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Charities (Protection and Social Investment) Bill [HL]

Debate on bills and Committee proceeding on Wednesday, 1 July 2015, in the House of Lords.
Lords committee stage third day. Clause 13 amendments considered.
Type
Parliamentary proceeding
Reference
762 cc153-208GC 
Session
2015-16
Department
Cabinet Office
Legislative stage
Committee stage
Procedure
New clauses
Chamber / Committee
House of Lords Grand Committee
Charities (Protection and Social Investment) Bill (HL) 2015-16
Thursday, 28 May 2015
Bills
House of Lords
Proceeding contributions
Baroness Harris of Richmond | 762 c153GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, if there is a Division in the Chamber while we are sitting, this Committee will adjourn...

Baroness Hayter of Kentish Town | 762 c153GC (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Baroness Hayter of Kentish Town

14: After Clause 12, insert the following ne...


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Baroness Hayter of Kentish Town | 762 cc153-5GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, the amendment stands in the names of my noble friends Lord Watson of Invergowrie and Lo...

Baroness Pitkeathley | 762 c154GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I support this amendment and speak as the former chief executive of Carers UK, a very s...

Lord Judd | 762 cc154-7GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am very glad that this amendment is before us but I noticed that in introducing it my...

Lord Wallace of Saltaire | 762 c157GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, my name has been mentioned in this debate and perhaps I should intervene. I spent a goo...

Lord Judd | 762 c157GC (Link to this contribution)

Does the noble Lord agree that this is not altogether simple? He and I clearly agree on this impo...

Lord Lea of Crondall | 762 cc158-9GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am happy to be associated with this probing amendment. As I suspected, there is scope...

Lord Hodgson of Astley Abbotts | 762 cc159-160GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, the noble Baroness and some other noble Lords know that I have been asked by the Govern...

Lord Leigh of Hurley | 762 c160GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I declare my interest as a trustee of a number of charities, national and local, a form...

Lord Wallace of Saltaire | 762 c160GC (Link to this contribution)

As the chair of trustees of a musical charity, I would welcome the further conversation that we m...

Lord Leigh of Hurley | 762 c160GC (Link to this contribution)

I thank the noble Lord. I also think that I may have misunderstood the noble Baroness, Lady Hayte...

Lord Bridges of Headley | 762 cc160-3GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I very much welcome this debate. It is exactly the kind of debate that we need to have ...

Baroness Hayter of Kentish Town | 762 cc163-4GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I thank my noble friend and other noble Lords who have spoken in this debate. The Minis...

Lord Lea of Crondall | 762 c164GC (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Lea of Crondall

15: After Clause 12, insert the following new Clause—

Lord Lea of Crondall | 762 cc164-8GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, Section 16(4) of the Charities Act 2011 sets out the commission’s general duties and Sc...

Baroness Hayter of Kentish Town | 762 c168GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I will not add to the case that has been made, but I would like to make a tiny point re...

Lord Bridges of Headley | 762 cc168-170GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I thank the noble Lord, Lord Lea, for the explanation behind his amendment. I shall pic...

Lord Lea of Crondall | 762 c169GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I totally expected that the Minister would be unable to reply to my questions today; th...

Lord Bew | 762 cc169-171GC (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Bew

15A: After Clause 12, insert the following new Clause—

“Damag...

Lord Bew | 762 cc171-2GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, Amendment 15A is in my name and that of the noble Baroness, Lady Deech. The purpose of ...

Baroness Deech | 762 c172GC (Link to this contribution)

I will speak briefly in support of my noble friend Lord Bew. I got interested in this area having...

Lord Gold | 762 cc172-3GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, as the noble Lord, Lord Bew, has said, the purpose of the amendment is to remedy a defi...

Lord Leigh of Hurley | 762 c173GC (Link to this contribution)

I congratulate the noble Lord, Lord Bew, the noble Baroness, Lady Deech, and my noble friend Lord...

Baroness Barker | 762 c174GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am intrigued by the amendment. My response to it, on the basis of about 30 years of w...

Baroness Deech | 762 c174GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I will of course defer to the noble Lord, Lord Gold, who is much more of a lawyer than ...

Lord Watson of Invergowrie | 762 cc174-5GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, we support the amendment in the name of the noble Lord, Lord Bew. Change is needed beca...

Lord Bridges of Headley | 762 cc175-7GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I thank the noble Lord, Lord Bew, and the noble Baroness, Lady Deech, for their explana...

Lord Bew | 762 c176GC (Link to this contribution)

I am very grateful to the Minister for his very full reply. My noble friend Lady Deech and I woul...

Baroness Pitkeathley | 762 c176GC (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Baroness Pitkeathley

15B: After Clause 12, insert the following new Clause—<...

Baroness Pitkeathley | 762 cc176-9GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I again declare my interests as vice-president and patron of several charities, co-chai...

Lord Hodgson of Astley Abbotts | 762 cc178-180GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, the Committee owes a debt of gratitude to the noble Baroness for giving us a chance to ...

Baroness Barker | 762 cc180-1GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I too thank the noble Baroness, Lady Pitkeathley. The funding of the Charity Commission...

