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Criminal Justice Bill

Debate on bills on Tuesday, 28 November 2023, in the House of Commons, led by James Cleverly. The answering members were Yvette Cooper, Alex Cunningham and Laura Farris.
Second reading. Agreed to on question. Programme motion on committal, proceedings in Public Bill Committee, consideration, third reading and other proceedings. Agreed to on question. Money resolution and King's recommendation signified. Agreed to on question.
Type
Parliamentary proceeding
Reference
741 cc725-794 
Session
2023-24
Department
Home Office
Legislative stage
Second reading
Chamber / Committee
House of Commons chamber
Criminal Justice Bill 2023-24
Tuesday, 14 November 2023
Bills
House of Commons
Proceeding contributions
Baroness Winterton of Doncaster | 741 c725 (Link to this contribution)

Before I ask the Home Secretary to move the Second Reading, just another little reminder that as ...

James Cleverly | 741 c725 (Link to this contribution)

I beg to move, That the Bill be now read a Second time.

Victims of crime must have justice,...


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Yvette Cooper | 741 c725 (Link to this contribution)

I thank the Home Secretary for giving way. It is so good to see him in the Chamber now. Could he ...

James Cleverly | 741 c725 (Link to this contribution)

I do not have the figures to hand, but the—

James Cleverly | 741 cc725-6 (Link to this contribution)

The right hon. Lady has made an intervention. Let me make some progress now—[Interruption.] If sh...

Tony Lloyd | 741 c726 (Link to this contribution)

Although drug testing makes sense, it is also important that we have drug and alcohol treatment f...

James Cleverly | 741 cc726-7 (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Gentleman makes an incredibly important point. Of course, this Bill focuses on the crime...

Florence Eshalomi | 741 c727 (Link to this contribution)

I welcome the Home Secretary to his position. He rightly says that a new proposal is being brough...

James Cleverly | 741 c727 (Link to this contribution)

We are taking action to ensure that police officers, both at the start of their career and throug...

Maria Miller | 741 c727 (Link to this contribution)

I thank my right hon. Friend and his colleagues for their fantastic work in implementing the Law ...

James Cleverly | 741 c728 (Link to this contribution)

I welcome my right hon. Friend’s intervention. I am more than happy to ensure that her point is d...

Barry Sheerman | 741 c728 (Link to this contribution)

I welcome the Home Secretary to his post. Not only is he the Home Secretary, but he is an old fri...

James Cleverly | 741 cc728-9 (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Gentleman makes an incredibly important point. Sadly, far too many people have, like him...

Layla Moran | 741 c729 (Link to this contribution)

The Home Secretary will be aware of the campaign across the House to scrap the Vagrancy Act 1824,...

James Cleverly | 741 c729 (Link to this contribution)

We have committed to scrapping the 1824 Act, and nobody should or will be criminalised simply for...

Layla Moran | 741 c729 (Link to this contribution)

I thank the Home Secretary for giving way again; I will not test his patience too much more. Howe...

James Cleverly | 741 c729 (Link to this contribution)

We have presented a Bill and the House has the opportunity to debate it. So rather than having co...

Paula Barker | 741 c730 (Link to this contribution)

I wish to share my concerns, which are those the hon. Lady has mentioned. The Bill introduces a w...

James Cleverly | 741 c730 (Link to this contribution)

The Bill makes it clear that any actions that will be taken will be in response to a continuing r...

Richard Graham | 741 c730 (Link to this contribution)

The Home Secretary is right to say that the Vagrancy Act, as it comes to its bicentenary, is ripe...

James Cleverly | 741 c730 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend makes an important point about the need to update a number of provisions, includin...

Robert Neill | 741 c730 (Link to this contribution)

These matters raise the issue of proportionality, and I am sympathetic to the Government’s positi...

James Cleverly | 741 c730 (Link to this contribution)

My long-standing hon. Friend makes a number of points. Of course we want to ensure the Bill works...

Robert Buckland | 741 c731 (Link to this contribution)

In that spirit, on the basis that this is Second Reading and there are opportunities for this oth...

James Cleverly | 741 cc731-2 (Link to this contribution)

My right hon. and learned Friend makes some important and useful points based on his extensive ex...

Diana Johnson | 741 c732 (Link to this contribution)

While fraud accounts for 40% of recorded crime at the moment, only 1% of police resources are use...

James Cleverly | 741 c732 (Link to this contribution)

By the nature of this crime type, specialism in investigation is inevitable. Ultimately, the trai...

Robert Neill | 741 c732 (Link to this contribution)

Will my right hon. Friend give way a final time?

Robert Neill | 741 c732 (Link to this contribution)

It may save the House hearing from me at some length later.

I welcome the measures on fraud...

