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Victims and Prisoners Bill

Committee of the Whole House (HL) and Debate on bills on Tuesday, 13 February 2024, in the House of Lords, led by Earl Howe and Lord Roborough. The answering members were Lord Ponsonby of Shulbrede and Baroness Thornton.
Lords committee stage fifth day. Clauses 29 to 38 agreed to.
Type
Parliamentary proceeding
Reference
836 cc161-201 
Session
2023-24
Department
Ministry of Justice
Legislative stage
Committee stage
Procedure
New clauses
Chamber / Committee
House of Lords chamber
Proceeding contributions
Baroness Thornton | 836 c161 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Baroness Thornton

122: After Clause 28, insert the following new clause—

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Baroness Thornton | 836 c162 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, in moving Amendment 122, I shall also speak to Amendment 123. I thank Justice and Inque...


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Baroness Brinton | 836 cc162-3 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I thank the noble Baroness, Lady Thornton, for tabling these important amendments creat...

Baroness Hamwee | 836 c163 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, there is obvious scope for confusion on the part of—I try not to use the word “victim”,...

Baroness Jones of Moulsecoomb | 836 cc163-4 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I support both amendments. I shall refer to a different group; the noble Baroness, Lady...

Lord Marks of Henley-on-Thames | 836 cc164-5 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, these are probing amendments, as the noble Baroness, Lady Thornton, explained, and they...

Lord Roborough | 836 cc165-6 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I thank the noble Baroness, Lady Thornton, for Amendment 122. This amendment would requ...

Baroness Thornton | 836 c166 (Link to this contribution)

I wonder whether the code would cover the Hillsborough situation. It seems that the definition th...

Baroness Brinton | 836 c166 (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful to the noble Lord for allowing me to intervene. The other point he has raised about...

Lord Roborough | 836 c166 (Link to this contribution)

I understand the points made by both noble Baronesses. I have had extensive dialogue with the dep...

Baroness Brinton | 836 cc166-7 (Link to this contribution)

I am really sorry to intervene again and am very grateful to the noble Lord. The amendment does n...

Lord Roborough | 836 c167 (Link to this contribution)

As I have already said, I believe that most victims will be victims of crime; most major incident...

Lord Marks of Henley-on-Thames | 836 c167 (Link to this contribution)

The Minister has accepted that there is a subset and, as the noble Baroness, Lady Brinton, has de...

Baroness Jones of Moulsecoomb | 836 c167 (Link to this contribution)

While the Minister is still sitting down, I agree with everything that has just been said but als...

Lord Roborough | 836 cc167-8 (Link to this contribution)

I apologise to the noble Baroness, Lady Jones of Moulsecoomb. I am grateful to the noble Lord, Lo...

Baroness Brinton | 836 c168 (Link to this contribution)

I apologise for intervening again, but this is Committee and I am trying to understand. I am grat...

Lord Roborough | 836 c168 (Link to this contribution)

I am of course happy to commit to meeting to discuss this matter, but we are not leaving the vict...

Baroness Hamwee | 836 c168 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, during the debate on the victims’ code, we discussed the problem that victims are often...

Baroness Thornton | 836 c169 (Link to this contribution)

I thank the noble Baroness, Lady Hamwee, for throwing that in. The Minister will know that this i...

Lord Wills | 836 c169 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Wills

123A: Clause 29, page 30, line 8, at beginning insert “Within one...

Lord Wills | 836 cc169-173 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, this group of amendments addresses the appointments, functions and processes for the in...

Baroness Sanderson of Welton | 836 cc171-4 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I will speak to Amendments 124A and first to 133ZA, which recommends the review that th...

Baroness Hamwee | 836 c175 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I support the amendments that call for proper support for this new role. It should not ...

Lord Marks of Henley-on-Thames | 836 cc175-7 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, as the noble Lord, Lord Wills, has explained, of the amendments in this group, Amendmen...

Lord Ponsonby of Shulbrede | 836 c177 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I congratulate my noble friend on pursuing this matter over many years. I know that the...

Earl Howe | 836 cc178-180 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, as the noble Lord, Lord Wills, so ably explained, this group of amendments covers a num...