Baroness Hayter of Kentish Town | 762 cc181-2GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, all those who have spoken have made the case for the amendment moved by my noble friend...

Lord Bridges of Headley | 762 cc183-5GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I welcome this debate, prompted by the amendment of the noble Baroness, Lady Pitkeathle...

Baroness Pitkeathley | 762 c185GC (Link to this contribution)

I thank the Minister for his thoughtful response and other noble Lords for their similarly valuab...

Baroness Barker | 762 c185GC (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Baroness Barker

16: Clause 13, page 16, line 10, leave out “both” and insert...

Baroness Barker | 762 cc185-7GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, before we start to debate the matters related to social investment in Clause 13, I shou...

Lord Hodgson of Astley Abbotts | 762 cc187-9GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I have three amendments in the group, Amendments 18A, 18B and 20A, which follow the nob...

Lord Wallace of Saltaire | 762 c189GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I agree with much of what the noble Lord has said. Perhaps I may remind him that when I...

Lord Watson of Invergowrie | 762 cc189-191GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am in favour of these amendments. It is important to ensure that the Bill is drafted ...

Lord Bridges of Headley | 762 cc191-3GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am grateful to the noble Baroness, Lady Barker, and the noble Lord, Lord Hodgson, for...

Lord Hodgson of Astley Abbotts | 762 c193GC (Link to this contribution)

We are on to angels on the head of a pin, to be honest; this is very technical. When we have had ...

Lord Bridges of Headley | 762 c193GC (Link to this contribution)

My noble friend takes words out of my mouth. I was about to invite him and the noble Baroness, La...

Baroness Barker | 762 c193GC (Link to this contribution)

I thank all noble Lords who took part in what was a very technical but extremely important discus...

Lord Lea of Crondall | 762 c194GC (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Lea of Crondall

18C: Clause 13, page 17, line 8, at end insert—

“...

Lord Lea of Crondall | 762 c194GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I tabled this amendment to help clarify what Clause 13 is not, as much as what it is. I...

Lord Wallace of Saltaire | 762 cc194-5GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, the noble Lord, Lord Moynihan, and I both have amendments down for Monday’s Committee s...

Baroness Hayter of Kentish Town | 762 c195GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I want to add little to what my noble friend Lord Lea has said, but I do think it is a ...

Lord Bridges of Headley | 762 cc195-6GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I will certainly give this amendment a serious response, and I thank the noble Lord for...

Baroness Hayter of Kentish Town | 762 c196GC (Link to this contribution)

Can the Minister outline the checks that will be made to ensure that the social investment that, ...

Lord Bridges of Headley | 762 c196GC (Link to this contribution)

The noble Baroness makes a good point. The overarching check will be that it meets the twin ends ...

Lord Lea of Crondall | 762 c196GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, it would be going a bit far for me to say that I do not believe a word of this and that...

Lord Hodgson of Astley Abbotts | 762 c197GC (Link to this contribution)

Probably not but I am grateful to the noble Lord for giving way. He is making a case for using ch...

Lord Lea of Crondall | 762 c197GC (Link to this contribution)

Yes, I know the speech. I have great regard for the noble Lord, Lord Hodgson, but my truth is muc...

Baroness Barker | 762 c197GC (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Baroness Barker

19: Clause 1003, page 17, line 18, at end insert “including,...

Baroness Barker | 762 cc197-8GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, after that foray into the wider realms of charity law and purposes, we come back to the...

Lord Cromwell | 762 cc198-201GC (Link to this contribution)

We would all agree in principle that the beneficiaries of a charity should surely be involved as ...

Lord Hodgson of Astley Abbotts | 762 c202GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, perhaps it because it is the end of a long day or because I had a spat with the noble L...

Lord Cromwell | 762 c202GC (Link to this contribution)

Will the noble Lord give way? I thank him for his patience because I could see that he was gettin...

Lord Hodgson of Astley Abbotts | 762 cc202-3GC (Link to this contribution)

Of course it closes the distance between us, but what it does not do is make clear why we need pa...

Lord Cromwell | 762 c204GC (Link to this contribution)

Perhaps I may have one more try at this. I hear what the noble Lord says but I have to say to him...

Lord Watson of Invergowrie | 762 c204GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I was slightly taken aback by the response of the noble Lord, Lord Hodgson of Astley Ab...

Lord Hodgson of Astley Abbotts | 762 c204GC (Link to this contribution)

Does the noble Lord accept that charity trustees now understand that if they are making financial...

Lord Watson of Invergowrie | 762 c205GC (Link to this contribution)

Of course I accept that advice would be taken; advice has been taken with normal investments up t...

Lord Bridges of Headley | 762 cc205-8GC (Link to this contribution)

I thank the noble Baroness, Lady Barker, and the noble Lords, Lord Cromwell and Lord Watson, for ...

Baroness Barker | 762 c208GC (Link to this contribution)

That was a useful go-round. This is a very complex subject and it is extremely helpful to get the...

Viscount Younger of Leckie | 762 c208GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I think this may be a convenient moment for the Committee to adjourn. The Committee is ...

Lord Haskel | 762 c208GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, the Committee stands adjourned.

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