James Cleverly | 741 cc732-3 (Link to this contribution)

Once again, my hon. Friend makes a good point. We are always willing to listen to suggestions fro...

Robert Buckland | 741 c733 (Link to this contribution)

Will my right hon. Friend give way?

James Cleverly | 741 c733 (Link to this contribution)

I am sorry, but I promised Madam Deputy Speaker that I would be winding up.

Last year, the ...

Sarah Champion | 741 c733 (Link to this contribution)

I am incredibly grateful to the Home Secretary for bringing forward legislation on sexual offende...

James Cleverly | 741 cc733-4 (Link to this contribution)

It is because we will have to bring it through as an amendment, but I can assure the hon. Lady th...

Yvette Cooper | 741 cc734-5 (Link to this contribution)

It is good to see the Home Secretary in his place. He was not here for the urgent question earlie...

Barry Sheerman | 741 c735 (Link to this contribution)

My right hon. Friend is speaking with great authority on this. Every Member of this House knows h...

Yvette Cooper | 741 c735 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend is right that huge damage has been done to policing and the criminal justice syste...

Barry Sheerman | 741 c735 (Link to this contribution)

One more very small point: I think my right hon. Friend knows of my interest in miscarriages of j...

Yvette Cooper | 741 cc735-6 (Link to this contribution)

It is certainly the case that far too many victims are not getting justice, because they are eith...

Paula Barker | 741 c736 (Link to this contribution)

In February last year, both Houses of Parliament supported the repeal of the Vagrancy Act 1824 vi...

Yvette Cooper | 741 cc736-7 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend makes an important point about the detail and I hope that, in the evidence-gatheri...

Meg Hillier | 741 c737 (Link to this contribution)

The week before last, during Respect for Shopworkers Week, I had the pleasure of visiting one of ...

Yvette Cooper | 741 c737 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend is absolutely right about the impact of shoplifting. If town centres do not feel s...

Chris Philp | 741 c737 (Link to this contribution)

We do take retail theft and shoplifting very seriously and agree that more needs to be done, but ...

Yvette Cooper | 741 c738 (Link to this contribution)

I would gently say to the Minister that the fact that it is an announcement—

Yvette Cooper | 741 c738 (Link to this contribution)

It is a plan; it is not even an announcement of something that is going to happen. It is an annou...

Chris Philp | 741 c738 (Link to this contribution)

Will the right hon. Lady give way?

Yvette Cooper | 741 c738 (Link to this contribution)

I will give way, because the Policing Minister is a glutton for punishment on this one.

Chris Philp | 741 c738 (Link to this contribution)

The shadow Home Secretary is very kind to give way. I am sorry that facts and figures get in the ...

Yvette Cooper | 741 cc738-9 (Link to this contribution)

This is the problem with the Policing Minister: he just thinks that the country has never had it ...

Andy McDonald | 741 c739 (Link to this contribution)

On the restoration of police numbers, may I inform the Policing Minister that in Cleveland the nu...

Yvette Cooper | 741 cc739-740 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend makes an important point—[Interruption.] I do not think the claims made from a sed...

Priti Patel | 741 cc740-1 (Link to this contribution)

It is a pleasure to follow the opening Front-Bench speeches, to which I have listened with intere...

Meg Hillier | 741 c741 (Link to this contribution)

The right hon. Lady talks about having confidence in the criminal justice system. I will park for...

Priti Patel | 741 cc741-2 (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Member is absolutely right. We have discussed that issue more broadly in relation to an ...

Yvette Cooper | 741 c742 (Link to this contribution)

I know that the former Home Secretary takes the police covenant very seriously. Does she agree th...

Priti Patel | 741 c742 (Link to this contribution)

The right hon. Lady is absolutely right; we have had discussions about that point previously. I t...

Richard Graham | 741 c742 (Link to this contribution)

I was moved, around the period of remembrance, that Gloucestershire Constabulary arranged for a s...

Priti Patel | 741 cc742-5 (Link to this contribution)

That is a very nice practical example of a community coming together to commemorate and recognise...

Kit Malthouse | 741 c745 (Link to this contribution)

I share my right hon. Friend’s slight misgivings about that clause; it will be interesting to hea...

Priti Patel | 741 cc745-6 (Link to this contribution)

I thank my right hon. Friend for his intervention. He and I spent a great deal of time discussing...

Chris Stephens | 741 cc746-9 (Link to this contribution)

It is a pleasure to follow the former Home Secretary, the right hon. Member for Witham (Priti Pat...

Tracey Crouch | 741 cc749-750 (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful to have the opportunity to speak about this very important Bill, and it is of cours...

Stella Creasy | 741 c750 (Link to this contribution)

What the hon. Lady is saying is incredibly powerful, and I wholeheartedly agree with her. Does sh...

