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Armed Forces Bill

Debate on bills and Committee proceeding on Wednesday, 27 October 2021, in the House of Lords, led by Baroness Goldie.
Lords Committee stage first day. Clauses 1 and 2 agreed to. Schedule 1, as amended, and clauses 3 to 8 agreed to. Clause 9, as amended, agreed to. Schedule 2, as amended, agreed to.
Type
Parliamentary proceeding
Reference
815 cc145-206GC 
Session
2021-22
Department
Ministry of Defence
Legislative stage
Committee stage
Chamber / Committee
House of Lords Grand Committee
Armed Forces Bill 2019-21 to 2021-22. Brought from the Commons.
Wednesday, 14 July 2021
Bills
House of Lords
Deposited Paper DEP2021-0885
Tuesday, 16 November 2021
Deposited papers
House of Lords
Deposited Paper DEP2021-0886
Tuesday, 16 November 2021
Deposited papers
House of Lords
Proceeding contributions
Baroness Watkins of Tavistock | 815 c145GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, Members are encouraged to leave some distance between themselves and others and to wear...

Baroness Goldie | 815 c145GC (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Baroness Goldie

1: Schedule 1, page 40, line 9, at end insert—

“(3A) A...


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Baroness Goldie | 815 cc145-7GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, it is a great pleasure to join you in Committee this afternoon to discuss amendments to...

Lord Thomas of Gresford | 815 cc147-8GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I thank the Minister for seeing me and my noble friend Lady Smith yesterday, when we ha...

Lord Thomas of Cwmgiedd | 815 cc148-9GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, in the light of the very full observations made by the noble Lord, Lord Thomas of Gresf...

Lord Lancaster of Kimbolton | 815 cc149-150GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I will contribute briefly. I will not say this every time, but of course I start by dec...

Lord Tunnicliffe | 815 c150GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, as we begin Committee on this important legislation, I stress to all sides that we must...

Baroness Goldie | 815 cc150-2GC (Link to this contribution)

First, I thank your Lordships for your contributions. I will start by responding to the noble Lor...

Lord Thomas of Gresford | 815 cc152-3GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I admire the loyalty expressed by the noble Lord, Lord Lancaster, who is concerned abou...

Lord Thomas of Gresford | 815 c153GC (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Thomas of Gresford

5: Clause 7, page 4, line 27, at end insert—

“...

Lord Thomas of Gresford | 815 cc153-4GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, prior to 2006, charges of murder, manslaughter and rape committed in the United Kingdom...

Lord Thomas of Cwmgiedd | 815 cc154-7GC (Link to this contribution)

I fully support the noble Lord, Lord Thomas of Gresford, on the first of these amendments but, be...

Lord Craig of Radley | 815 cc158-9GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I shall speak to my contention that Clause 7 should not stand part. It is a probing ame...

Lord Morris of Aberavon | 815 cc159-160GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, the two proposals before the Committee in this group have the same aim: so far as serio...

Lord Coaker | 815 cc160-2GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I start my first contribution in Committee by thanking the Minister and her officials f...

Baroness Bennett of Manor Castle | 815 cc162-3GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I beg the Committee’s indulgence. This is my first time back in this Room, and I am afr...

Baroness Goldie | 815 cc163-4GC (Link to this contribution)

First, I want to thank your Lordships for what has been a profound and stimulating discussion. I ...

Baroness McIntosh of Hudnall | 815 c164GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, it might help if everybody knew that the noble Baroness, Lady Brinton, who is intending...

Baroness Goldie | 815 cc165-172GC (Link to this contribution)

I shall leave that to those who are much more technically gifted than I am to resolve.

I sa...

Lord Morris of Aberavon | 815 c170GC (Link to this contribution)

On the point about circuit judges being allowed to try these very serious offences, will they be ...

Baroness Goldie | 815 c170GC (Link to this contribution)

The noble and learned Lord makes a good point. Obviously at the heart of this is making the servi...

Lord Thomas of Cwmgiedd | 815 c170GC (Link to this contribution)

I want to ask about two matters. First, I raised the point about judicial review but I also raise...

Baroness Goldie | 815 c170GC (Link to this contribution)

I certainly undertake to look at Hansard and endeavour to frame a response to the noble and learn...

Lord Thomas of Gresford | 815 cc170-4GC (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful to the Minister for the very careful and thorough way she addressed these amendment...

Lord Coaker | 815 c174GC (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Coaker

8: Clause 8, page 9, line 17, at end insert—

“(d) a releva...

Lord Coaker | 815 cc174-6GC (Link to this contribution)

We are getting used to various constituencies. I expect the Minister to come forward with Scottis...

Lord Lexden | 815 c175GC (Link to this contribution)

Does the noble Lord intend to move his amendment?

Lord Coaker | 815 c175GC (Link to this contribution)

I apologise—I thought I had. I beg to move.

Baroness Brinton | 815 cc175-8GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I first apologise for the technical glitch. This is the first week of new remote contri...

