My Lords, pragmatism is completely right; I understand the noble and learned Lord’s point and I do not doubt his insight in the slightest. I have a slightly different perspective. That seems to be an argument to rehabilitate the thought rather than to avoid the crime. If something is happening that threatens our national security and is a crime, we need to think of ways of communicating that to juries and to prosecutors. In the same way, juries sometimes struggle with “rape” and are sometimes reluctant to convict—but obviously that is not a reason to not take rape to trial. Given the mood of the House, I beg leave to withdraw the amendment.
National Security Bill
Proceeding contribution from
Lord Bethell
(Conservative)
in the House of Lords on Wednesday, 21 December 2022.
It occurred during Committee of the Whole House (HL)
and
Debate on bills on National Security Bill.
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826 c1152 
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2022-23
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