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Enterprise and Regulatory Reform Bill

Debate on bills and Committee proceeding on Monday, 14 January 2013, in the House of Lords.
Clauses 57 to 62 agreed to, with clause 61 agreed to as amended.
Type
Parliamentary proceeding
Reference
742 cc123-180GC 
Session
2012-13
Legislative stage
Committee stage
Chamber / Committee
House of Lords Grand Committee
Prevention of Social Housing Fraud Bill 2012-13. Brought from the Commons.
Monday, 12 November 2012
Bills
House of Lords
Deposited Paper DEP2013-0120
Monday, 21 January 2013
Deposited papers
House of Lords
Deposited Paper DEP2013-0119
Monday, 21 January 2013
Deposited papers
House of Lords
Deposited Paper DEP2013-0268
Friday, 8 February 2013
Deposited papers
House of Lords
Proceeding contributions
Baroness McIntosh of Hudnall | 742 c123GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I remind the Committee that, in the event of a vote in the Chamber this afternoon, the ...

Baroness Thornton | 742 cc123-5GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, in opposing Clause 57 standing part of the Bill, I thank the noble Lords, Lord Lester a...


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Baroness Turner of Camden | 742 cc126-7GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I put my name to this question when I first read the Bill and I have recently had some ...

Baroness Stowell of Beeston | 742 cc127-8GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am grateful to the noble Baroness, Lady Thornton, and others who have put their names...

Baroness Thornton | 742 c128GC (Link to this contribution)

I am wondering where the evidence for this is. I really need to know where this evidence is becau...

Baroness Stowell of Beeston | 742 cc128-9GC (Link to this contribution)

The point in some of the cases that I shall come to is that people have been able to bring cases ...

Baroness Thornton | 742 c129GC (Link to this contribution)

I thank the Minister for her reply, but the Committee needs more evidence than she has been able ...

Baroness Thornton | 742 cc129-131GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I had hoped that the noble Lord, Lord Lester, would have been with us today to move thi...

Baroness Whitaker | 742 c131GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I support my noble friends and the noble Lord, Lord Lester, in opposing that the clause...

Baroness Turner of Camden | 742 c132GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, originally I put my name down in support of the clause not being included. As we have h...

Lord Ouseley | 742 cc132-4GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I support the question and seek to clarify the context in which I offer support. It is ...

Lord Low of Dalston | 742 cc134-5GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I came along this afternoon to support the opposition to Clauses 57 and 58 on the part ...

Baroness Howe of Idlicote | 742 c135GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I would like to say a brief word on this. I am particularly glad that my noble friend L...

Baroness Oppenheim-Barnes | 742 c135GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I hope that this is not too light a note, but this is an apology that I owe to the nobl...

Baroness Stowell of Beeston | 742 cc136-7GC (Link to this contribution)

I do not know how to follow that.

I join other noble Lords in wishing the noble Lord, Lord ...

Baroness Thornton | 742 c137GC (Link to this contribution)

Can I query what the noble Baroness has just said about getting information prior to a claim? Is ...

Baroness Stowell of Beeston | 742 c137GC (Link to this contribution)

Obviously I was not being clear. The point that I was trying to make is that, while the purpose o...

Baroness Thornton | 742 c137GC (Link to this contribution)

I am sorry to pursue this point. How many cases like these are there? The noble Baroness may not ...

Baroness Stowell of Beeston | 742 cc137-8GC (Link to this contribution)

I will endeavour to provide further information in that area and follow up in writing to the nobl...

Baroness Whitaker | 742 c138GC (Link to this contribution)

I am sorry to interrupt the noble Baroness. I am grateful for her answer about the statistics, as...

Baroness Stowell of Beeston | 742 c139GC (Link to this contribution)

If the noble Baroness is referring to 2009, I think I have already answered that point by explain...

Baroness Thornton | 742 c139GC (Link to this contribution)

For my own clarification, because I have not heard this process described in quite this way, am I...

Baroness Stowell of Beeston | 742 c140GC (Link to this contribution)

They do not have to go to ACAS first but in the conversations that the Government are having with...

Baroness Thornton | 742 c140GC (Link to this contribution)

Does the Minister not think it likely that ACAS will fill in a form?

Baroness Stowell of Beeston | 742 c140GC (Link to this contribution)

The noble Baroness may be more familiar with the processes followed by ACAS than I am. I cannot s...

Baroness Thornton | 742 cc140-1GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I thank the noble Baroness for that useful and helpful explanation. I also thank the no...

Lord McKenzie of Luton | 742 c141GC (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord McKenzie of Luton

28ZDA: Clause 59, page 56, line 21, after “shared” in...

Lord McKenzie of Luton | 742 cc141-2GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I beg to move Amendment 28ZDA and to speak to Amendment 28ZDB. These are probing amendm...

Lord Deben | 742 cc142-3GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I support the tenor of these amendments and wish to say how strongly I support this par...

Lord Curry of Kirkharle | 742 c143GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I declare an interest in that I chair the Better Regulation Executive, which was very m...

Viscount Younger of Leckie | 742 cc143-5GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, before I turn to these amendments I would just like to thank the noble Lord, Lord Steve...

Lord McKenzie of Luton | 742 c145GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I thank the Minister for his reply, which has helpfully taken us forward a little bit. ...

Lord McKenzie of Luton | 742 c145GC (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord McKenzie of Luton

28ZDC: Clause 60, page 57, line 11, at end insert—

Lord McKenzie of Luton | 742 cc146-7GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, in moving Amendment 28ZDC I shall also speak to Amendment 28ZDD.