Lord Marks of Henley-on-Thames | 836 c180 (Link to this contribution)

I am sorry to intervene on the noble Earl. I may be an amendment or two later than the point in t...

Earl Howe | 836 cc180-1 (Link to this contribution)

I think we have already debated the latitude that the Secretary of State enjoys in interpreting t...

Lord Wills | 836 cc181-2 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am grateful to everyone who has spoken to this group of amendments. I think everyone,...

Earl Howe | 836 c182 (Link to this contribution)

I meant to respond to the very pertinent points the noble Lord made on the cost and duration of p...

Lord Wills | 836 cc182-3 (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful to the Minister; he pre-empted me, as he could see where I was going to go next wit...

Baroness Thornton | 836 c183 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Baroness Thornton

124: Clause 29, page 30, line 16, at end insert—

“(2...

Baroness Thornton | 836 cc183-4 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, in moving Amendment 124 I will speak to Amendments 125 and 128 in the name of my noble ...

Baroness Brinton | 836 cc184-5 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I thank the noble Lord, Lord Ponsonby, for laying these amendments and the noble Barone...

Baroness Newlove | 836 c185 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I have been happy to sit and listen as we went through the rest of the Bill, but I tota...

Lord Wills | 836 c185 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I rise briefly—the Minister will be relieved to hear—to support these amendments. What ...

Lord Marks of Henley-on-Thames | 836 cc186-7 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, this group concerns the obtaining of the views of victims by the standing advocate and ...

Earl Howe | 836 cc187-8 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I express my thanks to the noble Baroness, Lady Thornton, and the noble Lord, Lord Pons...

Baroness Thornton | 836 cc188-9 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I thank the Minister for that explanation. I thank the noble Baronesses, Lady Brinton a...

Lord Hope of Craighead | 836 c189 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Hope of Craighead

127: Clause 31, page 31, line 20, leave out “on such ...

Lord Hope of Craighead | 836 cc189-191 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, a good deal has been said about this amendment already in one way or another before I h...

Lord Ponsonby of Shulbrede | 836 cc191-2 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I shall speak first to the two amendments in my name. Amendment 29 states:

“Durin...

Lord Thomas of Cwmgiedd | 836 cc192-3 (Link to this contribution)

I support the amendment of the noble and learned Lord, Lord Hope. There can be no disputing that ...

Lord Marks of Henley-on-Thames | 836 cc193-4 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I shall be relatively brief on this short group of amendments. I stated my support for ...

Lord Roborough | 836 cc194-6 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I thank the noble and learned Lord, Lord Hope of Craighead, for his amendment. This gro...

Lord Hope of Craighead | 836 cc196-7 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am grateful to all noble Lords who have spoken in this short debate. I am particularl...

Lord Roborough | 836 c197 (Link to this contribution)

I reassure the noble and learned Lord that we would like to discuss this further.

Lord Hope of Craighead | 836 c197 (Link to this contribution)

I am most grateful to the Minister for that. For the time being, I will withdraw the amendment an...

Lord Ponsonby of Shulbrede | 836 c197 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Ponsonby of Shulbrede

130: Clause 33, page 32, line 36, leave out subse...

Lord Ponsonby of Shulbrede | 836 c198 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I put my name to this amendment. It was tabled by the noble Lord, Lord Hampton, who is ...

Baroness Brinton | 836 cc198-9 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I thank the noble Lord, Lord Ponsonby, for his introduction to this important amendment...

Lord Roborough | 836 cc199-200 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I thank the noble Lord, Lord Ponsonby, for introducing this amendment, which relates to...

Baroness Brinton | 836 cc200-1 (Link to this contribution)

I am very grateful to the noble Lord. He said two things that concern me. First, the amendment sa...

Lord Roborough | 836 c201 (Link to this contribution)

The noble Baroness obviously makes a good point, and this is a complex and sensitive area. We are...

Lord Ponsonby of Shulbrede | 836 c201 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I thank the noble Baroness, Lady Brinton. As she persuasively said, there are many othe...

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Welsh legislative consent sought.
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