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Growth and Infrastructure Bill

Committee of the Whole House (HL) and Debate on bills on Tuesday, 22 January 2013, in the House of Lords.
Clause 1 under consideration. Part 1 of 2.
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Parliamentary proceeding
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742 cc1008-1074 
Session
2012-13
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Committee stage
Procedure
New clauses
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House of Lords chamber
Growth and Infrastructure Bill 2012-13. Brought from the Commons.
Tuesday, 18 December 2012
Bills
House of Lords
Proceeding contributions
Lord McKenzie of Luton | 742 cc1046-7 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, like the noble Lord, Lord Greaves, I take a small degree of comfort from the Minister’s...

Baroness Hanham | 742 c1047 (Link to this contribution)

Before the noble Lord withdraws his amendment, I hope I made it clear that if a local authority i...


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Lord McKenzie of Luton | 742 c1047 (Link to this contribution)

That is very helpful, but can we just be clear on the consequence? Notwithstanding that it might ...

Baroness Hanham | 742 c1047 (Link to this contribution)

I am saying that an authority could put that forward and have it taken into account. Whether it w...

Lord McKenzie of Luton | 742 c1047 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord McKenzie of Luton

3: Clause 1, page 1, line 11, at beginning insert “su...

Lord McKenzie of Luton | 742 cc1047-8 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I shall speak also to Amendments 5 and 25 in this group. These amendments would preclud...

Lord Tope | 742 c1048 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, Amendment 6 stands in my name and has been suggested by both the Local Government Assoc...

Lord Beecham | 742 c1048 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, is 20 years a reasonable period? The point has already been made in debate that there i...

Lord Greaves | 742 cc1049-1050 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I apologise that I missed the speech by the noble Lord, Lord McKenzie. He was moving an...

Lord Deben | 742 cc1050-1 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, on this occasion I hope that the Minister will not accept any of these amendments becau...

Lord Tope | 742 c1051 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, before the Minister responds, may I respond briefly to the noble Lord, Lord Beecham? He...

Lord Greaves | 742 c1051 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I wonder if I can respond very briefly to the noble Lord, Lord Deben. Surely it is the ...

Lord Jenkin of Roding | 742 c1051 (Link to this contribution)

The fact of the matter is that this table is about decisions, not applications. The decisions may...

Lord McKenzie of Luton | 742 c1052 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, when Amendment 6 —which was spoken to by the noble Lord, Lord Tope— was debated in the ...

Lord Tope | 742 c1052 (Link to this contribution)

It would achieve your objective.

Lord McKenzie of Luton | 742 c1052 (Link to this contribution)

Indeed. My point was going to be that if this is a way of wrecking the clause, I am all in favour...

Baroness Hanham | 742 cc1052-3 (Link to this contribution)

On this amendment I shall satisfy my noble friend Lord Deben and practically nobody else because ...

Lord Greaves | 742 c1053 (Link to this contribution)

The table I have is headed “total major decisions” not “total major approvals”. This need clarify...

Lord Jenkin of Roding | 742 c1053 (Link to this contribution)

I entirely recognise that they were both approved and not approved. They were decisions.

Lord McKenzie of Luton | 742 c1053 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I think we have debated this group sufficiently. I beg leave to withdraw the amendment....

Lord McKenzie of Luton | 742 c1053 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord McKenzie of Luton

4: Clause 1, page 1, line 14, leave out from second “...

Lord McKenzie of Luton | 742 cc1053-4 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, under new Section 62A, an applicant can bypass the local planning authority and make an...

Lord Greaves | 742 cc1054-5 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, as the noble Lord said, I have tabled an amendment with exactly the same effect as his;...

Baroness Hanham | 742 c1055 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am happy to clarify the question of the noble Lord, Lord Greaves, immediately: it doe...

Lord McKenzie of Luton | 742 c1055 (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful to the noble Baroness for that response. We look forward to further discussion on t...

Baroness Hanham | 742 c1055 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I think that it would be the Planning Inspectorate, but nods and winks from over there ...

Lord Adonis | 742 c1055 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, while the noble Baroness is writing to us, can she also give us the statistics that hav...

Lord McKenzie of Luton | 742 c1055 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, again, I am grateful to the Minister and beg leave to withdraw the amendment.