Amendment 28ZDC ...

Viscount Younger of Leckie | 742 cc147-8GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I thank the noble Lords for their amendments to the inspection plans clause, to which I...

Lord McKenzie of Luton | 742 c148GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am grateful to the Minister for his response. I certainly do not propose to press the...

Baroness Greengross | 742 cc148-9GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, listening to the Minister, I felt rather sad that I was going to stand up and say what ...

Lord McKenzie of Luton | 742 c149GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I look forward to the Minister’s response. I am bound to say to the noble Baroness, wit...

Lord Curry of Kirkharle | 742 c149GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I will also try to reassure the noble Baroness, Lady Greengross. Under the new governan...

Viscount Younger of Leckie | 742 cc149-152GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, Clause 60 strengthens primary authority inspection plans. Its effect is to make it bind...

Baroness Greengross | 742 c152GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I thank the Minister, who has reassured me to some extent. I am not brave enough to arg...

Viscount Younger of Leckie | 742 c152GC (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Viscount Younger of Leckie

28ZE: Clause 61, page 58, line 34, leave out from...

Viscount Younger of Leckie | 742 cc152-3GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, these three government amendments, have the effect of removing new Section 47(2B) of th...

Lord McKenzie of Luton | 742 c153GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, we are happy to support these amendments. They seek to remove a very extensive power wh...

Lord Deben | 742 c153GC (Link to this contribution)

I welcome this, and ask the Minister to carry back the message that it is extremely valuable for ...

Viscount Younger of Leckie | 742 c153GC (Link to this contribution)

First, I thank the noble Lord, Lord McKenzie, for his support in this respect. I also take note o...

Viscount Younger of Leckie | 742 c153GC (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Viscount Younger of Leckie

28ZF: Clause 61, page 59, line 5, leave out “, (2...

Baroness Turner of Camden | 742 cc154-5GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I have listened with interest to the exchange that we have just had, but it really does...

Baroness Brinton | 742 c156GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, there is a balance in these cases. I accept the points that the noble Baroness, Lady Tu...

Baroness Whitaker | 742 c156GC (Link to this contribution)

I apologise for interrupting so early in the noble Baroness’s speech, but it is important to say ...

Baroness Brinton | 742 c156GC (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful for the intervention by the noble Baroness, Lady Whitaker. Unfortunately, that was ...

Lord McKenzie of Luton | 742 cc157-9GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I added my name in support of my noble friend’s proposition that Clause 61 should not s...

Baroness Donaghy | 742 cc159-162GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I declare an interest as the author of a report in 2009 to the then Secretary of State ...

Lord Browne of Ladyton | 742 cc162-6GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I draw the Committee’s attention to my entry in the Register of Members’ Interests. I a...

Lord Browne of Ladyton | 742 cc166-9GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I was at the point in my argument where I was making the case for the basis for this ch...

Lord Monks | 742 cc169-171GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I rise to support the question put by the noble Baroness, Lady Turner, and to follow so...

Baroness Whitaker | 742 c171GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, as a former head of bits of HSE policy, I want to say that this clause undermines the m...

Lord Young of Norwood Green | 742 cc171-3GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, we support the question on clause stand part from my noble friend Lady Turner, and I am...

Viscount Younger of Leckie | 742 cc173-4GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I have listened very carefully to the debate this afternoon. I understand the concerns ...

Baroness Whitaker | 742 c174GC (Link to this contribution)

Will the noble Lord confirm that the noble Lord, Lord Young, did not touch on the matter of Claus...

Viscount Younger of Leckie | 742 cc174-6GC (Link to this contribution)

I would need to refer back to the report to give the noble Baroness a full answer. Indeed I shall...

Lord Browne of Ladyton | 742 cc176-7GC (Link to this contribution)

At the heart of the noble Viscount’s argument there are general arguments about numbers. The Heal...

Viscount Younger of Leckie | 742 c177GC (Link to this contribution)

I thank the noble Lord, Lord Browne, for that intervention. I shall answer his questions in a mom...

Lord McKenzie of Luton | 742 c177GC (Link to this contribution)

If the Government’s case is that there was consultation and that Professor Löfstedt undertook tha...

Viscount Younger of Leckie | 742 c177GC (Link to this contribution)

As has been mentioned earlier, we are following the vast bulk of his recommendations.

Lord McKenzie of Luton | 742 c177GC (Link to this contribution)

I shall try not to prolong this, because I know that the Minister has a lot to get through and th...

Viscount Younger of Leckie | 742 cc177-8GC (Link to this contribution)

In answer to the noble Lord, I would say that it is not black and white that we followed all the ...

Lord McKenzie of Luton | 742 c178GC (Link to this contribution)

I am sorry, but we are dealing with some very important points here. On this mantra that most cla...

Viscount Younger of Leckie | 742 cc178-9GC (Link to this contribution)

It is clear that the vast majority of cases will be covered by negligence and that a small number...

Lord McKenzie of Luton | 742 c180GC (Link to this contribution)

The noble Viscount referred to my use of “nebulous”. If I remember correctly, that is the Governm...

Viscount Younger of Leckie | 742 c180GC (Link to this contribution)

I have certainly noted the point that the noble Lord has made. I was clearly of the understanding...

Baroness Turner of Camden | 742 c180GC (Link to this contribution)

In responding to the Minister, I begin by thanking everybody who has participated. We had an exce...

Viscount Younger of Leckie | 742 c180GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, this may be a convenient moment for the Committee to adjourn until Wednesday at 3.45 pm...

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