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Consumer Rights Bill

Debate on bills and Committee proceeding on Wednesday, 22 October 2014, in the House of Lords.
Lords committee stage fourth day. Clause 48, as amended, agreed to. Clauses 49-50 agreed to. Clause 51 under consideration.
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Parliamentary proceeding
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756 cc215-264GC 
Session
2014-15
Legislative stage
Committee stage
Chamber / Committee
House of Lords Grand Committee
Consumer Rights Bill 2013-14 to 2014-15. Brought from the Commons.
Tuesday, 17 June 2014
Bills
House of Lords
Deposited Paper DEP2014-1383
Monday, 27 October 2014
Deposited papers
House of Lords
Proceeding contributions
Baroness McIntosh of Hudnall | 756 c215GC (Link to this contribution)

Good afternoon, my Lords. I remind the Committee that, in the event of a Division or Divisions in...

Baroness Neville-Rolfe | 756 c215GC (Link to this contribution)

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Baroness Neville-Rolfe

45: Clause 48, page 30, line 8, leave out “contract f...


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Baroness Neville-Rolfe | 756 c215GC (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Baroness Neville-Rolfe

46: Clause 48, page 30, line 14, at end insert—

Baroness Neville-Rolfe | 756 c215GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, this amendment clarifies that, when the power in subsection (5) of Clause 48 is used, t...

Baroness Hayter of Kentish Town | 756 cc215-6GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I thank the Minister for introducing the amendment. Perhaps I could just take a brief m...

Baroness Neville-Rolfe | 756 c216GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, perhaps I can explain the general intention and then see whether we can clarify the poi...

Baroness Hayter of Kentish Town | 756 c216GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I think that probably goes even further, if I have understood the Minister correctly, a...

Baroness Hayter of Kentish Town | 756 c216GC (Link to this contribution)

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Baroness Hayter of Kentish Town

46A: Clause 49, page 30, line 23, at end ins...

Baroness McIntosh of Hudnall | 756 c216GC (Link to this contribution)

Let me just clarify that the noble Baroness is moving Amendment 46A. She said “Amendment 48A”.

Baroness Hayter of Kentish Town | 756 cc217-8GC (Link to this contribution)

I was just checking that the Chair is awake. I rise to move Amendment 46A in my name and that of ...

Baroness Drake | 756 cc218-220GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I support Amendment 46A, which covers a matter that I raised in Second Reading. The Gov...

Baroness Neville-Rolfe | 756 cc220-1GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, this is the first time that I have taken to the Floor during discussions on the service...

Baroness Hayter of Kentish Town | 756 c222GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I thank the noble Baroness. She said that today was her first time speaking on this mat...

Baroness Hayter of Kentish Town | 756 c222GC (Link to this contribution)

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Baroness Hayter of Kentish Town

46B: Clause 49, page 30, line 23, at end ins...

Baroness Hayter of Kentish Town | 756 cc222-3GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, in moving the amendment in the names of my noble friend Lord Stevenson and myself—I do ...

Earl of Lytton | 756 cc223-4GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I had not intended to intervene and before doing so I ought to explain that, as a latec...

Baroness Drake | 756 cc224-6GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I support Amendment 46B. I have spoken frequently on the issue of fiduciary duty and th...

Baroness Neville-Rolfe | 756 cc225-9GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I thank the noble Baroness, Lady Hayter, for her knowledge and for her experience of th...

Baroness Neville-Rolfe | 756 c229GC (Link to this contribution)

However, if I may, I shall think about that one, as it probably goes a little bit beyond today’s ...

Baroness Hayter of Kentish Town | 756 cc229-230GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I thank the Minister for that. I hope that it convinced her; I fear that it did not con...

Baroness Neville-Rolfe | 756 c230GC (Link to this contribution)

Before the noble Baroness, Lady Hayter, sits down, perhaps I could clarify her point about FCA ru...

Baroness Hayter of Kentish Town | 756 c230GC (Link to this contribution)

That is interesting, and I will try to find out how many court cases have been taken as a result....

