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National Security Bill

Committee of the Whole House (HL) and Debate on bills on Wednesday, 21 December 2022, in the House of Lords, led by Lord Sharpe of Epsom. The answering members were Lord Ponsonby of Shulbrede and Lord Coaker.
Lords committee stage second day. Clause 13, as amended, agreed to. New clauses agreed to. Clause 14 agreed to. Schedule 1 agreed to. Clause 15 agreed to. (Part 1 of 2).
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Parliamentary proceeding
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826 cc1143-1172 
Session
2022-23
Department
Home Office
Legislative stage
Committee stage
Procedure
New clauses
Chamber / Committee
House of Lords chamber
Legislative scrutiny: National Security Bill. Joint Committee on Human Rights fifth report.
Wednesday, 12 October 2022
Parliamentary committees
House of Lords
House of Commons
National Security Bill 2022-23. Brought from the Commons.
Thursday, 17 November 2022
Bills
House of Lords
National Security Bill; Northern Ireland Troubles (Legacy and Reconciliation) Bill: Government response. Delegated Powers and Regulatory Reform Committee twentieth report.
Wednesday, 7 December 2022
Parliamentary committees
House of Lords
National Security Bill. Constitution Committee tenth report.
Wednesday, 14 December 2022
Parliamentary committees
House of Lords

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National Security Bill
Wednesday, 21 December 2022
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Lord Bethell | 826 c1143 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Bethell

37A: After Clause 12, insert the following new Clause—

“T...

Lord Bethell | 826 cc1143-5 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, Amendment 37A on treason and aiding a foreign power is in my name and that of the noble...


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Lord Carlile of Berriew | 826 cc1145-6 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I have great respect for any new clause proposed by the noble Lord, and with the name o...

Lord Butler of Brockwell | 826 c1146 (Link to this contribution)

I think my noble friend is referring to Ponting, not Westland.

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Lord Carlile of Berriew | 826 c1146 (Link to this contribution)

I thank my noble friend for that correction—yes, it was Ponting, not Westland. I apologise; I had...

Lord Anderson of Ipswich | 826 cc1146-8 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, it is a pleasure to follow two such clear and thought-provoking speeches. When this Hou...

Lord Purvis of Tweed | 826 cc1148-9 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, it is a privilege to follow the noble Lord. I share his views and those laid out so wel...

Lord Hope of Craighead | 826 cc1149-1150 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I hesitate to intervene in a debate after speakers who know a great deal more about thi...

Lord Ponsonby of Shulbrede | 826 c1150 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I found this a fascinating short debate. It caused me to reflect on my time in this Hou...

Lord Sharpe of Epsom | 826 cc1150-1 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I agree with the noble Lord, Lord Ponsonby, that this has been a fascinating debate on ...

Lord Bethell | 826 cc1151-2 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am enormously grateful for the thoughtful and detailed debate we have had on this ame...

Lord Hope of Craighead | 826 c1152 (Link to this contribution)

The problem is—I speak as a former prosecutor—that if you are facing a jury with a charge that ha...

Lord Bethell | 826 c1152 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, pragmatism is completely right; I understand the noble and learned Lord’s point and I d...

Lord Sharpe of Epsom | 826 c1153 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Sharpe of Epsom

38: Clause 13, page 11, line 18, leave out subsections ...

Lord Sharpe of Epsom | 826 cc1153-5 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I turn to government Amendments 38, 40, 41 and 42, and Amendments 43, 44, 45 and 45A in...

Lord Gardiner of Kimble | 826 c1154 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, if Amendment 38 is agreed to, I will not be able to call Amendment 39 by reason of pre-...

Lord Wallace of Saltaire | 826 cc1156-8 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, my name is on Amendments 43 and 44 and Amendment 45A is in my name. I welcome the clari...

Lord Carlile of Berriew | 826 cc1158-9 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, Amendment 44 is in my name and that of the noble Lords, Lord Ponsonby and Lord Wallace,...

Viscount Stansgate | 826 c1160 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I hope that I can intervene briefly to ask two questions. I support Amendment 44, but t...

Lord Purvis of Tweed | 826 cc1160-2 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I will begin by raising a question with the Minister regarding his amendments, and will...

Lord Evans of Weardale | 826 cc1162-3 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I support Amendments 44 and 45A. It is striking that in the electoral finance regulatio...

Lord Coaker | 826 cc1163-5 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, we very much welcome Clauses 13 and 14—or however they are now numbered, given the Gove...

Lord Sharpe of Epsom | 826 cc1165-6 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I thank the notably unrevolutionary noble Lord, Lord Coaker, for his support for these ...

Lord Wallace of Saltaire | 826 c1166 (Link to this contribution)

Several speeches have stressed the importance of informing and educating the public about the dan...

Lord Sharpe of Epsom | 826 c1166 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am dredging my memory a little bit here, but I remember the Security Minister about a...

Lord Coaker | 826 c1166 (Link to this contribution)

I think this is a really important point about informing and alerting the public in live time. I ...

Lord Sharpe of Epsom | 826 cc1166-7 (Link to this contribution)

I will certainly have to read all the various information that I can find on the defending democr...

Lord Wallace of Saltaire | 826 c1167 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I apologise for intervening again. The Minister has not addressed the ease with which s...

Lord Sharpe of Epsom | 826 c1167 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, that is more properly a DLUHC area, in the light of the Act passed recently, but I will...

Lord Purvis of Tweed | 826 c1167 (Link to this contribution)

We obviously have a difference of opinion as to whether the current system is stringent. I am cur...

Lord Sharpe of Epsom | 826 cc1167-8 (Link to this contribution)

As I outlined in my answer earlier, I believe this is a stringent regime. I am afraid there is a ...

Lord Wallace of Saltaire | 826 c1168 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I apologise for intervening yet again. My point was simply that the level of controls a...

Lord Sharpe of Epsom | 826 c1168 (Link to this contribution)

I am sorry to disagree with the noble Lord, but on this one I do. However, I commit to discussing...

Lord Carlile of Berriew | 826 c1168 (Link to this contribution)

I am sorry to interrupt the Minister and am very grateful to him for giving way. On this question...

Lord Sharpe of Epsom | 826 c1169 (Link to this contribution)

The simple answer is that I do not know, but I will find out and commit to write.

Viscount Stansgate | 826 c1169 (Link to this contribution)

The question I asked related to the bit in brackets. What effect would there be if you omitted th...

Lord Sharpe of Epsom | 826 c1169 (Link to this contribution)

I think I have already answered in significant detail why that clause has gone into the Bill. I h...

Lord Purvis of Tweed | 826 c1169 (Link to this contribution)

This is really important. As the noble Viscount pointed out, this is not about coercion of an ind...

Lord Sharpe of Epsom | 826 c1169 (Link to this contribution)

I have heard the feelings about this around the Committee, so of course I commit to do that.

Lord Sharpe of Epsom | 826 c1169 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Sharpe of Epsom

40: Clause 13, page 12, line 38, leave out from beginni...

Lord Sharpe of Epsom | 826 cc1169-1171 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Sharpe of Epsom

41: After Clause 13, insert the following new Clause—

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