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Small Business, Enterprise and Employment Bill

Debate on bills on Monday, 9 March 2015, in the House of Lords.
Lords report stage (second day). Schedules 1 and 3, Clauses 42-45, 62, 68, 69, 72, 75, 87 and 106, amendments agreed.
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2014-15
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Delegated Powers and Regulatory Reform Committee eleventh report.
Wednesday, 10 December 2014
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Delegated Powers and Regulatory Reform Committee. Thirteenth report.
Thursday, 8 January 2015
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Small Businesses, Enterprise and Employment Bill 2014-15. As amended in Committee.
Wednesday, 28 January 2015
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Delegated Powers and Regulatory Reform Committee nineteenth report.
Wednesday, 4 March 2015
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Deposited Paper DEP2015-0365
Monday, 16 March 2015
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Baroness Neville-Rolfe | 760 c446 (Link to this contribution)

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Baroness Neville-Rolfe

33A: Schedule 1, page 150, line 6, leave out from “ar...

Baroness Neville-Rolfe | 760 cc446-7 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, we come to several sets of amendments on pubs, a subject that has been much debated in ...


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Lord Mendelsohn | 760 c447 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, we are happy to support these government amendments and are grateful to the Minister fo...

Baroness Neville-Rolfe | 760 c447 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am happy to clarify that we will take secondees from the best place possible, which c...

Baroness Neville-Rolfe | 760 c447 (Link to this contribution)

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Baroness Neville-Rolfe

33B: Schedule 1, page 150, line 8, at end insert “to ...

Baroness Neville-Rolfe | 760 c447 (Link to this contribution)

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Baroness Neville-Rolfe

33D: Schedule 1, page 152, line 14, after first “rent...

Baroness Neville-Rolfe | 760 cc448-451 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, in the light of the concerns raised about our government amendments in Committee, I com...

Lord Hodgson of Astley Abbotts | 760 cc452-3 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, in this group I have tabled Amendment 33L in response to government Amendment 33J, to w...

Lord Whitty | 760 cc453-5 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I too have some amendments in this group. The House may be surprised, but I agree with ...

Lord Stoneham of Droxford | 760 c455 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I congratulate the Government on making significant moves with these amendments to deal...

Lord Berkeley | 760 c455 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I support everything that my noble friend Lord Whitty said, but my main reason for risi...

Lord Hodgson of Astley Abbotts | 760 c456 (Link to this contribution)

I said that CAMRA claims that there is a wave of money. I said that there is not; the briefing th...

Lord Berkeley | 760 c456 (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful for that clarification. I do not know whether the noble Lord is aware that a dozen ...

Viscount Ridley | 760 cc456-7 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I declare an interest in that I own two properties that are operated as pubs but they a...

Lord Snape | 760 cc457-8 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I join noble Lords on both sides in welcoming the government amendments and particularl...

Lord Mendelsohn | 760 cc458-463 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I shall speak to Amendment 33Y and cover some other issues. I congratulate the noble Ba...

Baroness Neville-Rolfe | 760 cc459-467 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I thank noble Lords for their contribution to this important debate within this Chamber...

Lord Mendelsohn | 760 c466 (Link to this contribution)

Will the Minister confirm that we may return to matters contained in Amendments 33AS, 33AW, 33AX ...

Baroness Neville-Rolfe | 760 c466 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I was about to make the point that there are concerns on both sides. If the noble Lord ...

Baroness Neville-Rolfe | 760 c466 (Link to this contribution)

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Baroness Neville-Rolfe

33E: Schedule 1, page 153, line 7, leave out “place” ...

Baroness Neville-Rolfe | 760 c466 (Link to this contribution)

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Baroness Neville-Rolfe

33G: Clause 42, page 38, line 29, leave out “as a res...

Lord Stoneham of Droxford | 760 c466 (Link to this contribution)

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Lord Stoneham of Droxford

33H: Clause 42, page 39, line 7, leave out “may” a...

Lord Stoneham of Droxford | 760 cc466-8 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I do not want to detain the House too long on these amendments and have a long argument...

