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Education and Adoption Bill

Debate on bills and Committee proceeding on Tuesday, 10 November 2015, in the House of Lords, led by Lord Nash.
Lords committee stage second day. Clauses 6 to 8 agreed to.
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Parliamentary proceeding
Reference
765 cc445-510GC 
Session
2015-16
Legislative stage
Committee stage
Procedure
New clauses
Chamber / Committee
House of Lords Grand Committee
Education and Adoption Bill 2015-16. Brought from the Commons.
Wednesday, 16 September 2015
Bills
House of Lords
Delegated Powers and Regulatory Reform Committee tenth report.
Wednesday, 28 October 2015
Parliamentary committees
House of Lords
Proceeding contributions
Lord Bichard | 765 c445GC (Link to this contribution)

Welcome to the Grand Committee. If there is a Division in the Chamber, the Committee will adjourn...

Baroness Pinnock | 765 c445GC (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Baroness Pinnock

15: After Clause 6, insert the following new Clause—

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Baroness Pinnock | 765 cc445-7GC (Link to this contribution)

First, I apologise to the Committee for not being able to attend the Second Reading of the Bill b...

Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 765 cc447-9GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I very much welcome the amendment of the noble Baroness, Lady Pinnock. I am not sure wh...

Baroness Hughes of Stretford | 765 c449GC (Link to this contribution)

As well as the fact that, on this particular point, the Education Department seems wholly out of ...

Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 765 cc449-450GC (Link to this contribution)

This is another puzzle because the terms of the agreement with Greater Manchester focus on growth...

Earl of Listowel | 765 cc450-1GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am sorry that I was not able to be present in Grand Committee last week, but I have r...

Lord Sutherland of Houndwood | 765 cc451-2GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I apologise for not being here in the Committee’s session last week. It was for medical...

Baroness Pinnock | 765 c452GC (Link to this contribution)

Perhaps I may help out a bit. What I have proposed in the amendment has nothing to do with delayi...

Lord Sutherland of Houndwood | 765 c452GC (Link to this contribution)

It does, and that is helpful, but it still leaves the question of accountability for finance and ...

Baroness Hughes of Stretford | 765 c452GC (Link to this contribution)

Before the noble Lord’s previous intervention, he seemed to me to be saying, and perhaps he could...

Lord Sutherland of Houndwood | 765 cc452-3GC (Link to this contribution)

The noble Baroness will be pleased to know that that is not what I am saying. I have been an advo...

Baroness Evans of Bowes Park | 765 c453GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, this new clause would allow a local authority to establish a committee to review and sc...

Baroness Pinnock | 765 c453GC (Link to this contribution)

I wonder whether we are at risk of thinking that accountability for children’s education—their on...

Baroness Evans of Bowes Park | 765 cc453-5GC (Link to this contribution)

I mentioned that because the noble Baroness specifically talked about academies suffering financi...

Baroness Massey of Darwen | 765 c455GC (Link to this contribution)

I am sorry to intervene but I am getting rather confused. Did the Minister say that parents can w...

Baroness Massey of Darwen | 765 c455GC (Link to this contribution)

Why is it not the other way round? Why does the RSC not convene a meeting of parents? I am quite ...

Baroness Evans of Bowes Park | 765 c455GC (Link to this contribution)

Indeed, and also teachers. RSCs, for instance, go to meetings in schools to talk with parents abo...

Baroness Massey of Darwen | 765 c455GC (Link to this contribution)

How many of the schools identified for intervention are academies?

Baroness Evans of Bowes Park | 765 c455GC (Link to this contribution)

We gave figures at the last sitting. I do not have them to hand now but can get that information ...

Baroness Massey of Darwen | 765 c455GC (Link to this contribution)

Is the noble Baroness aware that 25% of all failing schools are academies?

Baroness Evans of Bowes Park | 765 c455GC (Link to this contribution)

That is because a number of state-maintained schools have now converted to become academies; so t...

Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 765 c455GC (Link to this contribution)

Is the noble Baroness seriously saying that the only failing academies are ones that have just tr...

Lord Nash | 765 c456GC (Link to this contribution)

The answer to the noble Lord’s question is that we are not saying that, obviously; but as we made...

