Retained EU Law (Revocation and Reform) Bill

My Lords, I wish to raise a point about Amendment 4. It relates to the interaction of this Bill w...

My Lords, my noble friend Lady Brinton has done a fantastic job of explaining why these three ame...

I too welcome the Minister to her role. I knew her first as a very distinguished civil servant in...

My Lords, I want to follow the noble Lord, Lord Kerr, in intervening on this issue because this i...

My Lords, I support all the amendments in this group. The noble Lords, Lord Fox and Lord Clement-...

Before the noble Baroness sits down, I wonder whether she accepts my point about the common frame...

I very much accept that. It might be that we want to discuss later in the Bill whether or not any...

My Lords, may I just respond to the noble Baroness, Lady Chapman? She said that we just need to k...

What an extraordinarily old-fashioned way of looking at how to run a country. The idea that the G...

My Lords, it is actually a great pleasure to join this debate on this important Bill. There are f...

I thank the Minister for giving way. She said that not all protections will fall away. Can she te...

I said we would be maintaining the necessary protections. I was debating. People were saying that...

I am just curious. What decision process resulted in financial services being dealt with in a dif...

As I said, we are determined to have a review and to make the changes that we can, and the two Bi...

We are trying to understand why that is. What is different about financial services and food safe...

I think our overriding concern is to make sure that all the areas are reviewed and that is behind...

I hope the Minister will forgive me but before she moves on, I want to add to the question from t...

We have a process for those measures. Obviously, there is a lot of retained EU law. We are going ...

I have followed this debate, although I have not yet spoken in it. I would just like to clarify s...

I will try to answer my noble friend’s question. Defra has a programme looking at all this. It ne...

Before the Minister moves to Amendment 17, Amendment 4 raises the issue of common frameworks. I c...

I was going to respond at the end on common frameworks, partly to say what our hope is, and partl...

It is interesting to look at the expertise of the people who will be making these decisions. In t...

Clearly, when civil servants are reviewing the body of law, they will look at individual points t...

Before the noble Baroness sits down, I am sorry to keep popping up and down, but it is Committee ...

What I meant is that, when Bills are going through and noble Lords raise points, it is my experie...

My Lords, coming in on that point—I thank the noble Baroness, Lady Chapman, for starting the proc...

Let me reflect further with the lead Minister on this matter and come back. The point that I was ...

I just say to the noble Baroness on the issue of common frameworks and the devolved Administratio...

I find it difficult to answer that. My understanding is that there has been extensive dialogue wi...

If there has been extensive dialogue between officials, and presumably organisations that advise ...

I have had correspondence with these bodies. Certainly, in my other work I deal with the Food Sta...

My Lords, I have a really practical question. Many people around the Committee have expressed the...

There is a process in place. The Minister explained earlier how it is working and that we will be...

One of the more entertaining bits of the Minister’s elegant reply was the opening bit, in which s...

My Lords, I remind the noble Lord, who I listen to with great respect, that it is not the custom ...

The rebuke is absolutely correct, and I withdraw my remarks. When I said “you” I meant the Govern...

That is why we have published the dashboard and why we will improve it. It is why we want to get ...

My Lords, I thank all noble Lords who have contributed to the debate and engaged directly with th...

Moved by

Lord Clement-Jones

5: Clause 1, page 1, line 4, at beginning insert “Except ...

My Lords, I am greatly encouraged by the fact that the Minister believes that these debates on in...

My Lords, it has been a long day of debate and I will invite noble Lords to pause and think about...

My Lords, it is a pleasure to follow the noble Lord, Lord Krebs. I agree with every point he has ...

My Lords, it is a great privilege to follow my noble friend Lord Rooker. I really commend his sen...

My Lords, I thank the noble Lord, Lord Clement-Jones, for introducing this group of amendments. I...

My Lords, I sat through the entirety of the Second Reading debate—I missed only one speaker—and I...

My Lords, it is a great pleasure to follow the noble Lord, Lord Hacking, and I entirely agree wit...

My Lords, I want to pick up on the amendments of the noble Lord, Lord Rooker, and, particularly, ...

My Lords, when I came into this debate, I did not anticipate saying anything, but I wear two hats...

My Lords, this has been a very long debate and I think there have been a lot of excellent speeche...

My Lords, I am starting to wish we had degrouped this debate, because there were so many issues t...

My Lords—

One word.

I will come to that.

I thank noble Lords for their amendments relating to product, food, en...

I am sorry to interrupt the Minister just as she is getting into her flow, but she seems to be mo...

I am told by my noble friend, Lord Callanan, that it will include all the appropriate information...

I am grateful to the Minister for giving way. I understand, from trading standards, that the gove...

I am afraid that I will have to write to the noble Baroness on that; we do not have an answer at ...

How does the Bill make that happen, when Clause 15 does not allow an increase in regulatory burde...

I did not suggest that it was happening as a result of the Bill; it is happening anyway, and that...

The regulations are on the dashboard.

Minister, this is all news to us. Where will the detail be found on this? Why is a Minister sudde...

I do not believe it is a big reveal. It just underscores the sort of work that the Government are...

My Lords, surely the point is that these crucial protections on asbestos could in principle fall ...

There is no question of going back on the protections that the existing EU law provides. As you h...

I am sorry, but the Minister just said that the Health and Safety Executive is going to use the i...

I understand the point the noble Baroness is making. We are not talking about increasing the tota...

I am very interested in what the Minister is saying. This asbestos review sounds like good news. ...

We just do not believe that that is the case.