Lord Mendelsohn | 760 c468 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I rise briefly in support of the amendments tabled by the noble Lord, Lord Stoneham, wh...

Baroness Neville-Rolfe | 760 c468 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am afraid that I cannot agree to this amendment. I explained why we could agree to “m...

Lord Stoneham of Droxford | 760 c468 (Link to this contribution)

In that case, is my noble friend going to talk about Amendment 33AR? I will probably have to acce...

Baroness Neville-Rolfe | 760 cc468-470 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I apologise for the confusion. There are a lot of different amendments here and perhaps...

Lord Berkeley | 760 c470 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, could the noble Baroness clarify—I, too, feel that it is a bit complicated—that the fir...

Baroness Neville-Rolfe | 760 c470 (Link to this contribution)

I thank my noble friend Lord Berkeley—

Baroness Neville-Rolfe | 760 c470 (Link to this contribution)

I am sorry; I think he is a friend on this occasion. The noble Lord, Lord Berkeley—I will have to...

Lord Stoneham of Droxford | 760 c470 (Link to this contribution)

I thank my noble friend for the reassurance that we will do these things. On my last amendment, A...

Baroness Neville-Rolfe | 760 c470 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Baroness Neville-Rolfe

33J: Clause 42, page 39, line 8, leave out “falling w...

Lord Mendelsohn | 760 cc470-1 (Link to this contribution)

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Lord Mendelsohn

33M: After Clause 42, insert the following new Clause—

Lord Mendelsohn | 760 cc471-2 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, Amendment 33M makes provision that the Secretary of State may, through secondary legisl...

Lord Hodgson of Astley Abbotts | 760 cc472-4 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I have Amendment 33W in this group. The noble Lord, Lord Mendelsohn, has done us all a ...

Lord Snape | 760 cc474-5 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, following what the noble Lord, Lord Hodgson, has said, I hope that the Minister will do...

Viscount Younger of Leckie | 760 cc475-6 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I shall speak to Amendments 33M and 33W.

In Committee I supported my noble friend...

Baroness Wheatcroft | 760 c476 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, it is clear that pub companies need to be encouraged to invest in their estate: it is a...

Lord Snape | 760 c476 (Link to this contribution)

I apologise for interrupting the noble Baroness so soon in her speech. If there are some happy on...

Baroness Wheatcroft | 760 c476 (Link to this contribution)

I am afraid that I do not have the details of the happy ones because they are obviously getting o...

Lord Hodgson of Astley Abbotts | 760 c476 (Link to this contribution)

My noble friend might like to know that I produced three or four examples for the noble Lord in C...

Baroness Wheatcroft | 760 cc476-7 (Link to this contribution)

I thank my noble friend Lord Hodgson and I support him in his amendment because it finds the bala...

Baroness Neville-Rolfe | 760 c477 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am grateful to the noble Lord, Lord Mendelsohn, and my noble friend Lord Hodgson for ...

Lord Hodgson of Astley Abbotts | 760 c477 (Link to this contribution)

I am not quite clear whether my noble friend said that there was or was not a problem with stamp ...

Baroness Neville-Rolfe | 760 cc478-9 (Link to this contribution)

My noble friend is right: a new agreement would appear to attract costs for tenants, which would ...

Lord Mendelsohn | 760 cc479-480 (Link to this contribution)

I thank the Minister for that reply. It is worth making a few brief points, the first being on th...

Baroness Neville-Rolfe | 760 c480 (Link to this contribution)

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Baroness Neville-Rolfe

33N: Clause 43, page 39, line 18, after “rent” insert...

Baroness Neville-Rolfe | 760 c481 (Link to this contribution)

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Baroness Neville-Rolfe

33X: Clause 43, page 40, line 24, leave out from “to”...

Lord Hodgson of Astley Abbotts | 760 c481 (Link to this contribution)

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Lord Hodgson of Astley Abbotts

33Y: Clause 43, page 40, line 27, at end inse...

Lord Hodgson of Astley Abbotts | 760 cc481-4 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, with Amendment 33Y, we come to the issue of franchises—another great issue that has con...

