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Neighbourhood Planning Bill

Debate on bills and Committee proceeding on Tuesday, 31 January 2017, in the House of Lords, led by Lord Bourne of Aberystwyth.
Lords committee stage first day. Clause 1 agreed to as amended. Clauses 2 to 5 agreed to. Schedule 1 agreed to.
Type
Parliamentary proceeding
Reference
778 cc167-228GC 
Session
2016-17
Legislative stage
Committee stage
Procedure
New clauses
Chamber / Committee
House of Lords Grand Committee
Neighbourhood Planning
Monday, 12 December 2016
Written statements
House of Commons
Neighbourhood Planning Bill 2016-17. Brought from the Commons.
Wednesday, 14 December 2016
Bills
House of Lords
Delegated Powers and Regulatory Reform Committee fifteenth report.
Wednesday, 25 January 2017
Parliamentary committees
House of Lords
Proceeding contributions
Baroness Pitkeathley | 778 c167GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, good afternoon. If there is a Division in the Chamber while we are sitting, the Committ...

Baroness Cumberlege | 778 c167GC (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Baroness Cumberlege

1: Before Clause 1, insert the following new Clause—

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Baroness Cumberlege | 778 cc167-170GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I start by declaring an interest: I have a legal case concerning a planning application...

Lord Stunell | 778 c170GC (Link to this contribution)

I declare an interest as a member of a neighbourhood forum in an unparished area at an early stag...

Baroness Andrews | 778 cc170-2GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I support the amendment. The account that we heard from the noble Baroness at Second Re...

Lord Shipley | 778 cc172-3GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I should remind the Committee at the outset that I am a vice-president of the Local Gov...

Lord Greaves | 778 c173GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I should declare my interests again as we begin a new stage of the Bill. I am the deput...

Baroness Pitkeathley | 778 c173GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, there is a Division in the Chamber. This Committee stands adjourned for 10 minutes.

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Lord Greaves | 778 cc173-4GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, this issue is complicated. I think I was referring to the fact that for local authority...

Lord Kennedy of Southwark | 778 cc174-5GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, as this is my first contribution today, I should refer noble Lords to my declared inter...

Lord Bourne of Aberystwyth | 778 cc176-7GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, first I thank the noble Lord, Lord Kennedy, for that build-up about the detail in the r...

Lord Kennedy of Southwark | 778 c177GC (Link to this contribution)

Can the Minister say a little more about why the Government will not accept this proposed new cla...

Lord Bourne of Aberystwyth | 778 c177GC (Link to this contribution)

With respect I think I have explained that the present process provides the right balance of what...

Lord Kennedy of Southwark | 778 c178GC (Link to this contribution)

Just to be clear, nothing that the noble Lord has said in his response means that he would not be...

Lord Bourne of Aberystwyth | 778 c178GC (Link to this contribution)

With respect, I am not entirely surprised. The noble Lord wants this amendment and the Government...

Lord Kennedy of Southwark | 778 c178GC (Link to this contribution)

I do not like to disagree with the noble Lord because I have great respect for him and the work h...

Lord Bourne of Aberystwyth | 778 c178GC (Link to this contribution)

With respect to the noble Lord, I am not sure we are. The noble Lord has been around the planning...

Lord Beecham | 778 cc178-9GC (Link to this contribution)

Perhaps I may raise a slightly different point. The noble Lord has given a sympathetic response t...

Baroness Andrews | 778 c179GC (Link to this contribution)

This point is very similar to the one my noble friend just made. It is very welcome that the Mini...

Lord Bourne of Aberystwyth | 778 c179GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, in response to the points made to the noble Lord, Lord Beecham, and the noble Baroness,...

Lord Kennedy of Southwark | 778 c179GC (Link to this contribution)

I am very happy that the Secretary of State retains an overarching position. That is absolutely r...

Lord Bourne of Aberystwyth | 778 c179GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, we have to be careful that we do not lose sight of the importance of the need for fresh...

