Investigatory Powers (Amendment)Bill [Lords]

It is a privilege to open debate on Report of this important Bill. At the outset, it is worth rei...

Does my hon. Friend agree that it is not above the Minister’s pay grade to be able to confirm tha...

My hon. Friend has made an important point, and one with which I suspect the overwhelming majorit...

I was the Minister who took through the House the Bill that created the ISC. At the time, the int...

The right hon. Gentleman has made two important points, both of which I agree with, about redacti...

The hon. Gentleman’s point is made more potent by the fact that the matters the ISC considers are...

The right hon. Gentleman speaks about these matters with a great deal of authority, not just as a...

I hope that this evening will end with a measure of agreement. On the subject of the tech compani...

I know that the hon. Member takes these matters incredibly seriously, and he has raised an import...

I thank the hon. Gentleman for the spirit in which he has addressed this issue, and he deserves a...

I am grateful to the Minister for clarification on the response to new clause 2. He understands t...

I thank the hon. Gentleman for giving way again. May I address the iterative issue that the Minis...

That is a very important point, and I completely agree. These are complex and difficult matters o...

As always, the hon. Gentleman is quite right to highlight the areas I touched on. The important t...

That is a very useful clarification, and I thank the Minister for it.

I accept what the Minister has just said, but where is the threshold for publicity? As he said, t...

My right hon. Friend is undoubtedly right: we do need to be very careful. In the end, the Governm...

I start from the perspective that we are highly likely to regret some elements of this Bill withi...

I said that we are not going to be partisan in this debate, and the shadow Minister started in th...

I will not go over it again, but the High Court and the Court of Appeal came to a different view ...

First, let me put on record the apologies of the right hon. Member for New Forest East (Sir Julia...

Before the right hon. Gentleman moves on, I wish to pick up on his point about the need for conti...

I understand the right hon. Gentleman’s frustration, but, as Madam Deputy Speaker knows, there ar...

I very much hope the right hon. Gentleman has brought Lord West’s smelling salts with him, becaus...

I welcome that, but can I hear it again and pin the Minister down a little more? I am sure it is ...

Yes.

Victory at last—there is such power in changing one word. The Minister has given a solemn underta...

I will not press new clause 3 to a vote, but I tabled it because in 2010-11 David Cameron, the th...

I agree totally with the right hon. Gentleman, and I think that is where we are as a Government. ...

Again I do not intend to press the matter, but if the ISC discusses this issue in the future, I p...

I agree, but that then places an unnecessary burden on the system. The current process with the S...

rose—

I hope the Minister is not going to intervene again. My legs might get wobbly if I have to sit do...

I thank the right hon. Member for giving way. I just want to assure him that I have taken on boar...

Well, I shall take that as half a victory.

Take them where you can get them!

May I just get some clarity? That is a perfectly legitimate way of doing it, and it will mean not...

The right hon. Member will understand that IPCO is operationally independent, so I will not instr...

That would be helpful. That would give reassurance to the public and provide a test of how the sy...

I note the right hon. Gentleman’s proper consideration of the balance between privacy and securit...

I understand where the right hon. Gentleman is coming from. Our original idea about having an ema...

I think it’s two.

No, I would not quite say it is two. Hopefully, I might get another one on my other amendment, an...

Is this an example of my being more hardline than the right hon. Gentleman? It seems like it to m...

I would not have thought that the right hon. Gentleman could be seen as hardline on anything, pus...

It is a pleasure to follow the right hon. Member for North Durham (Mr Jones), who is a fellow mem...

It is a pleasure to follow the right hon. and learned Member for Kenilworth and Southam (Sir Jere...

As the hon. Gentleman set out, amendment 11 would strengthen the hand of the judicial commissione...

I am grateful to the right hon. and learned Member for that intervention. He possibly makes a fai...

As you will know, Madam Deputy Speaker, and as other Members have made reference to, I was the Mi...

rose—

The Minister is going to satisfy me immediately, it seems.

I will satisfy my right hon. Friend immediately and, I hope, save him time in his speech. Local a...

That is excellent—it helps, because the schedule associated with that part of the Bill does not m...

indicated assent.

I am seeing the Minister nodding. He might want to say a word or two more when he sums up.

May I gently suggest that the right hon. Gentleman goes back to the Minister now, just to pin dow...

The Minister may want to intervene on me again to do exactly what the right hon. Gentleman has su...

On the grounds that it will save me time when I wrap up at the end of the debate, I will make it ...

That is very helpful and, I think, goes a fair way towards what I want to achieve. The Minister h...

If my right hon. Friend will forgive me, I will use the words I am using. Those powers will be us...

I entirely understand. I used the example myself of trading standards: in Lincolnshire, we have a...

I apologise to my right hon. Friend. These powers are not permissive in the sense that they are e...

I think that is helpful. The Minister will remember that when we debated the original Bill that b...

Again, just to clarify for my right hon. Friend, this Bill offers no greater expansion than his o...

rose—

I was going to say that I have done this matter to death, but I can see that the right hon. Gentl...

I think the Minister is getting another “dancing on the head of a pin” award for his explanation....

Yes, exactly. The right hon. Gentleman has put it very clearly, and the sense of what the Ministe...

I can give my right hon. Friend that assurance.

That is a 100% win. It is not half a win or three quarters of a win; it is just a win. So we are ...

It is a pleasure to follow the right hon. Member for South Holland and The Deepings (Sir John Hay...

Does my hon. Friend agree with me that this is so important, because the Secretary of State will ...

Yes, and it is clearly important that there is a reassurance that the Secretary of State who is p...

The measure is doable, because we are not asking for something in the Bill; it could be done in t...

I can see that the Minister is looking pensive, so I hope that means he is thinking of some way t...

I rise to speak to amendments 15, 20 and 22, and Government amendments 3 and 6. I highlight that ...

rose—

Before I call the hon. Member for Strangford (Jim Shannon), I am sure that the whole House will w...

Hear, hear!

You are most kind, Madam Deputy Speaker. When you get to my age, you do not count the years, but ...

I am listening carefully to the hon. Gentleman’s speech, not least because it is his birthday. Le...

I thank the right hon. Gentleman for his intervention. I share those concerns, but I wish to put ...

Right hon. and hon. Members will be delighted to hear that, having answered colleagues as we went...

I understand what my right hon. Friend is saying, but the practical consequence of issuing such a...

If my right hon. and learned Friend will forgive me, I will be able discuss that in a more secure...

The Minister has used that argument before about new Secretaries of State, and it is complete non...

The right hon. Member has made his point and I have made mine; I am afraid I will leave it there ...

I beg to move, That the Bill be read the Third time.

I pay huge tribute to all the contribu...

It is gratifying that we will get this Bill on the statute book, because it will give our securit...

I was going to do so!

The Minister says that he was going to, but if he had done that last week we could perhaps have h...

Some of us should take yes for an answer.

Well some of us do, but if the amendments had been agreed to last week, we could have had a short...

I, too, thank all colleagues who have taken part in the proceedings today, in Committee stage and...

I rise to confirm that we on these Benches support the Third Reading of this Bill. It is the firs...