Police, Crime, Sentencing and Courts Bill

My Lords, I was listening with great interest to the noble Lord, Lord Paddick. It was a very good...

My Lords, I thank the noble Lords, Lord Paddick and Lord Coaker, for speaking to these amendments...

I have a quick question, because I want to be clear about this point in relation to something the...

It is always dangerous to talk about specific cases but, if the knife has not been used in the co...

But it was on their person.

If the Sikh was going about his business with his knife in his pocket, he would have reasonable e...

Could I further clarify what the Minister has just said? If the Sikh becomes involved in a fight ...

My Lords, I have just fallen into a trap that I do not like to fall into, which is to take on spe...

This is Committee and it is important to get this clear. My clear understanding of the legislatio...

What I can clarify is that I will not take theoretical cases again. But the court would need to c...

The Minister might want to take some advice on this, but I think the relevant piece of legislatio...

I think I backtracked quite a bit to say that the courts would then make the judgment call on whe...

Perhaps I may just add that it seems so widely drawn that the first condition, in proposed new su...

It is no problem at all; this is Committee, where we clarify these issues. But I think it is fair...

An interesting criminal law debate is developing and I cannot resist joining in. I very respectfu...

I thank my noble friend—and he is my noble friend because he has come to my rescue time and again...

Perhaps I could just say that those examples should include, if they are right, non-violent offen...

I will most certainly do that. So this is offences where the knife is not actually deployed and t...

I have no wish to get the noble Baroness into more difficulties, but the problem arises because s...

I think I need to reflect further on what noble Lords have said. I will try to answer the noble L...

I am sorry, but that is not what the proposed law says. It does not talk about when there is a fi...

What I am saying, and what I said earlier, is that it will be up to the courts to decide whether ...

First, I want to thank the Minister and do not want her to think any of this is meant to be aggre...

We have covered a spectrum of different types of offending and behaviour. We must not forget that...

My Lords, I thank the Minister. My amendment takes out the part that states that a person “ought ...

I completely understand that point it in the context of the previous debate. One of the things th...

My Lords, I thank all noble Lords for their contributions to this group, particularly the noble L...

Moved by

Lord Paddick

231A: Clause 140, page 130, line 46, leave out from beginning t...

My Lords, I move Amendment 231A in my name and speak to the other amendments in this group. These...

These are good amendments that the noble Lord, Lord Paddick, has tabled because, as he said, they...

My Lords, I propose to deal with just one amendment, Amendment 233, which is concerned with the d...

My Lords, as the noble Lord, Lord Paddick, has explained, this group of amendments deals with fur...

My Lords, I am again grateful to the noble Lord, Lord Coaker, for his support on the duration of ...

Moved by

Baroness Williams of Trafford

232: Clause 140, page 131, line 34, at end ins...

My Lords, the noble Baroness, Lady Brinton, will be taking part remotely in debate on the followi...

Moved by

Lord Marks of Henley-on-Thames

240A: After Clause 163, insert the following ...

My Lords, Amendments 240A and 259C in my name and that of my noble friend Lord German, who has ha...

My Lords, I will speak briefly in support of Amendment 240A and to agree with everything my noble...

My Lords, I support Amendments 240A and 259C, so comprehensively introduced by the noble Lord, Lo...

My Lords, I absolutely love this amendment—that is probably the kiss of death for it, so I am sor...

My Lords, although we have equality—quite rightly—there is no doubt that women need to be dealt w...

My Lords, I add my support to these amendments. Will the Minister, when he comes to reply, agree ...

My Lords, my role as a loyal government Back-Bencher is to help my noble friend the Minister, and...

We on this side of the Committee strongly support these excellent amendments. The Youth Justice B...

My Lords, as the amendments’ explanatory statements make clear, and as the noble Lord, Lord Marks...

My Lords, I am very grateful for the support of noble Lords from around the House for the proposa...

Moved by

Earl Attlee

241: After Clause 164, insert the following new Clause—

“T...

My Lords, I have already sent a detailed paper to most noble Lords. I would like to make it clear...

My Lords, I like many elements of the proposal from the noble Earl, Lord Attlee. We all know that...

My Lords, I have some sympathy for the noble Earl’s amendment because of two experiences of mine....

My Lords, perhaps I may respond to what noble Lords have said. The noble Baroness, Lady Jones of ...

My Lords, I will not address the detail of the noble Earl’s amendment, but I agree with the noble...

My Lords, I join noble Lords in commending the noble Earl for the effort and work that he has put...

My Lords, the amendment from my noble friend Lord Attlee would seek to introduce a new sentence o...

My Lords, I am very grateful for the response of all noble Lords in this short debate. I would te...

Moved by

Baroness Butler-Sloss

242: After Clause 164, insert the following new Clause...

My Lords, picking up on what the Minister said about rehabilitation, this is a probing amendment;...

My Lords, I support the probing Amendment 242 from the noble and learned Baroness, Lady Butler-Sl...

My Lords, I had a very sheltered upbringing: I do not know where I could get any recreational dru...

My Lords, we support this amendment from the noble and learned Baroness, Lady Butler-Sloss. As sh...

My Lords, this probing amendment from the noble and learned Baroness, Lady Butler-Sloss, would re...

My Lords, I thank those who have spoken in this short debate. I say to the Minister and the noble...

My Lords, I oppose the Question that Clause 165 stand part of the Bill; I seek not to add but to ...

