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Small Business, Enterprise and Employment Bill

Lords committee stage sixth day. Clauses 144 to 148 agreed to. Clauses 149, 150 and 151 agreed to as amended.
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Parliamentary proceeding
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759 cc1-54GC 
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2014-15
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Committee stage
Procedure
New clauses
Chamber / Committee
House of Lords Grand Committee
Small Business, Enterprise and Employment Bill 2014-15. Brought from the Commons.
Wednesday, 19 November 2014
Bills
House of Lords
Delegated Powers and Regulatory Reform Committee eleventh report.
Wednesday, 10 December 2014
Parliamentary committees
House of Lords
Delegated Powers and Regulatory Reform Committee. Thirteenth report.
Thursday, 8 January 2015
Parliamentary committees
House of Lords
Deposited Paper DEP2015-0115
Thursday, 29 January 2015
Deposited papers
House of Lords
Proceeding contributions
Lord Wills | 759 c1GC (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Wills

62: Clause 144, page 124, line 5, at end insert—

“( ) In se...

Lord Wills | 759 cc1-4GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, the amendments in this group—I shall speak to them all together—seek to improve protect...


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Lord Low of Dalston | 759 cc4-6GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I have my name to most of these amendments. I was not able to get my name to those star...

Lord Stoneham of Droxford | 759 c6GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I apologise for being a little late for the beginning of the remarks of the noble Lord,...

Lord Young of Norwood Green | 759 cc7-8GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, we support these amendments. I will preface my remarks by reminding us that in many cir...

Baroness Mobarik | 759 c8GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, as a new Member of the House, it has been fascinating to follow this Bill through Commi...

Baroness Neville-Rolfe | 759 cc8-11GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, the power in Clause 144 is just one of a number of changes the Government are making to...

Lord Wills | 759 c12GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, this has been a short but important debate. I am grateful to every noble Lord who has t...

Lord Young of Norwood Green | 759 c12GC (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Young of Norwood Green

68ZG: Clause 145, page 125, line 43, leave out f...

Lord Young of Norwood Green | 759 cc12-3GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I shall speak to all the amendments in this group. It is as well to remind ourselves wh...

Lord Stoneham of Droxford | 759 c13GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I support the principle of these amendments. I look forward to hearing the Minister’s d...

Baroness Neville-Rolfe | 759 c14GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I thank noble Lords for their amendments. I believe we share the same aim—that of ensur...

Lord Young of Norwood Green | 759 c14GC (Link to this contribution)

I hear what the Minister says, but surely there ought to be some concern—as I think the noble Lor...

Baroness Neville-Rolfe | 759 cc14-6GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am glad that the noble Lord intervened to register his concerns, which to some extent...

Lord Low of Dalston | 759 c16GC (Link to this contribution)

Before the noble Lord, Lord Young, replies, I wonder if I might be permitted to say a word or two...

Baroness Neville-Rolfe | 759 c16GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am grateful to the noble Lord, Lord Low, for his comments. I would of course be delig...

Lord Young of Norwood Green | 759 cc16-7GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I thank the Minister for her comprehensive reply. Are we satisfied? No, I do not think ...

Baroness Neville-Rolfe | 759 c17GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I reiterate that I also feel that the current situation is scandalous—I think that is t...

Lord Young of Norwood Green | 759 c17GC (Link to this contribution)

I think that I have made the necessary points, and I beg leave to withdraw the amendment.

Lord Young of Norwood Green | 759 c17GC (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Young of Norwood Green

68ZN: Clause 147, page 136, line 39, leave out “...

Lord Young of Norwood Green | 759 c17GC (Link to this contribution)

In this situation we have another worrying set of circumstances with regard to underpayment of th...

Lord Stoneham of Droxford | 759 c18GC (Link to this contribution)

I thought that the Government were doing much more than the noble Lord, Lord Young, indicated to ...

Lord Watson of Invergowrie | 759 c18GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I was certainly in accord with the noble Lord, Lord Stoneham, on his last remarks, but ...

Lord Whitty | 759 cc18-9GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I, too, support this amendment and I take issue with the noble Lord, Lord Stoneham. The...

Lord Storey | 759 c19GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, when the Minister replies, perhaps she could clarify whether it is £20,000 per person o...

Baroness Donaghy | 759 cc19-20GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, perhaps I may say a couple of words in support of these amendments. I was a member of t...

Lord Popat | 759 cc20-1GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I thank the noble Lord, Lord Young, for his amendments to Clause 147, and for giving us...

Lord Young of Norwood Green | 759 c21GC (Link to this contribution)

How many cases were in court for underpayment of the national minimum wage last year?