Lord Greaves | 742 c1056 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Greaves

10: Clause 1, page 2, leave out lines 10 and 11

Lord Greaves | 742 c1056 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, this amendment is about connected applications, which are dealt with in Clause 1(3). I ...

Lord McKenzie of Luton | 742 cc1056-7 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, we have Amendments 11 and 17 in this group. Amendment 11 refers to circumstances where ...

Baroness Hanham | 742 cc1057-8 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I need to start by explaining why we have made provision for connected applications in ...

Lord Greaves | 742 cc1058-9 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I think I have got the answer that I was seeking on the “may/must” issue: the Secretary...

Baroness Hanham | 742 c1059 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, there is always a danger in being clever. I found a briefing note about the extra provi...

Lord Greaves | 742 c1059 (Link to this contribution)

I asked about what will happen when further minor applications or advertisement consents come up—...

Baroness Hanham | 742 c1059 (Link to this contribution)

I apologise for that. I was getting the small things right. They would be new applications and th...

Lord Greaves | 742 c1060 (Link to this contribution)

Perhaps the Minister would include that in her clarification letter. Clearly, if the authority is...

Baroness Hanham | 742 c1060 (Link to this contribution)

My understanding is that any fresh application, even one which is associated with a development, ...

Lord Greaves | 742 c1060 (Link to this contribution)

We could go on talking about this for a while but I think that it would be better to clarify it o...

Lord Greaves | 742 c1060 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Greaves

13: Clause 1, page 2, line 29, leave out “and”

Lord Greaves | 742 cc1060-1 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, Amendment 13 and this group of amendments are about money and the extent to which local...

Lord McKenzie of Luton | 742 cc1061-2 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, we have Amendments 20, 21, 22 and 24 in this group. Amendment 24 simply requires the Se...

Baroness Hanham | 742 cc1062-3 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I understand and agree with the intention behind Amendments 13 and 14. We have no argum...

Lord McKenzie of Luton | 742 c1063 (Link to this contribution)

I am sorry to interrupt the noble Baroness. She referred to the grant made available to local aut...

Baroness Hanham | 742 c1063 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I think that I am talking about just the main local grant that comes with the formula g...

Lord Greaves | 742 cc1063-4 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, there used to be something called the planning performance grant, but my understanding ...

Lord McKenzie of Luton | 742 c1064 (Link to this contribution)

Before the noble Lord withdraws the amendment, perhaps I may follow his point about the extent of...

Baroness Hanham | 742 c1064 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, the question of whether the Section 106 procedure is carried out by the local authority...

Lord McKenzie of Luton | 742 c1065 (Link to this contribution)

That would be helpful. The noble Baroness has prompted another thought: will the discharge of con...

Baroness Hanham | 742 c1065 (Link to this contribution)

Local residents will of course have the same right to put their representations directly to the P...

Lord Greaves | 742 cc1065-6 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, the noble Lord, Lord McKenzie, has raised some extremely important issues. Perhaps this...

Baroness Hanham | 742 c1066 (Link to this contribution)

Before the noble Lord withdraws his amendment, I need to correct what I said so that we are absol...

Lord Greaves | 742 c1066 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, this gets a bit more mysterious. The decision on whether or not to grant planning permi...

Lord Greaves | 742 c1066 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Greaves

15: Clause 1, page 2, line 30, at end insert—

“( ) Where ...

Lord Greaves | 742 cc1066-8 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I shall speak also to Amendments 30 and 31. Again, the noble Lord, Lord McKenzie, has a...

Lord McKenzie of Luton | 742 cc1067-1070 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, we have Amendments 16 and 18 in this group; I will start in reverse order with Amendmen...

Lord Deben | 742 cc1069-1071 (Link to this contribution)

This is an important series of amendments because they bear on the very issue that we have all ra...

Earl of Lytton | 742 cc1071-2 (Link to this contribution)

I added my name to this amendment not least because it was originally drafted by the National Ass...

Baroness Hanham | 742 c1072 (Link to this contribution)

I have been trying to make it clear all the way through this afternoon and evening that, when the...

Lord McKenzie of Luton | 742 c1072 (Link to this contribution)

Will the Minister confirm that the current standard arrangements for consultation involve the pre...