Earl of Lytton | 756 c230GC (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

The Earl of Lytton

47: Clause 50, page 30, line 30, after “is” insert “reaso...

Earl of Lytton | 756 cc231-4GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I shall speak also to Amendments 48 and 49, which are in the same group. I wish to addr...

Baroness Neville-Rolfe | 756 cc234-5GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, first, I thank the noble Earl for his thoughtful and very clear contribution to the deb...

Earl of Lytton | 756 c235GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I thank the Minister for that explanation. I will go away and think about it. The words...

Baroness Gibson of Market Rasen | 756 c235GC (Link to this contribution)

Amendment 48A will be moved by the noble Baroness, Lady Hayter of Kentish Town.

Amendment 4...

Baroness King of Bow | 756 c235GC (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Baroness King of Bow

48A: Clause 50, page 30, line 33, at end insert—

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Baroness King of Bow | 756 cc235-6GC (Link to this contribution)

I am very happy to be mistaken for my noble friend, not least because she has about 15 years more...

Baroness Jolly | 756 cc236-8GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, as was said when we discussed point-of-sale information for goods last Monday, the Gove...

Baroness King of Bow | 756 c238GC (Link to this contribution)

I thank the Minister for her reply. The whole purpose of our amendment is to ensure that customer...

Baroness King of Bow | 756 c238GC (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Baroness King of Bow

48B: Clause 50, page 30, line 33, at end insert—

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Baroness King of Bow | 756 cc238-9GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, Amendment 48B would ensure that full costs are provided to consumers before the sale ta...

Earl of Lytton | 756 cc239-241GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I have considerable sympathy with the amendment, but I am not sure that I would advocat...

Lord Hodgson of Astley Abbotts | 756 c241GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I have some sympathy with the noble Baroness. Who wants to upset their mother? My mothe...

Baroness Neville-Rolfe | 756 cc241-3GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I thank the noble Baroness, Lady King of Bow, and the noble Earl, Lord Lytton. I apprec...

Baroness King of Bow | 756 cc242-4GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, it has been an interesting discussion that has taken in some clear old favourites, with...

Baroness Hayter of Kentish Town | 756 c244GC (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Baroness Hayter of Kentish Town

48C: Clause 50, page 30, line 37, after “tra...

Baroness Hayter of Kentish Town | 756 cc244-5GC (Link to this contribution)

The amendment stands in my name and that of my noble friend Lord Stevenson of Balmacara. It seeks...

Baroness Neville-Rolfe | 756 cc245-6GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I thank the noble Baroness for her comments. We have heard a lot today about the import...

Baroness Hayter of Kentish Town | 756 cc246-7GC (Link to this contribution)

I thank the Minister for that. If she were worried only about the application of the amendment to...

Baroness Hayter of Kentish Town | 756 c247GC (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Baroness Hayter of Kentish Town

49A: Clause 50, page 31, line 7, at end inse...

Baroness Hayter of Kentish Town | 756 cc247-8GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, Amendment 49A is about mid-term changes to a contract. Therefore, this is not about thi...

Baroness Neville-Rolfe | 756 cc248-250GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I thank the noble Baroness for her comments. Clause 50(4) protects a consumer from detr...

Baroness Hayter of Kentish Town | 756 c250GC (Link to this contribution)

I thank the Minister for her explanation. We are not really talking about buildings and builders....

Baroness Neville-Rolfe | 756 cc250-1GC (Link to this contribution)

On the Bank of Ireland matter, that is an issue for the FCA and it is not really for me to commen...

Baroness Hayter of Kentish Town | 756 c251GC (Link to this contribution)

That would be helpful. Clearly, what that letter said was, “Shucks, it wasn’t unfair—pay up”. Tha...

Baroness Gibson of Market Rasen | 756 c251GC (Link to this contribution)

I call Amendment 49B, in the name of the noble Baroness, Lady Hayter of Kentish Town.