Lord Popat | 759 cc21-2GC (Link to this contribution)

I will certainly come back to the noble Lord on that in a minute.

I turn to Amendment 68ZQ....

Lord Young of Norwood Green | 759 c22GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I heard what the Minister said in response. I do not think that we are not totally sati...

Lord Young of Norwood Green | 759 c22GC (Link to this contribution)

Towards regulations devolving the enforcement of the national minimum wage to local authorities, ...

Lord Popat | 759 c22GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, we have a very strong HMRC enforcement regime. We do not see any point in giving the po...

Lord Morris of Handsworth | 759 c22GC (Link to this contribution)

Is the Minister aware that a lot of people on the minimum wage do not have the information and th...

Lord Popat | 759 c22GC (Link to this contribution)

The noble Lord, Lord Morris, raises the important issue of how we help to ensure that people are ...

Lord Young of Norwood Green | 759 c23GC (Link to this contribution)

A propos the Minister’s final point, is there not also the employment rights helpline, which we i...

Lord Popat | 759 c23GC (Link to this contribution)

I am afraid that I will have to write to the noble Lord with that information. I do not know whet...

Lord Young of Norwood Green | 759 c23GC (Link to this contribution)

I thank the Minister for his response. We will take into account the points that he has made and ...

Lord Young of Norwood Green | 759 c23GC (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Young of Norwood Green

68ZS: After Clause 147, insert the following new...

Lord Young of Norwood Green | 759 c23GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, we suggest that this new clause be inserted into the Bill. In the case of non-complianc...

Baroness Neville-Rolfe | 759 cc23-4GC (Link to this contribution)

I thank the noble Lord for his amendment and, indeed, for his succinct introduction, which I do n...

Lord Young of Norwood Green | 759 c24GC (Link to this contribution)

I have listened carefully to the Minister’s response. We think there is a connection in that empl...

Baroness Donaghy | 759 cc24-5GC (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Baroness Donaghy

68ZT: After Clause 147, insert the following new Clause—

Baroness Donaghy | 759 cc25-6GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, Amendment 68ZT asks the Government to publish a report on the whole issue of internship...

Lord Watson of Invergowrie | 759 cc26-7GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I came along this afternoon intending to support my noble friend Lady Donaghy on this a...

Lord Storey | 759 cc27-8GC (Link to this contribution)

I very much thank the noble Baroness for tabling this important amendment. In doing so, she bring...

Lord Mitchell | 759 cc28-9GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I support my noble friend Lady Donaghy’s probing amendment. I have to make a declaratio...

Baroness Neville-Rolfe | 759 cc29-32GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I thank the noble Baroness, Lady Donaghy, for raising this issue and giving us the oppo...

Lord Mitchell | 759 c32GC (Link to this contribution)

One word I did not hear—and I was listening very carefully—was “exploitation”. The feeling many o...

Baroness Neville-Rolfe | 759 c32GC (Link to this contribution)

I thank the noble Lord for that further clarification. There is a lot of common ground here. We n...

Baroness Donaghy | 759 c32GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am very grateful to noble Lords who have taken part in the debate. I thank the noble ...

Baroness Neville-Rolfe | 759 c32GC (Link to this contribution)

It certainly has not been my experience—and I used to work outside London—that all internships ar...

Baroness Donaghy | 759 c32GC (Link to this contribution)

I thank the Minister for that comment. I think that we are not too far apart on the need to ident...

Lord Young of Norwood Green | 759 c33GC (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Young of Norwood Green

68ZU: Clause 148, page 137, line 27, at end inse...

Lord Young of Norwood Green | 759 cc33-4GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I shall speak to a number of the amendments in this group as well say a few words by wa...

Lord Stoneham of Droxford | 759 c34GC (Link to this contribution)

This amendment is all very well but I am not quite sure where it is leading us. It is not very sp...

Lord Young of Norwood Green | 759 cc34-5GC (Link to this contribution)

I want to make it clear that this is an attempt not to rule out zero-hours contracts but to intro...

Lord Stoneham of Droxford | 759 c35GC (Link to this contribution)

I thank the noble Lord for his speech and his intervention. I accept that there are issues here w...

Baroness Donaghy | 759 c35GC (Link to this contribution)

I want to say a brief word about this because I must admit that I have a personal dislike of the ...

Baroness Neville-Rolfe | 759 cc35-7GC (Link to this contribution)

I thank the noble Lord, Lord Young, for these amendments and for the debate we have had on this p...

Lord Young of Norwood Green | 759 c37GC (Link to this contribution)

The Minister indicates that the Government have had some consultation and regulations will be pub...