I have added my name to the noble Earl’s opposition to Clause 165. I understand that jury service...

My Lords, I participate in this debate and support this amendment with personal reluctance. I thi...

My Lords, I ask the Committee to forgive me for using legal language. Some years ago, I had a cas...

My Lords, I do not think I can add very much to the points that have already been made on the dif...

My Lords, this is a very difficult issue and one on which I would normally expect to find myself ...

My Lords, there have been some very strong speeches from some very eminent lawyers, talking about...

I would like to quickly pick up on one thing the noble and learned Lord, Lord Hope, touched on, w...

My Lords, this was an especially thoughtful and constructive debate. I agree with the words that ...

I ask this question out of ignorance. Can the Minister confirm what the noble Lord, Lord Thomas o...

I was going to come to that point, but let me deal with it now. BSL is treated as a language. It ...

My Lords, first I pay tribute to my noble friend for his response to our concerns. When I read th...

Moved by

Lord Wolfson of Tredegar

243: Clause 167, page 187, line 13, after “court” i...

My Lords, these amendments in my name make two straightforward revisions which will allow these p...

I shall speak to Amendment 259B in my name and those of the noble Lord, Lord Marks, and the noble...

My Lords, I do not wish to be taken as suggesting that what works well in Scotland should necessa...

My Lords, despite Covid—I know it is not over yet, but despite the 18 months we have had—I have n...

My Lords, there are a number of amendments in this group to which I would like to speak. The nobl...

My Lords, I am sorry to speak after the noble Lord, Lord Ponsonby. I wanted to hear what he had t...

My Lords, the Committee will know that, as a non-lawyer, I very often attend these debates becaus...

My Lords, there is a great deal to be said for the need for justice to be done, as the noble Lord...

My Lords, I am grateful again to the Committee for a very interesting and wide-ranging debate. I ...

I am grateful to the Minister. Can he say whether there has ever been such a case?

While I ...

Absolutely. I do not disagree that face to face is better; no doubt that is what we all feel in t...

Moved by

Lord Wolfson of Tredegar

244: Clause 167, page 187, line 15, leave out “the ...

In calling Amendment 245, I must point out that, if it is accepted, I cannot call Amendment 245A ...

Moved by

Lord Wolfson of Tredegar

245: Clause 167, page 187, line 17, leave out from ...

Moved by

Lord Wolfson of Tredegar

246: Clause 167, page 188, line 15, leave out from ...

Moved by

Lord Wolfson of Tredegar

256: Clause 168, page 190, line 26, at end insert—<...

Moved by

Lord Wolfson of Tredegar

260: Schedule 19, page 281, line 12, leave out para...

Moved by

Lord Wolfson of Tredegar

262: After Clause 170, insert the following new Cla...

Moved by

Lord Coaker

263: After Clause 170, insert the following new Clause—

“O...

My Lords, it is good to stand to move this important amendment here this evening. I declare my pr...

My Lords, I offer strong support for adding a new power to this Bill to try to stop the disgracef...

My Lords, I support the general thrust of what has been said. We have heard from a remarkable coa...

My Lords, I shall speak to Amendment 263, to which I was pleased to attach my name. I thank the n...

My Lords, I very much agree with noble Lords who have said so much about the retail workers on wh...

My Lords, in some respects similarly to the noble Lord, Lord Beith, I come to this debate with an...

I was not going to speak in this debate but, very briefly, as the police have been mentioned, I s...

I thank the noble Lord, Lord Coaker, for his clear outline of the problem at the beginning of the...

My Lords, I am very grateful to the noble Lord, Lord Coaker, and my noble friend Lady Neville-Rol...

I thank the Minister for her response. I am an optimistic person by nature and I thought that the...

Moved by

Lord Coaker

265: After Clause 170, insert the following new Clause—

“R...

My Lords, a couple of hours ago I received apologies from the noble Baroness, Lady Meacher, who i...

My Lords, I speak in support of Amendment 265. I am very sorry that the noble Baroness, Lady Meac...

My Lords, I support this amendment. I apologise for not speaking on the subject earlier. The Bill...

My Lords, again, I was not going to speak in this debate, but it is important for me to share my ...

My Lords, we have already had an extensive debate so I will be brief. I must note that I have hea...

My Lords, I realise that I am breaching protocol because I was not here at the beginning of the d...

My Lords, I agree with everything that has been said. One of the most obvious applications for re...

Restorative justice is a very wide issue, and one should not think that because it does not work ...

My Lords, we welcome this amendment and the opportunity to discuss restorative justice. We are ve...

My Lords, I thank the noble Lord, Lord Coaker, for proposing the amendment in the name of the nob...

I thank the Minister for his reply and for the way in which he tried to answer the various questi...

Moved by

Lord Cashman

266: After Clause 170, insert the following new Clause—

“...

My Lords, I speak in favour of Amendments 266 and 267 and pay tribute to the work of my noble fri...

My Lords, I endorse all that my noble friend Lord Cashman has just said. We have been close allie...

My Lords, I rise to briefly and extremely humbly speak on behalf of my noble friend Lady Jones of...

My Lords, we support these amendments, so ably proposed by the noble Lord, Lord Cashman, supporte...

My Lords, my noble and learned friend Lord Falconer also added his name to this amendment. We cle...

My Lords, it is about three minutes to the witching hour and I am absolutely delighted to be able...

My Lords, I thank all noble Lords who have spoken and pay tribute to the Minister, my noble frien...