lord Bellamy | 838 c1061 (Link to this contribution)

I can and will and do give that undertaking.

Amendment 156ZB agreed.

Amendments 156ZC...

Lord Bellamy | 838 c1061 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Bellamy

156ZC: Clause 55, page 56, line 36, leave out “written”

M...

Lord Bellamy | 838 c1062 (Link to this contribution)

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Lord Bellamy

156ZE: Clause 56, page 57, line 25, leave out “as follows” and ...

Lord Bellamy | 838 cc1062-3 (Link to this contribution)

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Lord Bellamy

156A: Clause 58, page 58, line 31, leave out “section 16, 55 or...

Earl Howe | 838 c1063 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Earl Howe

156BA: Clause 58, page 58, line 33, leave out from “legislation” t...

Earl Howe | 838 cc1063-4 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I shall speak to Amendment 156BA and to the three further government amendments in this...

Baroness Brinton | 838 c1064 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, from these Benches, we are very grateful that the Government have agreed to move forwar...

Lord Ponsonby of Shulbrede | 838 c1064 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I agree with the noble Baroness, Lady Brinton. We welcome these amendments.

Earl Howe | 838 c1064 (Link to this contribution)

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Earl Howe

156C: Clause 59, page 59, line 8, after “Act” insert “made by the ...

Earl Howe | 838 cc1064-5 (Link to this contribution)

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Earl Howe

157A: Clause 59, page 59, line 8, at end insert—

“(2A) For r...

Earl Howe | 838 cc1065-7 (Link to this contribution)

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Earl Howe

157CB: Clause 59, page 59, line 8, at end insert—

“(2A) A st...

Lord Bellamy | 838 c1067 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Bellamy

159: Clause 60, page 59, line 24, at end insert—

“(da) Pa...

Lord Bellamy | 838 c1067 (Link to this contribution)

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Lord Bellamy

161: Clause 61, page 59, line 27, leave out “This Part comes” a...

Lord Bellamy | 838 cc1067-8 (Link to this contribution)

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Lord Bellamy

162A: Clause 61, page 59, line 27, at end insert—

“(a) se...

Lord Beith | 838 c1068 (Link to this contribution)

If Amendment 162B is agreed to, I cannot call Amendment 163 in the name of the noble Baroness, La...

Lord Bellamy | 838 c1068 (Link to this contribution)

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Lord Bellamy

162B: Clause 61, page 59, line 28, at beginning insert “Except ...

Lord Bellamy | 838 c1068 (Link to this contribution)

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Lord Bellamy

164: Clause 61, page 59, line 28, leave out “The other provisio...

Lord Bellamy | 838 c1068 (Link to this contribution)

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Lord Bellamy

167: Clause 61, page 59, line 31, leave out “this Act” and inse...

Lord Bellamy | 838 cc1069-1070 (Link to this contribution)

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Lord Bellamy

169: Title, line 3, after “incidents;” insert “for an infected ...

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