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International Development (Official Development Assistance Target) Bill

Debate on bills on Friday, 27 February 2015, in the House of Lords.
Lords report stage. Amendment 1, disagreed to on division (56 to 151). Amendment 21, disagreed to on division (41 to 124). Amendment 25, disagreed to on division (30 to 108).
Type
Parliamentary proceeding
Reference
759 cc1837-1896 
Session
2014-15
Legislative stage
Report stage
Chamber / Committee
House of Lords chamber
Proceeding contributions
Lord Butler of Brockwell | 759 c1837 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Butler of Brockwell

1: Clause 1, page 1, line 2, at beginning insert “S...

Lord Newby | 759 c1837 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I thought it might be to the benefit of the House if I reminded your Lordships of the r...


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Lord Butler of Brockwell | 759 cc1837-8 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, in moving Amendment 1, I make it clear at the outset that I have no objection to the Go...

Lord Lawson of Blaby | 759 cc1838-9 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I give my full support to the amendment that the noble Lord, Lord Butler, has just move...

Lord Davies of Stamford | 759 c1839 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, the noble Lord, Lord Butler, in his normal way, spoke extremely powerfully. His argumen...

Lord Lamont of Lerwick | 759 cc1839-1840 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I know that the mere appearance on the Marshalled List of the dread words “the Treasury...

Lord McConnell of Glenscorrodale | 759 cc1840-1 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I fully endorse and support the two important points made by the noble Lord, Lord Davie...

Lord Howell of Guildford | 759 c1841 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I rise to support this amendment for non-Treasury reasons, which may be a relief to nob...

Lord MacGregor of Pulham Market | 759 cc1841-3 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am very much aware of ex-Treasury Ministers speaking, but nevertheless I want strongl...

Lord Reid of Cardowan | 759 cc1843-4 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I suspect I am in a minority on this side so I start by declaring an interest. I was in...

Lord Ramsbotham | 759 c1844 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I strongly support the point so powerfully made by my noble friend Lord Butler, for rea...

Lord Marlesford | 759 c1844 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am a mere observer of government over quite a long time. Obviously, we all support th...

Lord Armstrong of Ilminster | 759 c1844 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, it is 45 years since I walked out of the Treasury, never to return. However, that was a...

Lord Anderson of Swansea | 759 c1845 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I have no interest to declare save that some of my best friends are in the Treasury. Th...

Viscount Eccles | 759 cc1845-6 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I speak as somebody who was part of the aid programme for a number of years with the Co...

Lord Brown of Eaton-under-Heywood | 759 c1846 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I speak from a position of deep ignorance, having had no relationship with the aid prog...

Lord Forsyth of Drumlean | 759 cc1846-7 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I will make a brief point in response to the point that was made, and the point made by...

Baroness Northover | 759 cc1847-9 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I thank noble Lords for bringing this amendment before us and welcome the level of atte...

Lord Howell of Guildford | 759 c1849 (Link to this contribution)

I am extremely grateful to my noble friend. Before she sits down, will she address the point that...

Baroness Northover | 759 c1849 (Link to this contribution)

Outcomes and results are a major focus of what DfID does; I hope that will reassure the noble Lor...

Lord Purvis of Tweed | 759 cc1849-1851 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I similarly acknowledge the wide experience of those who have put their names to the am...

Lord Butler of Brockwell | 759 cc1851-2 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am very grateful to the noble Lord, Lord Purvis, for his reference to the noble Lord,...

Lord Lipsey | 759 c1852 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Lipsey

2: Clause 1, page 1, line 5, leave out from “Kingdom” to end of ...

Lord Lipsey | 759 cc1852-5 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I very much regret that I was not able to be here to move this amendment in Committee, ...

Lord Lamont of Lerwick | 759 cc1855-6 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I support the amendments in this group, which give effect to the target being achieved ...

Lord Purvis of Tweed | 759 c1856 (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful and I have been listening very carefully to my noble friend. Perhaps he could clari...

Lord Lamont of Lerwick | 759 cc1856-7 (Link to this contribution)

It is not intended to be each year of the five years but an average of or a rolling over the five...