Lord Snape | 760 c484 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I fear that I am going to miss the dulcet tones of the noble Lord, Lord Hodgson, on the...

Lord Hodgson of Astley Abbotts | 760 c484 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I know that this is Report, not Committee, but if I may say so to the noble Lord, I hav...

Lord Snape | 760 cc484-5 (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful for that clarification; perhaps if the noble Lord had made it at Second Reading we ...

Lord Berkeley | 760 c485 (Link to this contribution)

Could my noble friend clarify whether those investment figures are those quoted by the companies ...

Lord Snape | 760 cc485-6 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, the figures that I gave were the ones that the pubcos themselves published, but I certa...

Lord Mendelsohn | 760 cc486-7 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I shall speak to Amendment 33AZ. I support the Government’s position on this. Before I ...

Baroness Neville-Rolfe | 760 cc487-8 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I thank my noble friend Lord Hodgson for championing the industry. I agree about the im...

Lord Hodgson of Astley Abbotts | 760 cc488-9 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I thought for one wonderful moment that my noble friend was going to agree to put somet...

Baroness Neville-Rolfe | 760 c489 (Link to this contribution)

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Baroness Neville-Rolfe

33Z: Clause 44, page 40, line 31, after “rent” insert...

Baroness Neville-Rolfe | 760 c489 (Link to this contribution)

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Baroness Neville-Rolfe

33AK: Clause 45, page 41, line 23, after “rent” inser...

Baroness Neville-Rolfe | 760 c489 (Link to this contribution)

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Baroness Neville-Rolfe

33AM: Clause 45, page 41, line 27, after “rent” inser...

Baroness Neville-Rolfe | 760 c490 (Link to this contribution)

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Baroness Neville-Rolfe

33AQ: Clause 62, page 49, line 5, after first “rent” ...

Baroness Neville-Rolfe | 760 c490 (Link to this contribution)

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Baroness Neville-Rolfe

33AS: Clause 68, page 51, line 26, at end insert “(wh...

Lord Whitty | 760 c490 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Whitty

33AT: Clause 69, page 51, line 37, leave out “tied pubs” and ins...

Lord Whitty | 760 cc490-1 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, the two amendments in this group deal with the issue of the threshold. I will be as bri...

Lord Hodgson of Astley Abbotts | 760 c491 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, it will not surprise the noble Lord, Lord Whitty, that I urge the Government not to acc...

Baroness Neville-Rolfe | 760 cc491-2 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I thank the noble Lord, Lord Whitty, for his amendment, and for his engagement on these...

Lord Whitty | 760 c492 (Link to this contribution)

I thank the Minister for that response, and particularly for her reassurance on the record on the...

Baroness Neville-Rolfe | 760 c493 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Baroness Neville-Rolfe

33AV: Clause 69, page 51, line 43, at end insert—

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Lord Colwyn | 760 c493 (Link to this contribution)

Before the noble Lord comments on his amendment to the amendment, it may assist the House if I ex...

Lord Whitty | 760 c493 (Link to this contribution)

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Lord Whitty

33AW: Clause 69, line 16, leave out from beginning to “after” i...

Lord Whitty | 760 cc493-4 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I shall not move the amendment, but I want to say a quick word on Amendment 33AY. I was...

Lord Popat | 760 c494 (Link to this contribution)

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Lord Popat

33AAA: Clause 72, page 53, line 25, after second “rent” insert “o...

Lord Popat | 760 c494 (Link to this contribution)

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Lord Popat

34: Clause 75, page 54, line 36, leave out subsection (5)

Lord Popat | 760 c494 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, Amendment 34 is a minor and technical amendment to Clause 75. It will remove subsection...

Baroness Jones of Whitchurch | 760 c494 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am grateful to the noble Lord for giving that explanation. We concur that this is a m...

Lord Mendelsohn | 760 c495 (Link to this contribution)

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Lord Mendelsohn

34A: After Clause 81, insert the following new Clause—

Lord Mendelsohn | 760 cc495-6 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, we have tabled this amendment to add another property dimension to the register of pers...