Baroness Morris of Yardley | 765 c456GC (Link to this contribution)

But it is also agreed that one in seven of the schools that converted from the maintained sector ...

Lord Nash | 765 c456GC (Link to this contribution)

We can bat around statistics on this for ever but, in fact, the converted academies are doing con...

Baroness Morris of Yardley | 765 c456GC (Link to this contribution)

If we are arguing about statistics, will the Minister accept that the one I gave was given in a r...

Lord Nash | 765 c456GC (Link to this contribution)

The noble Baroness is talking about Ofsted grades; I am talking about exam results.

Earl of Listowel | 765 cc456-7GC (Link to this contribution)

Before the Minister responds, perhaps I may say how pleased I am to be reminded of the weight tha...

Baroness Perry of Southwark | 765 cc457-8GC (Link to this contribution)

The noble Earl’s concern for vulnerable children is well known and entirely to his credit, but I ...

Baroness Sharp of Guildford | 765 c458GC (Link to this contribution)

I point out to the noble Baroness that there are also local authority-controlled schools where on...

Baroness Perry of Southwark | 765 c458GC (Link to this contribution)

Absolutely. I would be the first person to say that there are some wonderful maintained schools a...

Baroness Massey of Darwen | 765 c458GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I wonder if I may add something to what the noble Baroness has said. I am glad that she...

Earl of Listowel | 765 c459GC (Link to this contribution)

If I may respond to the noble Baroness, Lady Perry, one listens to the noble Lord, Lord Harris of...

Baroness Pinnock | 765 cc459-460GC (Link to this contribution)

I thank noble Lords for the interesting debate that we have had around accountability. I particul...

Baroness Sharp of Guildford | 765 c460GC (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Baroness Sharp of Guildford

15A: Clause 7, page 6, line 8, at end insert—

Baroness Sharp of Guildford | 765 cc460-1GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, this amendment takes us to Clause 7, which is about failing schools, not coasting schoo...

Lord Watson of Invergowrie | 765 c462GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I support Amendment 15A and I agree with the sentiments espoused by the noble Baroness,...

Baroness Evans of Bowes Park | 765 cc462-3GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I would like to respond to Amendment 15A, tabled by the noble Lord, Lord Storey, and th...

Lord Watson of Invergowrie | 765 c463GC (Link to this contribution)

I thank the Minister for the figures she has just given us but is she saying that there have not ...

Baroness Evans of Bowes Park | 765 c463GC (Link to this contribution)

There are 778 approved sponsors and about 20% are waiting to be matched with schools. The noble L...

Baroness Morris of Yardley | 765 c463GC (Link to this contribution)

I think the issue about how long schools wait before they find a match with a sponsor is very imp...

Baroness Evans of Bowes Park | 765 c463GC (Link to this contribution)

We look for a sponsoring match to happen as quickly as possible but one of the issues that this B...

Baroness Morris of Yardley | 765 c464GC (Link to this contribution)

My question is not about that. Perhaps the Minister will write if she is not in a position to ans...

Baroness Evans of Bowes Park | 765 c464GC (Link to this contribution)

I think it would be best if I wrote to the noble Baroness as I do not have the figures directly t...

Baroness Pinnock | 765 c464GC (Link to this contribution)

What I am concerned about in what I am hearing is that the Minister is suggesting that that does ...

Baroness Evans of Bowes Park | 765 c464GC (Link to this contribution)

I did not say that they did not, but we are talking here about multi-academy trusts and why for f...

Baroness Pinnock | 765 c465GC (Link to this contribution)

Would the Minister therefore support outstanding local maintained schools becoming a sponsor for ...

Baroness Evans of Bowes Park | 765 c465GC (Link to this contribution)

They could certainly become an academy and do that, but they would have to have the same legal st...

Earl of Listowel | 765 c465GC (Link to this contribution)

I was interested in what the Minister said about the sponsorship process. I would be interested t...

Baroness Evans of Bowes Park | 765 c465GC (Link to this contribution)

I am very happy to write to the noble Earl on that point.

Baroness Sharp of Guildford | 765 c466GC (Link to this contribution)

I thank noble Lords who have participated in this debate. Will the Minister clarify one point? I ...

Lord Nash | 765 c466GC (Link to this contribution)

The noble Baroness is right that the key to school improvement is local school-to-school support....