Baroness Smith of Newnham | 815 cc178-9GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I will speak to my Amendment 65 and to Amendment 64. Like my noble friend Lady Brinton,...

Lord Lancaster of Kimbolton | 815 cc179-180GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I shall speak briefly to this group. I have no fundamental objection in principle to ex...

Viscount Brookeborough | 815 cc180-1GC (Link to this contribution)

I must apologise for not being here at Second Reading when I was unable to come over from Norther...

Baroness Goldie | 815 cc181-5GC (Link to this contribution)

Once again, I thank noble Lords for a stimulating and interesting debate. I appreciate the contri...

Lord Craig of Radley | 815 c185GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, before the Minister sits down, I refer her back to her earlier comments about the addit...

Baroness Goldie | 815 c186GC (Link to this contribution)

As the noble and gallant Lord knows, I have the greatest respect for him. I have no doubt whateve...

Viscount Brookeborough | 815 c186GC (Link to this contribution)

Before the Minister sits down, I thank her for everything she said and for being so open-minded. ...

Baroness Goldie | 815 cc186-7GC (Link to this contribution)

I can understand why the noble Viscount articulates that point. If we draw a distinction between ...

Lord Coaker | 815 cc187-8GC (Link to this contribution)

I thank the Minister for a very constructive reply. While she was responding, I looked again at t...

Lord Coaker | 815 c188GC (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Coaker

9: Clause 8, page 9, line 18, at end insert—

“(za) the Sec...

Lord Coaker | 815 cc188-9GC (Link to this contribution)

This amendment again applies to the covenant. I thank the noble and learned Lord, Lord Mackay, an...

Baroness Brinton | 815 c189GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I have added my name to Amendment 9. As the noble Lord, Lord Coaker, has already said, ...

Lord Mackay of Clashfern | 815 cc190-1GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I have put my name to the amendment because I think it is extremely important. The cove...

Lord Craig of Radley | 815 c191GC (Link to this contribution)

I endorse what the noble and learned Lord has been saying about what was known as Gulf War syndro...

Baroness Smith of Newnham | 815 cc191-2GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I shall be extremely brief because we have had contributions from all parts of the Hous...

Baroness Goldie | 815 cc192-4GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, again this has been a fascinating debate and I arise with trepidation when one of the c...

Lord Mackay of Clashfern | 815 cc194-5GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I never mentioned negligence. I am not suggesting for a minute that there was necessari...

Baroness Goldie | 815 c195GC (Link to this contribution)

I am very grateful to my noble and learned friend for expanding that further. I understand the po...

Baroness Smith of Newnham | 815 c195GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, the noble Baroness’s thinking has not necessary moved on very much from Second Reading,...

Baroness Goldie | 815 c195GC (Link to this contribution)

With the greatest respect, that might seem a tempting analysis of the situation, but the bottom l...

Lord Coaker | 815 cc195-6GC (Link to this contribution)

I thank the Minister for her reply. She is in a bit of trouble on this one. Logically, I do not t...

Lord Lancaster of Kimbolton | 815 c196GC (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Lancaster of Kimbolton

14: Clause 8, page 18, line 28, at end insert—

Lord Lancaster of Kimbolton | 815 cc196-8GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I first raised the subject of Amendments 14 and 15 in my name at Second Reading. I hope...

Lord Coaker | 815 c198GC (Link to this contribution)

I am generally supportive of the amendment moved by the noble Lord, Lord Lancaster. He very ably ...

Baroness Goldie | 815 cc198-200GC (Link to this contribution)

I thank my noble friend for tabling this amendment, and I understand his motivation for doing so....

Lord Lancaster of Kimbolton | 815 c200GC (Link to this contribution)

I am of course grateful for my noble friend’s courteous reply. Indeed, if nothing else, having wa...

Baroness Goldie | 815 c200GC (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Baroness Goldie

16: Clause 9, page 19, line 6, leave out paragraph (a) and i...

Baroness Goldie | 815 cc200-1GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, group six comprises Amendments 16 to 37 inclusive. In total, these relate to a minor, t...

Lord Tunnicliffe | 815 c201GC (Link to this contribution)

I accept the Minister’s assurance that this is a wholly technical amendment. If my assistants fin...

Lord Lancaster of Kimbolton | 815 cc201-2GC (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful to be able to contribute briefly on this group, which is an area of particular inte...

Baroness Smith of Newnham | 815 c202GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I wanted to hear the noble Lord, Lord Lancaster, before I spoke because I thought that ...

Viscount Brookeborough | 815 c202GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I want to make one comment. It is slightly out of context but what the noble Lord, Lord...

Baroness Goldie | 815 cc202-3GC (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Baroness Goldie

17: Clause 9, page 19, line 18, leave out “continuous servic...

Baroness Goldie | 815 cc203-6GC (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Baroness Goldie

25: Schedule 2, page 42, line 9, leave out “continuous servi...

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