Lord Brooke of Sutton Mandeville | 759 c1857 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, this debate is essentially about flexibility, and this measure is essentially one which...

Lord Purvis of Tweed | 759 c1857 (Link to this contribution)

May I help my noble friend? These amendments consider a rolling average of meeting the target, no...

Lord Brooke of Sutton Mandeville | 759 c1857 (Link to this contribution)

I do not know on what amendment I am going to make this speech if I do not make it on this one. B...

Baroness Williams of Trafford | 759 c1857 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, perhaps I may just ask noble Lords, if they would not mind, to stick to the amendment i...

Lord Brooke of Sutton Mandeville | 759 cc1858-9 (Link to this contribution)

That is certainly what I am about to do. The third MP was my great-grand-uncle, a son of the rich...

Lord Howell of Guildford | 759 c1859 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, this amendment, like the last one, is about more than public expenditure control, impor...

Viscount Eccles | 759 c1859 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, Clause 3(2) states:

“Accordingly, the fact that the duty in section 1 has not bee...

Baroness Northover | 759 c1860 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I entirely understand and appreciate the sentiments behind these amendments as they see...

Lord Forsyth of Drumlean | 759 c1860 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, will my noble friend confirm that the international target is 0.7% but that it is not 0...

Baroness Northover | 759 cc1860-1 (Link to this contribution)

I can inform my noble friend that the DAC measures this on an annual basis. That is why the UK ne...

Lord Purvis of Tweed | 759 c1861 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I do not think that any new arguments have been put forward on Report on these amendmen...

Lord Purvis of Tweed | 759 c1862 (Link to this contribution)

Of course I will because I know that my noble friend enjoys intervening on me. It would be churli...

Lord Forsyth of Drumlean | 759 c1862 (Link to this contribution)

I have to tell him that I can think of better things to do on a Friday morning. He keeps referrin...

Lord Purvis of Tweed | 759 c1862 (Link to this contribution)

My noble friend is repeating a point he put to me in Committee and says from a sedentary position...

Lord Purvis of Tweed | 759 cc1862-3 (Link to this contribution)

Perhaps I may now restore the tone and tenor of the debate and respond to the noble Lord, Lord Br...

Viscount Eccles | 759 c1863 (Link to this contribution)

My noble friend mentioned my name. I hope he will accept the clarification that he did not answer...

Lord Purvis of Tweed | 759 c1863 (Link to this contribution)

I was going to come back and clear up that point. However, I will finish this element first. The ...

Lord Lipsey | 759 cc1863-4 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I thank all noble Lords who participated in this debate. I am sure that the political h...

Lord Lawson of Blaby | 759 c1864 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Lawson of Blaby

16A: Clause 2, page 2, line 15, at end insert—

“(...

Lord Lawson of Blaby | 759 cc1864-5 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, when the noble Lord, Lord Butler, introduced his excellent amendment, he prefaced it by...

Lord Lamont of Lerwick | 759 c1865 (Link to this contribution)

Would my noble friend also agree that the whole phenomenon of remittances has played a major part...

Lord Lawson of Blaby | 759 cc1865-6 (Link to this contribution)

It is certainly true that remittances are important, but I was including them in private capital ...

Lord Forsyth of Drumlean | 759 cc1866-7 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I support my noble friend’s amendment, which I think is an important one, particularly ...

Baroness Northover | 759 cc1867-8 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I thank noble Lords for their amendment, which seeks to require the Secretary of State ...

Lord Reid of Cardowan | 759 c1868 (Link to this contribution)

Perhaps I may clarify one point, which bears upon what the noble Lord, Lord Lawson, said, althoug...

Baroness Northover | 759 c1869 (Link to this contribution)

The noble Lord has it absolutely right. I am saying that there is no dichotomy between them. It i...

Lord Purvis of Tweed | 759 cc1869-1870 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I thank my noble friends for their amendment and the case that they made, which I under...

Lord Lawson of Blaby | 759 c1870 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I listened very carefully to what the noble Lord, Lord Purvis, the promoter of this Bil...