I just want to make what I think is an important point here. The Government are talking about the...

Before the Minister responds—I may be taking advantage here—the Health and Safety Executive is an...

I am afraid that the Government’s position is that we simply do not accept that interpretation of...

My Lords, I think that we have just introduced a whole other confusion. Clause 15 talks about not...

I think the best thing I can do is commit to giving the noble Lord a definition of “regulatory bu...

When the Minister writes, can she also give us an indication of how that definition has already b...

We will give as much further clarification as we can.

I am sorry to interrupt the Minister yet again but I was pleased to hear that she has agreed to w...

My Lords, while the Minister is considering her response to that, may I say that the noble Lord, ...

I can commit to reflecting on what other information we can give in respect of the regulatory bur...

Sorry, I have one very short point. One of the examples that has often been given as irrelevant i...

I take the noble Baroness’s point.

I turn now to Amendment 16, tabled by the noble Lord, Lo...

In that case, could the Minister confirm that BSE monitoring will be retained as it is?

That is a question for Defra; I cannot confirm or deny any particular regulations that will be lo...

Defra is the producer’s department; who is looking after the consumers? That was part of the prob...

The noble Lord, as a prior chairman of the FSA, will know that the FSA is a part of Defra and rep...

I beg your pardon. If the Minister is not aware, the FSA is a non-ministerial department, which a...

My apologies to the whole Committee for making that obvious mistake. There has been a write-round...

I feel sorry for the Minister, because I do not doubt her personal commitment to maintaining thes...

I thank the noble Lord for his intervention. Of course it would make all our lives easier, and th...

This is new information. I have yet to hear from the Dispatch Box that this list will be publishe...

As the noble Lord will appreciate, it will be published when the work is complete. The work is on...

I come back to the question I asked in the previous group: at what point does the dashboard—this ...

In terms of the dashboard, the vast majority of the work is already done, but there will be bits ...

It is good to hear that the dashboard is nearly finished; it has been interesting watching it eme...

I am sorry to keep labouring this point, but the Minister keeps introducing new information. In r...

The dashboard has all the retained EU law which is subject to the provisions of the Bill; it is a...

It is not in the Bill.

I cannot resist, I am afraid, intervening on this. I was in a Common Frameworks Scrutiny Committe...

I know that this is of concern to a number of Members in the Committee, but officials from the UK...

My Lords, the Minister has rather changed the rules on this. If the dashboard is almost complete ...

The dashboard is ongoing work. It does not put things into buckets, but just includes all the EU ...

There is an outstanding point here. How is the dashboard connected to the Bill? There is no legal...

I do not accept the noble Lord’s point. The dashboard is just a list of retained EU law that will...

I apologise to the Committee for continuing this point, but the Government have said repeatedly t...

The dashboard does not have any legal status. It is simply a list of the job of work that all the...

When we started discussion in Committee this afternoon, the issue was it will either be retained ...

I have a qualification about the dashboard. The retained EU law dashboard showcases which departm...

How will it hold the Government to account?

It will be a published document.

I am trying to get this clear in my head. We are not saying buckets, and I am trying not to say “...

The dashboard will be updated with status as each EU law is reviewed.

My Lords, I have just one simple point to make. Unless we are clear whether the Bill says that th...

I have already offered to write on that point.

Yes, but a big follow-on from that is that that is where the impact assessment becomes critical. ...

There will be an impact assessment on all new regulations. I will be writing with further detail ...

We also seek clarification on something the noble Lord, Lord Callanan, said at Second Reading: th...

Not in terms of regulatory review, but those decisions will be taken within departments, and they...

My Lords, it seems that we will know at about one minute to midnight on 31 December, because it w...

With respect, it will be updated.

My Lords, the Minister should stop sitting down in the hope that somebody else is going to stand ...

I am afraid that I cannot commit to a specific timetable. Perhaps I could include that in my lett...

Well, my Lords, I am not going to prolong the agony, because it has been pretty agonising and ext...

Moved by

Baroness Brinton

6: Clause 1, page 1, line 4, at beginning insert “Except fo...

I will move Amendment 6 and speak to Amendments 13 to 15 on behalf of the noble Lord, Lord Clemen...

My Lords, I shall speak briefly to Amendment 6 in the name of the noble Lord, Lord Clement-Jones,...

My Lords, I shall speak to Amendment 145 in the name of the noble Earl, Lord Lindsay. This amendm...

My Lords, this debate has demonstrated what we already knew: there is retained EU law across all ...

I apologise, I was not quite clear about something the Minister said. He made reference to the is...

There are a number of broader powers in different pieces of legislation. I can get the noble Baro...

Forgive me for interrupting at this late stage, but could the Minister tell the Committee how muc...

If the noble Baroness has been listening to the debate so far, she can reference the dashboard wi...

The Minister said that, once decisions had been taken, he would update the House on the outcome f...

The Minister mentioned that a decision had been made to continue artists’ resale rights. Where wa...

The Government have signalled our general intention and the importance of the IP protection regim...

My Lords, I thank the Minister for his reply. Like other noble Lords, I thank all three Ministers...

I will issue a clarification: it is actually 3,700 pieces of retained EU law, not 4,700, as I ina...

I am grateful for that clarification, but it exactly makes the point that every noble Lord made t...

My Lords, I am disappointed in the noble Lord’s response. I cannot see why the Financial Services...

To conclude, I feel that a rather large number of amendments from today will return in some form ...

It might be 1,000 fewer than we thought.

Even if it is 1,000 fewer, a large number will return. On that basis, I withdraw Amendment 6.