Baroness Neville-Rolfe | 760 cc496-7 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I thank the noble Lord for tabling the amendment and am grateful to him for providing t...

Lord Mendelsohn | 760 cc497-8 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, there is certain irony in a Government who used the company wrapper on the purchase of ...

Baroness Neville-Rolfe | 760 c498 (Link to this contribution)

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Baroness Neville-Rolfe

35: Schedule 3, page 163, line 30, at end insert “, a...

Baroness Neville-Rolfe | 760 cc498-500 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, this group of amendments responds to recommendations of the Delegated Powers and Regula...

Lord Watson of Invergowrie | 760 c499 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I offer my support to the Government on Amendments 35 and 42; I very much welcome both....

Lord Stevenson of Balmacara | 760 c499 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I simply want to add a little to the comments of my noble friend Lord Watson. In his ty...

Baroness Neville-Rolfe | 760 c499 (Link to this contribution)

I thank noble Lords. I am especially grateful to the noble Lord, Lord Watson, for his support tod...

Lord Watson of Invergowrie | 760 c501 (Link to this contribution)

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Lord Watson of Invergowrie

36: Schedule 3, page 163, line 30, at end insert—...

Lord Watson of Invergowrie | 760 cc501-3 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I begin by again stressing my strong support for the introduction of a register of peop...

Lord Phillips of Sudbury | 760 cc502-4 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, my name stands with that of my noble friend Lord Watson of Invergowrie on these amendme...

Lord Phillips of Sudbury | 760 c504 (Link to this contribution)

Yes, another lawyer. However, it is very striking because that was in the mid-1960s. In fact, the...

Lord Forsyth of Drumlean | 760 c504 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am most grateful to my noble friend for giving way. I confess that I have not followe...

Lord Phillips of Sudbury | 760 c504 (Link to this contribution)

I think that we need a short debate to answer the question that my noble friend poses. However, I...

Lord Naseby | 760 c504 (Link to this contribution)

Can my noble friend honestly say that it will not affect small businesses? “Small business” is in...

Lord Phillips of Sudbury | 760 c505 (Link to this contribution)

I did not say that it would not affect them at all; I said that it would affect very few of them ...

Lord Naseby | 760 c505 (Link to this contribution)

I am sorry to interrupt my noble friend again. He may have been a lawyer periodically dealing wit...

Lord Phillips of Sudbury | 760 c505 (Link to this contribution)

I would not deny for a minute that they know better than the description the noble Lord gave of m...

Lord Flight | 760 c505 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, we touched on this previously. Four million small companies are going to be affected, a...

Lord Phillips of Sudbury | 760 cc505-6 (Link to this contribution)

I have a huge amount of sympathy with the noble Lord pointing out the hypercomplexity of this. I ...

Lord Forsyth of Drumlean | 760 c506 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I will speak briefly against this amendment. Of course, no one could dispute the intent...

Lord Phillips of Sudbury | 760 c506 (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful to the noble Lord for giving way. I do not think that he will find in that impact a...

Lord Forsyth of Drumlean | 760 c506 (Link to this contribution)

The noble Lord is absolutely right, because this is not the Government’s proposal—which is why I ...

Lord Phillips of Sudbury | 760 c507 (Link to this contribution)

I am most grateful to the noble Lord for giving way a second time, and I promise not to intervene...

Lord Forsyth of Drumlean | 760 c507 (Link to this contribution)

I am not sure which bit the noble Lord was saying was not so. He may very well be right in his as...

Lord Popat | 760 c507 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, this is Report and we prefer not to take further interventions.

Lord Forsyth of Drumlean | 760 c507 (Link to this contribution)

I believe that interventions seeking information are allowed once on Report, so I will give way t...

Lord Naseby | 760 c507 (Link to this contribution)

My noble friend might mention the cost of business rates, which are a huge burden to every busine...

Lord Forsyth of Drumlean | 760 cc507-8 (Link to this contribution)

Indeed, but my noble friend must not tempt me to get away from the amendment and from this Bill. ...

