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Higher Education (Freedom of Speech) Bill

Debate on bills and Committee proceeding on Wednesday, 2 November 2022, in the House of Lords, led by Earl Howe. The answering members were Baroness Thornton and Lord Collins of Highbury.
Lords committee stage second day. Clauses 1 to 3 agreed to.
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Parliamentary proceeding
Reference
825 cc57-114GC 
Session
2022-23
Legislative stage
Committee stage
Chamber / Committee
House of Lords Grand Committee
Proceeding contributions
Earl Howe | 825 cc57-61GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, as the Committee will be aware, our debate on Monday on academic freedom and associated...

Lord Sandhurst | 825 c61GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am grateful for the Minister’s observations. I listened to his assurances and the iss...


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Lord Mann | 825 c61GC (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Mann

29: Clause 1, page 3, line 13, at end insert—

“(ca) an expla...

Lord Mann | 825 cc61-4GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, in moving Amendment 29 I shall speak to the three amendments in my name; they are ident...

Baroness Falkner of Margravine | 825 c64GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, first, I want to refer to the remarks of the Minister to clarify something; I have not ...

Lord Mann | 825 c64GC (Link to this contribution)

I am absolutely categorical that the drowning out and breaking up of a meeting would not be accep...

Baroness Falkner of Margravine | 825 c65GC (Link to this contribution)

I think the noble Lord does not quite appreciate how qualified Article 10 rights are under the Eu...

Lord Grabiner | 825 c65GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I will be brief. In his remarks, the noble Lord, Lord Mann, gave some extremely signifi...

Lord Moylan | 825 cc65-6GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I take great pleasure in speaking immediately after the noble Lord, Lord Mann, and othe...

Lord Smith of Finsbury | 825 c66GC (Link to this contribution)

Might I ask a question of the noble Lord? He spoke about how he was anxious to have the duties un...

Lord Moylan | 825 c66GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, that is not the intention. The use of “particular” arises because universities, both as...

Baroness Fox of Buckley | 825 cc66-9GC (Link to this contribution)

I will speak to Amendment 35, to which I have put my name; it relates to amending the Equality Ac...

Baroness Bennett of Manor Castle | 825 c68GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I will speak to Amendment 69 from the noble Lord, Lord Sandhurst. The Committee will no...

Lord Sandhurst | 825 cc68-70GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am grateful for the support that has already been given to Amendment 69 by the noble ...

Baroness Smith of Newnham | 825 cc70-1GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, on this occasion I speak as myself—I do not think I have to go quite as far as the nobl...

Lord Smith of Finsbury | 825 cc71-2GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I remind the Committee of my declaration of interest as master of Pembroke College, Cam...

Baroness Fox of Buckley | 825 c72GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I think the difficulty here—this goes back to our earlier discussions—is around what th...

Lord Smith of Finsbury | 825 c72GC (Link to this contribution)

I think we are entering dangerous territory if we seek to argue that one bit of law is more impor...

Lord Moylan | 825 cc72-3GC (Link to this contribution)

I think the noble Lord slightly missed the point made by the noble Baroness, Lady Fox of Buckley....

Lord Smith of Finsbury | 825 c73GC (Link to this contribution)

I would not fundamentally disagree with either the noble Lord or the noble Baroness about the fre...

Baroness Falkner of Margravine | 825 cc73-4GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I declare an interest as chair of the Equality and Human Rights Commission, as Amendmen...

Lord Collins of Highbury | 825 cc74-5GC (Link to this contribution)

This has been a really informative debate. Fundamentally, the noble Baroness, Lady Falkner, has s...

Earl Howe | 825 cc75-6GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, as we have heard, this group brings together a series of amendments that seek to clarif...

Lord Mann | 825 c76GC (Link to this contribution)

I thank the Minister but, to clarify, the case I cited was not stopped by Prevent. Prevent was in...

Earl Howe | 825 cc76-7GC (Link to this contribution)

I was making the point that the case he used to illustrate the issue would have been likely to en...