Lord Forsyth of Drumlean | 759 c1871 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Forsyth of Drumlean

21: After Clause 2, insert the following new Clause...

Lord Forsyth of Drumlean | 759 cc1871-2 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, the amendment has the effect that in the event that the ODA’s expenditure is greater th...

Lord West of Spithead | 759 cc1872-4 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I have put my name to this amendment and I support it. I should add that the noble Lord...

Lord Lamont of Lerwick | 759 c1874 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I support this amendment and what has been said by my noble friend Lord Forsyth and the...

Lord Reid of Cardowan | 759 cc1874-5 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I associate myself with the amendment and particularly with the remarks made by my nobl...

Lord Stirrup | 759 cc1875-6 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I suspect that it will not surprise the House to learn that I agree with everything tha...

Lord Tugendhat | 759 cc1876-7 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, the Minister will recall that at Second Reading and in Committee I stressed my support ...

Lord Davies of Stamford | 759 cc1877-8 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, the noble Lord, Lord Forsyth, invited me to be consistent in my attitude towards this a...

Lord Marlesford | 759 cc1878-9 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, the speeches of the noble Lord, Lord Reid, and the noble and gallant Lord, Lord Stirrup...

Lord Forsyth of Drumlean | 759 c1879 (Link to this contribution)

I entirely agree with what my noble friend is saying. However, of course the root of this problem...

Lord Marlesford | 759 c1879 (Link to this contribution)

In that case, I would have thought that we should redefine aid to take into account the need to b...

Baroness Northover | 759 c1879 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I thank the noble Lords for tabling this amendment, and I agree that both the ODA targe...

Lord West of Spithead | 759 c1879 (Link to this contribution)

Can the Minister clarify whether she disputes the fact that, according to this latest study, the ...

Baroness Northover | 759 c1879 (Link to this contribution)

I have just given the Government’s commitment. Interestingly, I also have here the figures for de...

Lord Davies of Stamford | 759 c1880 (Link to this contribution)

May I give the noble Baroness another chance to answer the question from my noble friend Lord Wes...

Baroness Northover | 759 c1880 (Link to this contribution)

I remind the noble Lord that we have a general election between now and then, and although we are...

Lord Reid of Cardowan | 759 c1880 (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful to the Minister but I have to come back on this. We understand that, tragically fro...

Baroness Northover | 759 c1880 (Link to this contribution)

I am very happy to share these figures with noble Lords but I am making a comparison with the aid...

Lord Tugendhat | 759 c1880 (Link to this contribution)

I thank the noble Baroness. She has just asserted that there has been considerable continuity as ...

Baroness Northover | 759 cc1880-1 (Link to this contribution)

That is an interesting point. The problem with the aid budget is that you do not see the level of...

Lord Purvis of Tweed | 759 c1881 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, if the House will forgive me, I will focus on the specific amendment as it affects the ...

Lord West of Spithead | 759 c1881 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, can I clarify what the noble Lord said and that he accepts that the first duty of any G...

Lord Purvis of Tweed | 759 c1881 (Link to this contribution)

I do not think that there is any question that we owe our liberties and freedoms to defence spend...

Lord Forsyth of Drumlean | 759 c1882 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am a very humble sort of chap. I have sat here this morning, participated in the deba...

Baroness Northover | 759 c1882 (Link to this contribution)

I trust that I made it clear in answer to my noble friend Lord Tugendhat. He made the very reason...

Lord Forsyth of Drumlean | 759 cc1882-3 (Link to this contribution)

I am rather disappointed with that answer. I am happy to give the Minister another go as she did ...

Baroness Northover | 759 c1883 (Link to this contribution)

We are talking about a Bill relating to development. We are talking about a 0.7% target to do wit...

Lord Forsyth of Drumlean | 759 c1883 (Link to this contribution)

We can all take it from that that the Government are not prepared to say on the record, with all ...

Lord Reid of Cardowan | 759 cc1883-4 (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful to the noble Lord for allowing me to intervene. This is an important point for reco...

Lord Forsyth of Drumlean | 759 c1884 (Link to this contribution)

I am most grateful to the noble Lord, who speaks from experience, and I agree with everything he ...