Amend...

Baroness Hayter of Kentish Town | 756 c251GC (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Baroness Hayter of Kentish Town

49B: Clause 51, page 31, line 13, leave out ...

Baroness Hayter of Kentish Town | 756 cc251-2GC (Link to this contribution)

Before the Deputy Chairman arrived, I warned the Committee that it was going to hear an awful lot...

Baroness Drake | 756 cc252-3GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I support Amendment 49B. Information and transparency, although not sufficient, are ess...

Baroness Neville-Rolfe | 756 cc253-5GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am afraid that you have also heard a lot of my voice. I was hoping for some Divisions...

Baroness Crawley | 756 c255GC (Link to this contribution)

To go back to the Minister’s point about the fairness and the reasonableness that have to be met,...

Baroness Neville-Rolfe | 756 c255GC (Link to this contribution)

I thank the noble Baroness, Lady Crawley, for her intervention and for bringing the whole issue t...

Lord Harris of Haringey | 756 c255GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I hesitate to intervene. This may be the first time that I have intervened on the Bill,...

Baroness Neville-Rolfe | 756 c255GC (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful to the noble Lord, Lord Harris, for his intervention. It is great to have the tradi...

Lord Harris of Haringey | 756 c256GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, my question was: how do the Government anticipate that the regulations that they are in...

Baroness Neville-Rolfe | 756 c256GC (Link to this contribution)

I had not appreciated that the noble Lord wanted to talk in particular about price comparison sit...

Baroness Hayter of Kentish Town | 756 c256GC (Link to this contribution)

I think these are hidden in plain sight. It probably did say, “If you go on holiday and you don’t...

Baroness Neville-Rolfe | 756 c257GC (Link to this contribution)

One area that my noble friend Lady Jolly touched on today, and which we have discussed before, is...

Baroness Hayter of Kentish Town | 756 c257GC (Link to this contribution)

That is helpful. I know that one of the Ministers said that the implementation group would look a...

Lord Hodgson of Astley Abbotts | 756 c257GC (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Hodgson of Astley Abbotts

50: Clause 51, page 31, line 19, at end inser...

Lord Hodgson of Astley Abbotts | 756 cc257-8GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, Amendment 50 is a very broad, sweeping but probing amendment. It is designed to tease o...

Lord Hodgson of Astley Abbotts | 756 cc258-9GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, before getting back to the issue of paper bills, I hope that I will not be out of order...

Lord Hodgson of Astley Abbotts | 756 c259GC (Link to this contribution)

Amendment 53, which we shall discuss at the next meeting of the Committee, is a much better focus...

Baroness Hayter of Kentish Town | 756 c259GC (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Baroness Hayter of Kentish Town

50ZA: Clause 51, line 3, leave out “no more ...

Baroness Hayter of Kentish Town | 756 cc259-260GC (Link to this contribution)

I have never heard the noble Lord, Lord Hodgson, describe himself as a butcher before, but he tal...

Baroness Bakewell of Hardington Mandeville | 756 c260GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I support Amendment 50. I have an elderly father who is 91 and who has recently been ex...

Lord Harris of Haringey | 756 c261GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, Members of the Committee have highlighted a number of categories of people for whom thi...

Baroness Neville-Rolfe | 756 cc261-3GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am grateful to my noble friend Lord Hodgson for his amendment and for bringing up an ...

Lord Harris of Haringey | 756 c263GC (Link to this contribution)

It is not entirely a debate for another day. I understand the arguments but the Minister is sayin...

Baroness Neville-Rolfe | 756 cc263-4GC (Link to this contribution)

I note what the noble Lord said. That is a fair but difficult logic. His points are well made. Pe...

Lord Hodgson of Astley Abbotts | 756 c264GC (Link to this contribution)

I am pleased, surprised and grateful to the Minister for telling me that I do get information abo...

Baroness Neville-Rolfe | 756 c264GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, this may be a convenient moment for the Committee to adjourn.

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