Lord Mann | 825 c77GC (Link to this contribution)

I beg leave to withdraw the amendment.

Lord Moylan | 825 c78GC (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Moylan

31: Clause 1, page 3, leave out lines 32 to 36 and insert “have ...

Lord Moylan | 825 cc78-9GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I rise to continue my minute and curious search for means by which the Bill might achie...

Baroness McIntosh of Hudnall | 825 c79GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I should notify the Committee that, if this amendment is agreed to, I will be unable to...

Lord Willetts | 825 cc79-81GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, perhaps this is the moment at which I might intervene on Amendments 33 and Amendments 5...

Baroness Chakrabarti | 825 cc81-2GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I will briefly probe the amendment of the noble Lord, Lord Moylan, and probe the Minist...

Earl Howe | 825 c82GC (Link to this contribution)

I am not sure the noble Baroness was in the Committee when I covered that very point quite near t...

Baroness Fox of Buckley | 825 cc82-4GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am very much in favour of Amendment 31. To put a different emphasis on it from what t...

Lord Hope of Craighead | 825 c84GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I hesitate to intervene in this debate as I am not an academic. I look on the wording o...

Baroness Smith of Newnham | 825 c84GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, from these Benches we have relatively little to add. I strongly support what the noble ...

Lord Willetts | 825 c85GC (Link to this contribution)

Briefly, the debate we have just had shows why the amendments are necessary. They do not change t...

Baroness Chakrabarti | 825 c85GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I forgot to declare my interests as a visiting professor of practice at the LSE and in ...

Baroness Thornton | 825 c85GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am not going to say very much because this debate has covered most of the ground that...

Lord Grabiner | 825 cc85-6GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I will be very brief. On the point made a moment ago by the noble Baroness, one of the ...

Earl Howe | 825 cc86-8GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, this group of amendments relates to duties and powers to promote freedom of speech unde...

Lord Moylan | 825 cc88-9GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am grateful to all noble Lords who have spoken in this debate. I hope they will forgi...

Baroness Chakrabarti | 825 c89GC (Link to this contribution)

I congratulate the noble Lord, if I may—he congratulated his noble friend in what became an absol...

Lord Moylan | 825 c89GC (Link to this contribution)

I have to say that I am sinking in sympathy on the general principle in this Committee, which is ...

Baroness Smith of Newnham | 825 c89GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, surely there is a difference between something that is appropriate as guidance, where r...

Lord Moylan | 825 c90GC (Link to this contribution)

It is absolutely clear that of course there is a difference between guidance and Henry VIII power...

Lord Willetts | 825 c90GC (Link to this contribution)

Tabled by

Lord Willetts

33: Clause 1, page 3, line 36, at end insert “, having due re...

Lord Willetts | 825 c90GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I would like briefly to—

Baroness McIntosh of Hudnall | 825 c90GC (Link to this contribution)

I should point out to the noble Lord that if he wishes to speak again on his amendment then I wil...

Lord Willetts | 825 c90GC (Link to this contribution)

I will resist. I shall not move the amendment, and I look forward to further exchanges.

Lord Moylan | 825 c91GC (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Moylan

34: Clause 1, page 3, line 36, at end insert—

“A4 Duty to ...

Lord Moylan | 825 cc91-2GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I struggle on, looking for the prospect of meaningful change. In this case, unlike the ...

Lord Sikka | 825 cc92-5GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, it is a great pleasure to follow the noble Lord, Lord Moylan, on this. He mentioned mon...

Lord Triesman | 825 c93GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I can probably do this quite briefly. These are very helpful amendments, which illustra...

Baroness Smith of Newnham | 825 cc93-6GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I realise that people have been declaring interests at various points during proceeding...

Lord Stevens of Birmingham | 825 cc96-7GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I should take the noble Baroness’s prompt and declare my interest as an honorary fellow...

Baroness Fox of Buckley | 825 cc97-8GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I really welcome the contributions of the noble Lords, Lord Sikka and Lord Moylan, on t...