Lord Greaves | 778 c180GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, this is the important, high-level stuff. I raise what might be called the low-level stu...

Lord Bourne of Aberystwyth | 778 c180GC (Link to this contribution)

Some of these points go well beyond this amendment. Nevertheless, I accept that they are importan...

Baroness Cumberlege | 778 c180GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I thank Members of the Committee for their support for the amendment, which was gratefu...

Baroness Cumberlege | 778 cc181-2GC (Link to this contribution)

I am sorry. I beg the Committee’s pardon; it was the noble Lord, Lord Stunell. The noble Lord ref...

Lord Bourne of Aberystwyth | 778 c182GC (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Bourne of Aberystwyth

2: Clause 1, page 1, line 13, after “(2)(aza)” an...

Lord Bourne of Aberystwyth | 778 cc182-3GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, in speaking to this group, I will focus on important government Amendments 6 and 131, a...

Baroness Cumberlege | 778 c183GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I also have amendments in this group. The first states:

“The Secretary of State m...

Baroness Parminter | 778 cc183-5GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, my Amendment 64 is in this group. I think that is because part of it fits with the Gove...

Lord Taylor of Goss Moor | 778 cc185-6GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I shall speak briefly in support of my noble friend’s Amendment 64. As this is the firs...

Lord Horam | 778 c186GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I will comment briefly on Amendment 64 in the name of the noble Baroness, Lady Parminte...

Baroness Parminter | 778 c186GC (Link to this contribution)

If I answer that question, perhaps the noble Lord might say, if I were to change my amendment to ...

Lord Taylor of Goss Moor | 778 c187GC (Link to this contribution)

It may be helpful to explain the point in time that the noble Baroness has proposed. At the point...

Lord Horam | 778 c187GC (Link to this contribution)

The noble Lord knows far more about these planning details than I do—I concede that. Speaking as ...

Baroness Finn | 778 cc187-8GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I spoke strongly in favour of neighbourhood plans at Second Reading. It is great that t...

Baroness Parminter | 778 c188GC (Link to this contribution)

My understanding is that they cannot do that unless it is a major application. Of course, in rura...

Baroness Finn | 778 c188GC (Link to this contribution)

I concede ignorance but my understanding is that a number of planning applications have been call...

Lord Greaves | 778 c188GC (Link to this contribution)

I have a question for the Minister about Amendment 6, which he spoke to some time ago, while I al...

Lord Shipley | 778 cc188-9GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I found this a very helpful debate and conclude that if not now at some point soon the ...

Lord Beecham | 778 cc189-190GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I declared my interest earlier as a vice-president of the Local Government Association,...

Lord Kennedy of Southwark | 778 c190GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, as we have heard, government Amendments 2, 3 and 4 are additions to Clause 1. The Minis...

Lord Bourne of Aberystwyth | 778 c190GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, first, I will deal—in no particular order—with some of the points that were raised in r...

Lord Greaves | 778 c191GC (Link to this contribution)

In relation to parishes, as opposed to forums, this is just a lot more words but it is no differe...

Lord Bourne of Aberystwyth | 778 c191GC (Link to this contribution)

It will be automatic notification. That is the key point.

Lord Kennedy of Southwark | 778 c191GC (Link to this contribution)

I think the point that the noble Lord, Lord Greaves, made was that it is already automatic for pa...

Lord Bourne of Aberystwyth | 778 cc191-3GC (Link to this contribution)

Yes, but not for neighbourhood forums, I think. It does not make any difference to parish council...

Lord Kennedy of Southwark | 778 c193GC (Link to this contribution)

In respect of the amendments moved by the noble Baroness, Lady Cumberlege, does the Minister expe...

Lord Bourne of Aberystwyth | 778 c193GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, as I have indicated, the intention here is to ensure that we have flexibility because n...

Baroness Cumberlege | 778 c193GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, perhaps I may say first that I welcome very much government Amendment 3 because we are ...