Baroness Hanham | 742 cc1072-3 (Link to this contribution)

Every local authority has its own methods, which must fall within the statutory consultation proc...

Lord Greaves | 742 cc1073-4 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am grateful to a number of speakers who took part in this debate. I am grateful to th...

Lord McKenzie of Luton | 742 c1074 (Link to this contribution)

In relation to the consultation, the response was frankly a bit thin. This is an issue that we ne...

Baroness Hanham | 742 c1074 (Link to this contribution)

I will give the noble Lord a response, but I may have to change it. My instinct is to say that th...

Lord Greaves | 742 c1074 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, that was a very interesting dialogue. Most of the things that the Planning Inspectorate...

Lord Adonis | 742 c1009 (Link to this contribution)

Clarity is very important on this matter. Will the noble Baroness undertake that the DWP guidance...

Lord Tope | 742 c1009 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Tope

1: Clause 1, page 1, line 8, at end insert—

“(za) the local ...

Lord Beecham | 742 cc1013-5 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I also declare interests as an honorary vice-president of the Local Government Associat...

Lord Jenkin of Roding | 742 c1018 (Link to this contribution)

I have already referred to two recommendations in the Select Committee’s report which I support. ...

Lord Burnett | 742 c1023 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I start by declaring my interests. I have considerable sympathy with the points made by...

Lord Shipley | 742 cc1027-8 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I declare my interest as a vice-president of the Local Government Association. I agree ...

Lord McKenzie of Luton | 742 c1030 (Link to this contribution)

If the Government are very happy to see local planning authorities supported through the LGA or w...

Baroness Hanham | 742 cc1030-1 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, this is a matter of view between us. Our view is that things will become clearer over t...

Baroness Hanham | 742 c1032 (Link to this contribution)

That will not be entirely the case. There are usually reasons why planning applications are delay...

Baroness Hanham | 742 c1032 (Link to this contribution)

My noble friend has greater experience than I have of putting forward legislation, and he will kn...

Lord Tope | 742 c1035 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, Amendment 8, standing in my name, is in this group. It largely speaks for itself. It re...

Lord Greaves | 742 cc1037-1041 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, my Amendment 33 is in this group. I certainly support the amendment in the name of my n...

Lord Jenkin of Roding | 742 c1045 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, on Amendment 29, tabled by the noble Lord, Lord McKenzie, I raised a point about the le...

Lord Greaves | 742 cc1045-6 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, very briefly, I welcome what I think is a positive response from the Minister about loc...

Lord Adonis | 742 cc1008-9 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, on the Motion to go into Committee, perhaps I may raise a concern of which I have given...

Baroness Hanham | 742 c1009 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I thank the noble Lord for giving me notice that he was going to raise this point. I al...

Baroness Hanham | 742 c1009 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am not going to make a firm promise. As I have said, I will do my best to ensure that...

Lord Adonis | 742 c1009 (Link to this contribution)

I am sorry to take the time of the House again but it is only right that I give the noble Barones...

Lord Tope | 742 cc1010-1 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, in speaking to Amendment 1, I shall speak also to Amendment 32 in the name of my noble ...

Lord McKenzie of Luton | 742 cc1011-2 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, we have Amendments 36 and 37 in this group, which I shall come to in a moment. If I may...

Lord Greaves | 742 cc1012-3 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, this is the first day of Committee and a new stage; according to the rules, I therefore...

Lord Jenkin of Roding | 742 cc1015-7 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am grateful to my successor as Secretary of State for the Environment a good many yea...

Lord Greaves | 742 c1017 (Link to this contribution)

My noble friend is eloquent and has a very established knowledge of these matters. However, if it...

Lord Jenkin of Roding | 742 c1017 (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful to my noble friend for raising that point. I am sure that, like me, he has studied ...

Lord Adonis | 742 c1018 (Link to this contribution)

The noble Lord referred to the Delegated Powers and Regulatory Reform Committee report on Clause ...

Lord Adonis | 742 c1018 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, if that is the case, why does the Bill not say that designation is dependent upon poor ...

Lord Jenkin of Roding | 742 c1018 (Link to this contribution)

This is what consultation is about. I am sure the noble Lord has read the consultation paper. The...