Baroness Chakrabarti | 825 c98GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, like the noble Baroness, Lady Smith of Newnham, I would be grateful for guidance from s...

Baroness Finlay of Llandaff | 825 c99GC (Link to this contribution)

For clarification, it seems that it is once for the Committee stage rather than each time we spea...

Baroness Chakrabarti | 825 c99GC (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful to the Deputy Chairman. I hope the Committee will forgive my ignorance; I hope that...

Baroness Falkner of Margravine | 825 cc99-100GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, on this occasion, I declare my interest as chair of the Equality and Human Rights Commi...

Lord Willetts | 825 cc100-1GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I will briefly make three comments on this debate; I realise that I will not occupy the...

Lord Collins of Highbury | 825 c101GC (Link to this contribution)

Does the noble Baroness not wish to speak?

Baroness Smith of Newnham | 825 c101GC (Link to this contribution)

I think I have said everything that needed to be said from these Benches.

Lord Collins of Highbury | 825 cc101-2GC (Link to this contribution)

I was tempted to declare my own interest as an assistant general secretary of a trade union that ...

Lord Collins of Highbury | 825 c102GC (Link to this contribution)

Yes. Then we get into a much bigger question, which for me is the most important political questi...

Earl Howe | 825 cc102-3GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, this group of amendments relates to impartial research funding. Amendment 34 in the nam...

Lord Moylan | 825 c103GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, given the hour, I will be brief on this occasion. I am grateful to my noble friend the ...

Baroness Smith of Newnham | 825 c104GC (Link to this contribution)

I did not say from these Benches that it was too big to be included. I suggested that there needs...

Lord Moylan | 825 c104GC (Link to this contribution)

I am very grateful for that clarification, which I take as an encouragement to myself and the nob...

Lord Sikka | 825 c104GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, if I may respond to some of the points—

Baroness Finlay of Llandaff | 825 c104GC (Link to this contribution)

For the convenience of the Committee, the noble Lord, Lord Moylan, has already withdrawn his amen...

Baroness Garden of Frognal | 825 cc104-5GC (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Baroness Garden of Frognal

47: Clause 3, leave out Clause 3 and insert the f...

Baroness Garden of Frognal | 825 cc105-6GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I will also speak to the Clause 7 stand part notice in my name and that of my noble fri...

Lord Triesman | 825 cc106-8GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, this is probably the only appropriate place to raise this point. There was a debate ear...

Baroness Fox of Buckley | 825 cc107-110GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I thought long and hard about how to approach this debate because I support the autonom...

Lord Smith of Finsbury | 825 c110GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I should probably have declared an interest when I spoke earlier, not just as the maste...

Baroness Thornton | 825 c111GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, my main regret about this debate is that my noble friend Lord Triesman did not mention ...

Earl Howe | 825 cc111-2GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, Amendment 47 in the names of the noble Baroness, Lady Garden of Frognal, and her collea...

Baroness Thornton | 825 c112GC (Link to this contribution)

I need some clarification from the noble Earl. I suspect that most of the things that have caused...

Earl Howe | 825 c113GC (Link to this contribution)

I take the noble Baroness’s point. Those societies will be expected to abide by a code of practic...

Lord Triesman | 825 c113GC (Link to this contribution)

To be very clear, I have no difficulty at all with the concept that people in student unions who ...

Earl Howe | 825 c113GC (Link to this contribution)

I would hope that a rugby club would not be responsible for inviting somebody to talk about gende...

Lord Collins of Highbury | 825 c113GC (Link to this contribution)

The Minister is completely wrong about that. It is highly likely that they would, because there i...

Earl Howe | 825 c114GC (Link to this contribution)

I bow to the noble Lord’s superior knowledge on this. If noble Lords will allow, I will conclude....

Baroness Garden of Frognal | 825 c114GC (Link to this contribution)

I thank the Minister very much for his reply and all those who have spoken in this short debate. ...

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