Lord Bourne of Aberystwyth | 778 c193GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I have to be very careful when responding to that question because as I have clearly in...

Baroness Cumberlege | 778 c194GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I thank my noble friend for that. What happens if there is a change through, say, the e...

Lord Bourne of Aberystwyth | 778 c194GC (Link to this contribution)

With respect, I have already given an indication as a lay man in this context as to how this woul...

Lord Kennedy of Southwark | 778 c194GC (Link to this contribution)

The noble Lord has been very helpful. The noble Baroness’s question has highlighted that some sit...

Lord Bourne of Aberystwyth | 778 c194GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I do not agree entirely. I accept the point that it is not always easy at the margins, ...

Lord Bourne of Aberystwyth | 778 cc194-5GC (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Bourne of Aberystwyth

3: Clause 1, page 1, line 22, at end insert —

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Lord Stunell | 778 c195GC (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Stunell

5: Clause 1, page 2, line 3, at end insert—

“( ) In secti...

Lord Stunell | 778 cc195-8GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I start by apologising to the noble Baroness, Lady Cumberlege, for suggesting that she ...

Baroness Cumberlege | 778 c197GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, as has been referred to, my Amendment 20 is in this group. If we are serious about loca...

Baroness Pinnock | 778 cc197-200GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I declare my interest as a vice-president of the Local Government Association and a cou...

Lord Porter of Spalding | 778 cc200-1GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I hope your Lordships will forgive me but I have not spoken in this Room before. It is ...

Lord Kennedy of Southwark | 778 c201GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, the amendment proposed by the noble Lord, Lord Stunell, is one that I am obviously happ...

Lord Bourne of Aberystwyth | 778 cc201-2GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I thank noble Lords who have participated in the debate on the amendments in this group...

Lord Stunell | 778 c202GC (Link to this contribution)

Is the Minister in a position to say how many of those 75 came from neighbourhood plan areas?

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Lord Bourne of Aberystwyth | 778 c202GC (Link to this contribution)

I thank the noble Lord for that intervention. I do not have those facts in front of me but I shal...

Baroness Pinnock | 778 c202GC (Link to this contribution)

I thank the Minister for that clarification. However, what I was seeking to understand was whethe...

Lord Bourne of Aberystwyth | 778 c203GC (Link to this contribution)

I confirm that it applies only to neighbourhood plans. It is just one other reason that it is ver...

Lord Bourne of Aberystwyth | 778 c203GC (Link to this contribution)

I will cover the point in the letter but I am sure that it is the case, as I indicated, in the Wr...

Lord Stunell | 778 c204GC (Link to this contribution)

I thank the Minister for his reply. I also thank the noble Baroness, Lady Parminter, for her supp...

Lord Porter of Spalding | 778 c204GC (Link to this contribution)

Can I clarify that? I did not actually say that; I said some people out on the street are saying ...

Lord Stunell | 778 cc204-5GC (Link to this contribution)

I will let the record stay as it is on that. At Second Reading, I referred to the fact that there...

Lord Bourne of Aberystwyth | 778 cc205-7GC (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Bourne of Aberystwyth

6: After Clause 1, insert the following new Claus...

Baroness Cumberlege | 778 c207GC (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Baroness Cumberlege

6A: After Clause 1, insert the following new Clause—

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Baroness Cumberlege | 778 cc207-9GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I turn to Schedule 1, which has been amended to include new Schedule A2. I have tabled ...

Lord Beecham | 778 c209GC (Link to this contribution)

May I ask the noble Baroness, in reference to Amendment 6B, about the time limit that she has inc...

Baroness Cumberlege | 778 c209GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I accept the suggestion but my concern is that these things can drag on and on, and unl...

Lord Shipley | 778 cc209-210GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I express my support for the amendments in the name of the noble Baroness, Lady Cumberl...

Lord Cameron of Dillington | 778 cc210-1GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I support Amendments 6A and 6B. For the purposes of this Committee, I declare an intere...