Baroness Northover | 759 c1884 (Link to this contribution)

Perhaps I may clarify that we will be giving no further thought to the amendment. I also clarify ...

Lord Forsyth of Drumlean | 759 c1884 (Link to this contribution)

If that was designed to prevent me dividing the House, it was a pretty good example of negative a...

Lord Hollick | 759 c1884 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Hollick

22: Clause 5, page 2, line 35, at end insert “by the Independen...

Lord Hollick | 759 cc1884-7 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, we now come to the part of the Bill relating to scrutiny. It is particularly important ...

Lord Lawson of Blaby | 759 cc1887-8 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I shall speak mainly to my Amendment 24, which is grouped with the amendment that has j...

Lord Lamont of Lerwick | 759 cc1888-9 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, as my noble friend Lord Lawson has said, these are two amendments aimed at the same tar...

Lord Collins of Highbury | 759 c1889 (Link to this contribution)

I am sorely tempted now, after all this time. Let me reassure my noble friend Lord Hollick that, ...

Lord Forsyth of Drumlean | 759 c1890 (Link to this contribution)

Before the noble Lord sits down, will he explain, having said how important it is and that he is ...

Lord Collins of Highbury | 759 c1890 (Link to this contribution)

The simple fact of the matter is that I am satisfied with the current arrangements and that we ha...

Baroness Northover | 759 cc1890-1 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I thank the noble Lord, Lord Collins, for his support. I think that we all agree that i...

Baroness Northover | 759 c1891 (Link to this contribution)

Perhaps I might complete what I am going to say.

The whole thrust of this Parliament’s poli...

Lord Lawson of Blaby | 759 c1891 (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful to my noble friend for giving way. The question of creating a new quango does not a...

Baroness Northover | 759 cc1891-2 (Link to this contribution)

My noble friend will have heard what the noble Lord said about respecting how ICAI is operating n...

Lord Forsyth of Drumlean | 759 c1892 (Link to this contribution)

Before my noble friend sits down, by way of analogy, what would she think about a company which w...

Baroness Northover | 759 c1892 (Link to this contribution)

I think that my noble friend has missed the elements where I mentioned the way in which the Secre...

Lord Purvis of Tweed | 759 cc1892-3 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, Amendment 22 is in similar terms to an amendment tabled in Committee, and Amendments 24...

Lord Lamont of Lerwick | 759 c1893 (Link to this contribution)

We are listening to the noble Lord with great attention and he has made powerful points about ICA...

Lord Purvis of Tweed | 759 c1893 (Link to this contribution)

I understand the point that my noble friend makes but the purpose of the Bill, as I indicated to ...

Lord Bourne of Aberystwyth | 759 c1893 (Link to this contribution)

Perhaps I could say that, after the Minister has spoken, only short questions of elucidation to t...

Lord Purvis of Tweed | 759 cc1893-4 (Link to this contribution)

Ordinarily, I would give way but on the basis of that guidance and a reflection on the Companion,...

Lord Hollick | 759 c1894 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I thank all noble Lords who have spoken on this. There seems to be a large measure of a...

Lord Butler of Brockwell | 759 c1894 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Butler of Brockwell

25: Clause 6, page 3, line 1, leave out subsection ...

Lord Butler of Brockwell | 759 cc1894-5 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, the House will be relieved to know that I can move this amendment very briefly because ...

Viscount Eccles | 759 c1895 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I strongly support the amendment. If we are getting into gesture politics now that we a...

Baroness Northover | 759 c1895 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, the amendment of the noble Lord, Lord Butler, seeks to put in place a further hurdle be...

Lord Lipsey | 759 c1895 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am slightly surprised by the “extremely unusual”. The House will recall that at the e...

Baroness Northover | 759 c1896 (Link to this contribution)

As I say, this Bill, unlike the discussion on care, which I remember very clearly, has had overwh...

Lord Purvis of Tweed | 759 c1896 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, this is a sunrise clause amendment before we debate a sunset clause amendment, neither ...

Lord Butler of Brockwell | 759 c1896 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am grateful to the noble Lord for his generous words. He said that there would be a p...

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