Baroness Neville-Rolfe | 759 c37GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, we shall be publishing them shortly.

Baroness Neville-Rolfe | 759 c37GC (Link to this contribution)

I will take that point away and do my best.

Lord Young of Norwood Green | 759 c37GC (Link to this contribution)

Right. Obviously, as we said earlier, we welcome this measure. We are probing a bit to see whethe...

Lord Young of Norwood Green | 759 cc37-8GC (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Young of Norwood Green

68ZX: Clause 148, page 137, line 36, at end inse...

Lord Young of Norwood Green | 759 c38GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, again, this amendment seeks to extend the Secretary of State’s powers and to make it mo...

Baroness Hollis of Heigham | 759 cc38-40GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I support the amendments in this group. The daughter of a friend works for a burger com...

Baroness Neville-Rolfe | 759 cc40-1GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am grateful to noble Lords for their amendments and the opportunity further to debate...

Baroness Hollis of Heigham | 759 c41GC (Link to this contribution)

The Minister says that people are satisfied with that. I was just checking my statistics from the...

Baroness Neville-Rolfe | 759 cc41-2GC (Link to this contribution)

I thank the noble Baroness for her clarification. This is not an easy area. I also note that she ...

Baroness Hollis of Heigham | 759 c42GC (Link to this contribution)

The point is that if you are going to be paid only at the end of the month, what do you live on i...

Baroness Neville-Rolfe | 759 c42GC (Link to this contribution)

The noble Baroness makes a point that bears on the universal credit payment system in the round. ...

Baroness Hollis of Heigham | 759 c42GC (Link to this contribution)

Whether it is the handwriting or whatever, it is certainly the case that UC will be based on real...

Baroness Neville-Rolfe | 759 c43GC (Link to this contribution)

The noble Baroness makes a good point. In a sense, that is a problem for employers, who could pre...

Lord Young of Norwood Green | 759 c43GC (Link to this contribution)

I was interested when the Minister said that one of our amendments, seeking compensation if shift...

Baroness Neville-Rolfe | 759 c43GC (Link to this contribution)

I thank the noble Lord for raising the issue. I was going to deal with it in my response, but dec...

Lord Young of Norwood Green | 759 c43GC (Link to this contribution)

I think the noble Baroness for her response. It has been an interesting debate. I thank my noble ...

Baroness Hollis of Heigham | 759 c44GC (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Baroness Hollis of Heigham

68ZY: Clause 148, page 138, line 7, at end insert...

Baroness Hollis of Heigham | 759 cc44-6GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, this is a probing amendment to analyse the relationship between the flexible labour mar...

Baroness Drake | 759 cc45-9GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I support Amendment 68ZY. My noble friend Lady Hollis has been tenacious in seeking to ...

Lord Young of Norwood Green | 759 c49GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, after that forensic double examination, I cannot help reflecting that I am glad I am no...

Lord Newby | 759 cc49-50GC (Link to this contribution)

Such expectation, my Lords. I know that the question of NI eligibility raised by the amendment is...

Baroness Hollis of Heigham | 759 c50GC (Link to this contribution)

I am sorry—I did not understand that sentence at all. Would the noble Lord care to explain to me ...

Lord Newby | 759 c50GC (Link to this contribution)

I am drawing the distinction between somebody who is on a zero-hours contract at that level of in...

Baroness Hollis of Heigham | 759 c50GC (Link to this contribution)

No—that is not a correct statement. I made it very clear in my opening remarks that this is a pro...

Lord Newby | 759 cc50-1GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I was not suggesting that the amendment would exclude the possibility of further provis...

Baroness Hollis of Heigham | 759 cc51-2GC (Link to this contribution)

I thank my noble friend Lord Young, and especially my noble friend Lady Drake for her powerful sp...

Lord Newby | 759 c52GC (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Newby

68A: Clause 149, page 139, line 5, leave out “The Treasury may by...

Lord Newby | 759 c52GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, Clauses 149 to 151 give Her Majesty’s Treasury powers to make UK-wide regulations with ...

Lord Newby | 759 c53GC (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Newby

68B: Clause 149, page 139, line 9, leave out “Treasury think” and...

Lord Newby | 759 c53GC (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Newby

68D: Clause 150, page 140, line 1, leave out from second “a” to “...

Lord Newby | 759 cc53-4GC (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Newby

68F: After Clause 150, insert the following new Clause—

“Po...

Lord Newby | 759 c54GC (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Newby

68G: Clause 151, page 140, line 38, leave out “virtue of” and ins...

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