Lord Addington | 765 c466GC (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Addington

16: Clause 7, page 6, line 10, at end insert—

“(4) Afte...

Lord Addington | 765 c467GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, this amendment is an attempt to correct something that I see as rather an error in the ...

Lord Nash | 765 c467GC (Link to this contribution)

I am happy to talk about it now.

Lord Addington | 765 c467GC (Link to this contribution)

Perhaps we can talk about Uplands school at length on Report.

If we go down this path, we w...

Lord Watson of Invergowrie | 765 cc468-470GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I rise to speak to Amendments 17, 21 and 26 to 29 in this group. Amendments 21 and 26 t...

Earl of Listowel | 765 c470GC (Link to this contribution)

I am thinking of, for example, the need to build a children’s home or to produce more affordable ...

Lord Watson of Invergowrie | 765 c471GC (Link to this contribution)

That is an interesting comment by the noble Earl. Flexibility is what I am looking for in this am...

Baroness Massey of Darwen | 765 cc471-3GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I support Amendment 17 onwards. I was sorry to miss such a lot of last Thursday’s consi...

Lord Sutherland of Houndwood | 765 cc472-4GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I cannot but respond to the kind remarks of my noble friend. They were very generous. I...

Baroness Pinnock | 765 c474GC (Link to this contribution)

I feel that I have to put the case for local councillors and their involvement in local education...

Lord Sutherland of Houndwood | 765 cc474-5GC (Link to this contribution)

I agree with the noble Baroness’s diagnosis of what makes a good school. That is true. Children, ...

Baroness Morris of Yardley | 765 cc475-7GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I, too, support Amendment 17 and have great sympathy with the intentions behind Amendme...

Lord Sutherland of Houndwood | 765 c477GC (Link to this contribution)

I shall briefly respond, since I have been challenged on this—and that is good, because I respect...

Baroness Hughes of Stretford | 765 cc478-9GC (Link to this contribution)

I shall speak briefly in support of the amendment. My noble friend said more eloquently than I ca...

Earl of Listowel | 765 c479GC (Link to this contribution)

Before the Minister replies, I want to ask the noble Baroness, Lady Pinnock, if she might help wi...

Baroness Pinnock | 765 c479GC (Link to this contribution)

I am happy to respond. I am still a school governor and many noble Lords will be aware that the g...

Lord Nash | 765 cc479-480GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I will speak to Amendments 16, 17, 21 and 26 to 29, tabled by the noble Lords, Lord Add...

Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 765 c480GC (Link to this contribution)

I am most grateful to the noble Lord for giving way and for his comments. This comes back to the ...

Lord Nash | 765 cc480-1GC (Link to this contribution)

I will try and make it clear again. Our approach to failing and inadequate schools, category 4 sc...

Lord Addington | 765 c481GC (Link to this contribution)

Could the Minister just repeat where that is? That is the real essence of my amendment. Could he ...

Lord Nash | 765 c481GC (Link to this contribution)

It is in the new model funding agreement which is on our website and I can send the noble Lord a ...

Lord Nash | 765 cc481-2GC (Link to this contribution)

RSCs have already shown they can act quickly to bring about improvements. Since September 2014 wh...

Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 765 c483GC (Link to this contribution)

I cannot resist intervening on that. The whole point is that when we have a failing NHS foundatio...

Lord Nash | 765 c483GC (Link to this contribution)

I note the noble Lord’s intervention. He has not disappointed me; we discussed this morning where...

Lord Addington | 765 c483GC (Link to this contribution)

The important thing about Uplands is that it has lost half its teachers. Half the teachers at the...

Lord Nash | 765 cc484-6GC (Link to this contribution)

I am happy to introduce the noble Lord to the people involved in this because the lack of progres...

Baroness Massey of Darwen | 765 c486GC (Link to this contribution)

Will the Minister elucidate two things for me? First, I understand there is a consultation on wha...

Lord Nash | 765 c486GC (Link to this contribution)

The consultation will close on 18 December and we will announce the findings in the spring. Unlik...

Lord Watson of Invergowrie | 765 c486GC (Link to this contribution)

In looking at the document, that is indeed what it says. The Minister, I am sure, would expect th...

Lord Nash | 765 c486GC (Link to this contribution)

We will, of course, take into account the sponsors to the consultation before finalising the regu...