Lord Kennedy of Southwark | 778 cc211-2GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I very much support the amendments in this group tabled by the noble Baroness, Lady Cum...

Lord Bourne of Aberystwyth | 778 c212GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, perhaps I may say as I crawl across the minefields in the mist having been battered by ...

Lord Shipley | 778 c212GC (Link to this contribution)

Can the Minister explain what and who it is who will do the prescribing?

Lord Bourne of Aberystwyth | 778 cc213-4GC (Link to this contribution)

The prescribing would certainly be done by the Secretary of State, but obviously the Bill has not...

Baroness Cumberlege | 778 cc214-5GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I thank noble Lords who have taken part in this mini-debate. Some really interesting is...

Baroness Cumberlege | 778 c215GC (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Baroness Cumberlege

7: Clause 2, page 2, line 16, at end insert—

“( ) ...

Baroness Cumberlege | 778 cc215-6GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I understand that the Grand Committee is a place where noble Lords cannot move a Motion...

Lord Shipley | 778 c216GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, the noble Baroness, Lady Cumberlege, has moved a very wise amendment. I hope that the M...

Baroness Scott of Needham Market | 778 c216GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I, too, support the noble Baroness. I assure her that she need not apologise for anythi...

Lord Bourne of Aberystwyth | 778 cc216-7GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I thank my noble friend Lady Cumberlege for moving this amendment. Before I look at the...

Baroness Cumberlege | 778 c218GC (Link to this contribution)

I very much thank the noble Baroness, Lady Scott, and the noble Lord, Lord Shipley, for supportin...

Lord Beecham | 778 c218GC (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Beecham

12: Clause 5, page 5, line 9, at end insert—

“with reason...

Lord Beecham | 778 cc218-9GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, Amendment 12, in my name and that of my noble friend Lord Kennedy, relates to Clause 5,...

Baroness Cumberlege | 778 cc219-220GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, this is my swansong; this is the last time that your Lordships have to endure me. I hav...

Lord Greaves | 778 c220GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I understand the reasons behind this amendment and I sympathise very much with them. Ho...

Baroness Scott of Needham Market | 778 c221GC (Link to this contribution)

In the debate on the last amendment, I raised the question of the community infrastructure levy a...

Lord Bourne of Aberystwyth | 778 cc221-3GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I thank all noble Lords who have participated in the debate on these amendments. I turn...

Lord Beecham | 778 c223GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am grateful to the Minister for his constructive response. I was rather taken with hi...

Lord Greaves | 778 c223GC (Link to this contribution)

We have had this discussion on previous Bills. In my authority, for example, it is not through la...

Lord Beecham | 778 c223GC (Link to this contribution)

I am not suggesting that all local authorities are able or would wish to impose the levy, for the...

Lord Beecham | 778 c224GC (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Beecham

13: After Clause 5, insert the following new Clause—

“App...

Lord Beecham | 778 c224GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, this amendment is in my name and that of my noble friend Lord Kennedy. It deals with re...

Lord Shipley | 778 c224GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I do not support this amendment as it implies that a huge amount of work in developing ...

Baroness Cumberlege | 778 c225GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I share the views that have just been expressed but do so reluctantly as I have had a l...

Lord Stunell | 778 c225GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I was quite surprised to see this amendment, which takes me back to the Commons Committ...

Lord Kennedy of Southwark | 778 cc225-6GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I intervene only briefly because I made reference to turnouts in my speech at Second Re...

Lord Bourne of Aberystwyth | 778 c226GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I thank the noble Lords, Lord Beecham and Lord Kennedy, for raising this matter. I am n...

Lord Shipley | 778 c226GC (Link to this contribution)

Just to assist the noble Lord with further information. In fact, the noble Lord, Lord Kennedy of ...

Lord Bourne of Aberystwyth | 778 c226GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I think we now know why the figure of 40% appears in the amendment.

In all seriou...

Lord Beecham | 778 cc226-8GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, it is interesting to be identified by the Liberal Democrats as having a low polling ach...

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