Lord Watson of Invergowrie | 760 c508 (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful to the noble Lord for giving way. I always listen to the noble Lord, Lord Forsyth, ...

Lord Forsyth of Drumlean | 760 cc508-9 (Link to this contribution)

My response to that is that it is a fair cop. He is absolutely right that I should have made this...

Baroness Neville-Rolfe | 760 cc509-511 (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful to the noble Lord, Lord Watson, and my noble friend Lord Phillips for these amendme...

Lord Forsyth of Drumlean | 760 c511 (Link to this contribution)

Given the size and scope of the register, can my noble friend say how exactly Companies House wil...

Baroness Neville-Rolfe | 760 cc511-2 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, the point I was making about reporting is that we would extend the annual report, in an...

Lord Naseby | 760 c512 (Link to this contribution)

As I understand my noble friend’s argument, she is saying that her department and other departmen...

Baroness Neville-Rolfe | 760 c512 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, agencies such as Companies House have long-term plans to look at the duties coming down...

Lord Watson of Invergowrie | 760 cc512-4 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, this has been a longer and more vigorous debate than had been anticipated. I feel like ...

Lord Flight | 760 c514 (Link to this contribution)

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Lord Flight

39: Schedule 3, page 166, leave out line 3

Lord Flight | 760 cc514-5 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I suggest that measures like this and other anti money-laundering measures are much mor...

Lord Borwick | 760 cc515-7 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, there is a very significant difference between privacy and secrecy. There could be lots...

Lord Naseby | 760 cc517-8 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I, too, pay tribute to my noble friend on the Front Bench. I thank her for arranging th...

Lord Watson of Invergowrie | 760 c518 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I oppose the amendments in the name of the noble Lord, Lord Flight. Frankly, they are q...

Lord Flight | 760 c518 (Link to this contribution)

My suggestion was that we fell in with the new arrangements, which are not complete but which use...

Lord Watson of Invergowrie | 760 cc518-9 (Link to this contribution)

Yes, but defining what is a proper purpose is simply not achievable. People will ask for informat...

Baroness Neville-Rolfe | 760 cc519-521 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am grateful to the noble Lords, Lord Flight and Lord Borwick, for their amendments. I...

Lord Forsyth of Drumlean | 760 c521 (Link to this contribution)

I apologise for being somewhat behind the curve, but I was trying to think of an example of what ...

Baroness Neville-Rolfe | 760 c521 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, on the face of it, the first part of the noble Lord’s presumption is correct, but I thi...

Lord Naseby | 760 c521 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, before my noble friend sits down, will she clarify the point about the impending EU law...

Baroness Neville-Rolfe | 760 c521 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, we hope that the directive will be agreed in Brussels in the next few months. It is a d...

Lord Flight | 760 cc521-2 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I suggest that what will happen is that the EU directive will come forth and we will be...

Baroness Neville-Rolfe | 760 c522 (Link to this contribution)

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Baroness Neville-Rolfe

42: Schedule 3, page 166, line 31, leave out from “us...

Baroness Neville-Rolfe | 760 cc522-3 (Link to this contribution)

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Baroness Neville-Rolfe

44: Schedule 3, page 168, line 24, at end insert—

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Baroness Neville-Rolfe | 760 c523 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Baroness Neville-Rolfe

54: Clause 87, page 61, line 22, leave out “negative”...

Lord Mendelsohn | 760 c523 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Mendelsohn

56A: After Clause 103, insert the following new Clause—

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Lord Mendelsohn | 760 c524 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I draw attention to my entry in the register of interests, which shows that I have a pr...

Baroness Neville-Rolfe | 760 c525 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I thank the noble Lord. As I outlined in Committee, the Government have overseen a numb...

Lord Mendelsohn | 760 c526 (Link to this contribution)

I thank the Minister for that reply. I was busily writing notes and wondering how I might be able...

Baroness Neville-Rolfe | 760 c526 (Link to this contribution)

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Baroness Neville-Rolfe

57: Clause 106, page 86, line 5, leave out from “inst...

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