Lord Watson of Invergowrie | 765 c486GC (Link to this contribution)

If that is the case, if the Bill did not become law, what would apply with regard to “coasting” i...

Lord Nash | 765 c486GC (Link to this contribution)

The definition is in the regulations, not in the Bill. That is what we are talking about in the c...

Lord Addington | 765 c487GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, on the definition of “coasting”, I wonder how much the Treasury Bench wishes it had got...

Lord Nash | 765 c487GC (Link to this contribution)

We published the definition in June.

Lord Addington | 765 c487GC (Link to this contribution)

I know, but that is an administrative thing. We should have something in the Bill. Much of this d...

Baroness Sharp of Guildford | 765 cc487-8GC (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Baroness Sharp of Guildford

18: After Clause 7, insert the following new Cla...

Baroness Sharp of Guildford | 765 cc488-9GC (Link to this contribution)

This is a probing amendment and it comes from the Royal College of Speech and Language specialist...

Baroness Perry of Southwark | 765 c489GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am very pleased indeed that the noble Baroness has tabled this probing amendment. I h...

Lord Addington | 765 c489GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, it is always something of a relief when somebody from our Bench beats me to the punch o...

Lord Sutherland of Houndwood | 765 c490GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, as one who can speak but not sing, I shall speak very briefly. I thank the noble Barone...

Earl of Listowel | 765 c490GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, this amendment prompts a question in my mind, which the Minister might be able to write...

Baroness Sharp of Guildford | 765 c490GC (Link to this contribution)

I apologise for speaking again here, but perhaps I may add something. I am the special educationa...

Earl of Listowel | 765 c491GC (Link to this contribution)

I suppose what flows from that is that the educational attainment of other children may not progr...

Baroness Sharp of Guildford | 765 c491GC (Link to this contribution)

I remind the noble Lord that schools receive extra resources for those young people—especially no...

Baroness Hughes of Stretford | 765 c491GC (Link to this contribution)

Before my noble friend Lord Watson speaks, perhaps I may ask a question. This is an important ame...

Lord Watson of Invergowrie | 765 cc491-2GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am not sure which Minister will respond to this debate—I see it will be the noble Bar...

Baroness Evans of Bowes Park | 765 cc492-4GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, Amendment 18, tabled by the noble Baroness, Lady Sharp of Guildford, concerns provision...

Baroness Sharp of Guildford | 765 c494GC (Link to this contribution)

I am very grateful to noble Lords for participating in this debate. I thought it was going to be ...

Baroness Sharp of Guildford | 765 c494GC (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Baroness Sharp of Guildford

19: Clause 8, page 6, line 16, leave out from “c...

Baroness Sharp of Guildford | 765 cc495-6GC (Link to this contribution)

This is me again. I apologise for that. To some extent, we are going over ground on this question...

Lord Watson of Invergowrie | 765 cc496-501GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I shall speak to Amendments 20 and 22 as well as to Clause 8 stand part. We are quite h...

Lord Deben | 765 cc502-3GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I did not intend to intervene in this debate, except from my experience of trying to de...

Baroness Morris of Yardley | 765 cc503-4GC (Link to this contribution)

It is like being in Piccadilly Circus in this Room at the moment. I shall speak briefly to this g...

Lord Nash | 765 cc504-5GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, the group of amendments including Amendment 19 proposed by the noble Lord, Lord Storey,...

Baroness Morris of Yardley | 765 c505GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I cannot allow that to stand. I requested in the previous debate that we did not throw ...

Lord Nash | 765 c505GC (Link to this contribution)

I fully accept that on both sides of the House we want to put the interests of children first. Ma...

Lord Watson of Invergowrie | 765 c506GC (Link to this contribution)

But all this is after the event. He says that sponsors will be keen to engage with parents; yes, ...

Lord Nash | 765 cc506-8GC (Link to this contribution)

As it said in our manifesto, a school will become an academy in these circumstances.

I go b...

Lord Sutherland of Houndwood | 765 c507GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, before the Minister sits down, I make plain that you do not have to be a member of the ...

Baroness Sharp of Guildford | 765 c509GC (Link to this contribution)

I am sorry; I was forgetting that I was the one who originally moved this. I thank the Minister f...

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