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Victims and Prisoners Bill

Committee of the Whole House (HL) and Debate on bills on Tuesday, 12 March 2024, in the House of Lords, led by Lord Bellamy. The answering member was Lord Ponsonby of Shulbrede.
Lords committee stage seventh day. Clause 48 under consideration. (Part 1 of 2).
Type
Parliamentary proceeding
Reference
836 cc1929-1967 
Session
2023-24
Department
Ministry of Justice
Legislative stage
Committee stage
Chamber / Committee
House of Lords chamber
Proceeding contributions
Lord Thomas of Cwmgiedd | 836 c1929 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Thomas of Cwmgiedd

149: Clause 48, page 51, line 10, at end insert—

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Lord Thomas of Cwmgiedd | 836 cc1930-2 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, the subject of IPPs is so well known to you all, and indeed to many outside this House,...


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Baroness Chakrabarti | 836 cc1932-3 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I have the privilege of rising on behalf of my noble friend Lord Blunkett, who is incre...

Baroness Burt of Solihull | 836 cc1933-4 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I thank the noble and learned Lord, Lord Thomas, for his comments and endorse everythin...

Baroness Jones of Moulsecoomb | 836 c1934 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I rise possibly as an elder, owing to my advanced age; but perhaps not. I would like to...

Earl Attlee | 836 cc1934-6 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am grateful to the noble and learned Lord, Lord Thomas, for moving his amendment. I h...

Lord Woodley | 836 cc1936-7 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I support this group of amendments. I support of all the IPP amendments debated now and...

Lord Hastings of Scarisbrick | 836 c1937 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I too support this array of amendments on IPP, both the current amendments and the ones...

Lord Hodgson of Astley Abbotts | 836 cc1937-8 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I wonder whether I could detain the Committee for one minute on Amendments 156 and 157....

Lord Ponsonby of Shulbrede | 836 c1938 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, this has been an interesting and relatively short debate. We have four groups of amendm...

Lord Bellamy | 836 cc1938-1941 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I thank all noble Lords who have spoken. I will first briefly

Baroness Chakrabarti | 836 c1940 (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful to the noble and learned Lord for giving way. I should like to better understand th...

Lord Bellamy | 836 cc1940-2 (Link to this contribution)

I thank the noble Baroness for those questions. As to whether I was speaking of IPP specifically,...

Earl Attlee | 836 c1942 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, is my noble friend the Minister telling us that it is inconceivable that the Government...

Lord Bellamy | 836 c1942 (Link to this contribution)

I do not know that one would use the word “inconceivable”. The Government do not see any prospect...

Lord Thomas of Cwmgiedd | 836 c1943 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I thank everyone who has participated in this debate. It has proved useful: first, it i...

Lord Carter of Haslemere | 836 c1943 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Carter of Haslemere

154: Clause 48, page 52, line 21, at end insert—

Lord Carter of Haslemere | 836 cc1943-5 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I shall speak to Amendment 154 in my name and to Amendment 168 at the same time, as the...

Baroness Chakrabarti | 836 cc1945-6 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, it is a privilege to rise in support of my old boss, the noble Lord, Lord Carter of Has...

Lord Moylan | 836 cc1946-7 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am grateful to the noble Baroness, Lady Chakrabarti, for mentioning the release test ...

Lord Clarke of Nottingham | 836 c1947 (Link to this contribution)

My recollection is that there is a section in the original 2012 legislation that would shift the ...

Lord Moylan | 836 c1948 (Link to this contribution)

I am somewhat crushed by the fact that the noble Lord is able to bring before your Lordships’ Hou...

Lord Marks of Henley-on-Thames | 836 c1948 (Link to this contribution)

I heard what the noble Lord, Lord Clarke, had to say and I know that if my noble friend Lord McNa...

Lord Moylan | 836 cc1948-9 (Link to this contribution)

I am very grateful. Again, my speech is being shredded in advance by points that I was about to m...

Lord Hope of Craighead | 836 cc1949-1951 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I shall speak to Amendments 159 and 160 in this group, which the noble Lord, Lord Blunk...

Baroness Burt of Solihull | 836 cc1951-3 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I support every single amendment in this group, particularly the “two strikes” part of ...

Baroness Blower | 836 cc1953-4 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I apologise that I was unable to be in the Chamber for the entirety of the Second Readi...

Lord Garnier | 836 cc1954-6 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, it is a pleasure to follow the noble Baroness, Lady Blower, and I was delighted to be a...

Lord Clarke of Nottingham | 836 c1955 (Link to this contribution)

My noble friend is of course talking to an audience in this Chamber which agrees with every word ...

Lord Garnier | 836 c1955 (Link to this contribution)

I am most grateful to my noble friend. I will have to check tomorrow morning the Hansard report o...

Baroness Fox of Buckley | 836 cc1955-7 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, it was a real privilege to witness that exchange and I think we are getting to the hear...

Baroness Hamwee | 836 cc1957-8 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I particularly support the amendment from the noble Baroness, Lady Blower, although I s...

Bishop of Leicester | 836 c1958 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I support this group of amendments and it is a pleasure to follow noble Lords and benef...

Lord Berkeley of Knighton | 836 c1958 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am not a lawyer but I do have some experience of visiting prisons, thanks to the Koes...

Earl Attlee | 836 cc1958-9 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, on the first group of amendments my noble and learned friend the Minister said that the...

Lord Ponsonby of Shulbrede | 836 cc1959-1960 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, this too has been a wide-ranging debate and more wide-ranging than that on the first gr...

Lord Bellamy | 836 c1960 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, following on from what the noble Lord, Lord Ponsonby, said, the Government agree entire...

Lord Clarke of Nottingham | 836 c1960 (Link to this contribution)

I pay tribute to my noble and learned friend and his colleagues in the department, including the ...

Lord Bellamy | 836 cc1960-3 (Link to this contribution)

I thank my noble friend Lord Clarke of Nottingham for inviting us to foregather at the Dog and Du...

Baroness Fox of Buckley | 836 c1963 (Link to this contribution)

Unlike other prisoners, they may have been up before the Parole Board many times, but this is lon...

Lord Bellamy | 836 c1963 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I entirely understand the point that the noble Baroness is making, which effectively en...

Baroness Fox of Buckley | 836 c1964 (Link to this contribution)

I did not suggest that they were more likely to cause harm. The argument is whether we accept tha...

Lord Bellamy | 836 c1964 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, as I have tried to say, the whole purpose of the action plan is to create a framework i...

Lord Clarke of Nottingham | 836 c1964 (Link to this contribution)

The problem is that the Parole Board is made up of real-life men and women with a very heavy resp...

Lord Bellamy | 836 cc1964-5 (Link to this contribution)

I see the force of the points being made by the noble Lord, Lord Clarke. I respectfully suggest t...

Lord Thomas of Cwmgiedd | 836 c1965 (Link to this contribution)

I want to ask the noble and learned Lord about the word “proportionate”. Is there an objection to...

Lord Bellamy | 836 c1965 (Link to this contribution)

The Government’s position, frankly, is that the word “proportionate” causes more difficulties tha...

Lord Bellamy | 836 cc1965-6 (Link to this contribution)

I just need to finish. Noble Lords come at me from all directions, which is perfectly fine, but I...

Lord Carter of Haslemere | 836 cc1966-7 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am grateful to all noble Lords who have contributed to this constructive, powerful an...

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