Lord McKenzie of Luton | 742 cc1018-9 (Link to this contribution)

The noble Lord raises an important question in asking whether the Government should sit back and ...

Lord Jenkin of Roding | 742 c1019 (Link to this contribution)

I understand the points being made by the noble Lord. The question of the pressures on local auth...

Lord Deben | 742 cc1019-1023 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I declare my interests as the chairman of a company that tries to help in terms of sust...

Lord Greaves | 742 c1023 (Link to this contribution)

Would my noble friend be surprised to learn that his remarks about local plans and the delays to ...

Lord Burnett | 742 c1024 (Link to this contribution)

I am extremely grateful to my noble friend. I feel supported and vindicated in the thrust of the ...

Baroness Turner of Camden | 742 c1024 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I support the amendments spoken to by my noble friend Lord McKenzie this afternoon. Cla...

Lord Best | 742 cc1024-6 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I declare my interest as president of the Local Government Association. We are not actu...

Lord True | 742 cc1026-7 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I must also declare an interest as leader of a London local council that is a planning ...

Baroness Hanham | 742 cc1028-9 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I do not know whether to start replying to a Second Reading debate or to a clause stand...

Lord Adonis | 742 c1029 (Link to this contribution)

Will the Minister tell us where in Clause 1 it says that the power is very constrained. It simply...

Baroness Hanham | 742 c1029 (Link to this contribution)

Being designated is a constraint because when we eventually get to it, the noble Lord will know t...

Lord Greaves | 742 c1030 (Link to this contribution)

I am very grateful to my noble friend. I know that she is always very diligent in listening to th...

Baroness Hanham | 742 c1030 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, you can also approach this matter from the standpoint that the planning authority has n...

Lord Campbell-Savours | 742 c1031 (Link to this contribution)

I have sat through the whole debate and I keep asking myself a simple question: how can we be sur...

Baroness Hanham | 742 c1031 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, that relates to the consultation, which we are moving on to in Amendment 2. Perhaps we ...

Lord Greaves | 742 c1031 (Link to this contribution)

My noble friend rightly said that in a normal case, if a major application is not dealt with by t...

Baroness Hanham | 742 c1031 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, the expectation is that the Planning Inspectorate will perform against the statutory cr...

Lord McKenzie of Luton | 742 cc1031-2 (Link to this contribution)

Perhaps I may focus on one other point. Clearly, the criteria are going to be driven by the speed...

Lord McKenzie of Luton | 742 c1032 (Link to this contribution)

There is a very important point—it may be a new point. I understand that, where performance agree...

Baroness Hanham | 742 c1032 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, before they are designated, local authorities will have the opportunity to explain, fir...

Lord Deben | 742 c1032 (Link to this contribution)

Would it not be better if that were set out in the Bill? If the Bill said, first, that the issue ...

Lord Jenkin of Roding | 742 c1032 (Link to this contribution)

A number of noble Lords asked whether we were going to have the Government’s response to the cons...

Baroness Hanham | 742 c1033 (Link to this contribution)

My noble friend would know what they are if he had read the consultation document, which, knowing...

Lord Tope | 742 cc1033-4 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am very grateful to all who have taken part in this debate over the past hour and a h...

Lord McKenzie of Luton | 742 c1034 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord McKenzie of Luton

2: Clause 1, page 1, line 9, after “designated” inser...

Lord McKenzie of Luton | 742 cc1034-6 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I shall also speak to Amendments 27, 28, 29 and 35 in the group. Amendments 2 and 35 ha...

Lord Jenkin of Roding | 742 c1035 (Link to this contribution)

Encouraged by the noble Lord, Lord McKenzie, I will say something about Amendment 28. When I was ...

Lord Deben | 742 c1039 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I hope that the Minister will take all these amendments into account but will not go do...

Earl of Lytton | 742 cc1039-1043 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, this is the first time I have spoken on this Bill and I have a number of interests to d...

Baroness Hanham | 742 cc1042-5 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I thank noble Lords for their contributions on this amendment. Some of the ground was c...

Baroness Hanham | 742 c1045 (Link to this contribution)

In the consultation, it is suggested that the length of designation should be reviewed after a ye...

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