Tracey Crouch | 741 cc750-2 (Link to this contribution)

I completely agree with the hon. Lady. People who find themselves sleeping rough on the streets a...

Nigel Evans | 741 c752 (Link to this contribution)

I call the Chair of the Home Affairs Committee.

3.45 pm

Diana Johnson | 741 cc752-3 (Link to this contribution)

Thank you, Mr Deputy Speaker, for calling me to speak on the Second Reading of the Criminal Justi...

Priti Patel | 741 c753 (Link to this contribution)

The right hon. Lady is making a powerful speech and has concentrated on the ethics of policing in...

Diana Johnson | 741 cc754-6 (Link to this contribution)

I am very grateful to the right hon. Lady, who speaks with great knowledge about this area and ab...

Maria Miller | 741 cc756-8 (Link to this contribution)

It is a great pleasure to follow the right hon. Member for Kingston upon Hull North (Dame Diana J...

Tracey Crouch | 741 c758 (Link to this contribution)

I want to put on the record, for clarity, that the Bill contains separate provisions to deal with...

Maria Miller | 741 cc758-9 (Link to this contribution)

Let me confirm that I was talking about rough sleeping. The antisocial behaviour action plan, whi...

Sarah Champion | 741 cc759-761 (Link to this contribution)

This Bill presents a precious opportunity to address some of the big problems that exist within o...

James Wild | 741 cc761-3 (Link to this contribution)

I rise to support the Bill, which will help to make our constituents safer, including by imposing...

Stella Creasy | 741 cc762-5 (Link to this contribution)

There are a number of measures in the Bill that we can all agree are very welcome, and I want to ...

Bob Stewart | 741 c765 (Link to this contribution)

I have been listening very carefully to the hon. Lady. Can I ask her to explain why there is a su...

Stella Creasy | 741 cc765-7 (Link to this contribution)

I wish I could tell the hon. Gentleman what I think is the cause for sure. There are a number of ...

Caroline Ansell | 741 c767 (Link to this contribution)

I am pleased to welcome the Bill, and many of the measures to tackle serious organised crime and ...

Bob Stewart | 741 c767 (Link to this contribution)

May I ask my hon. Friend what the reason is for a tenfold increase in cuckooing in Eastbourne?

Caroline Ansell | 741 cc767-8 (Link to this contribution)

I thank my right hon. and gallant Friend for his question. I cannot explain the increase in Eastb...

Florence Eshalomi | 741 c768 (Link to this contribution)

I rise to speak to some of the amendments and proposals outlined in this Bill, and to echo some o...

Bob Stewart | 741 c768 (Link to this contribution)

I totally agree with what the hon. Lady has said. Are we envisaging someone who refuses point bla...

Florence Eshalomi | 741 c769 (Link to this contribution)

This is where we need clarity, not only for offenders but for prison officers who are going to be...

Stella Creasy | 741 c769 (Link to this contribution)

Given that this is a Home Office Bill, does my hon. Friend recognise that one of the challenges w...

Florence Eshalomi | 741 cc769-771 (Link to this contribution)

I thank my hon. Friend for raising that matter, because it is as if she is reading my mind. Our a...

John Hayes | 741 cc771-2 (Link to this contribution)

The Conservative writer and statesman John Buchan said:

“You think that a wall as solid as ...

Richard Graham | 741 c772 (Link to this contribution)

Does my right hon. Friend agree that the power of community payback is enormous, visible and make...

John Hayes | 741 c773 (Link to this contribution)

Yes, but it is a big mistake to assume that the principle aim of criminal justice is to avoid rec...

Meg Hillier | 741 cc773-7 (Link to this contribution)

I thank the right hon. Member for South Holland and The Deepings (Sir John Hayes) for his contrib...

Priti Patel | 741 c777 (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Lady and I see eye to eye on quite a few of the points that have been raised today. She ...

Meg Hillier | 741 c777 (Link to this contribution)

The right hon. Lady and I are perhaps surprised to find ourselves in such agreement, but absolute...

John Hayes | 741 c778 (Link to this contribution)

Does the hon. Lady agree that perpetual shoplifters of the kind she describes, who intimidate peo...

Meg Hillier | 741 c778 (Link to this contribution)

Again, I find myself breaking out in agreement with the right hon. Gentleman.

If the sancti...

Florence Eshalomi | 741 c778 (Link to this contribution)

One of my conversations with shop workers was about the mental health impact of being attacked an...

Meg Hillier | 741 cc778-9 (Link to this contribution)

I absolutely agree with my hon. Friend. Like her, I have spoken to shopkeepers and it is hearteni...

Priti Patel | 741 c779 (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Lady is absolutely right. We can all reflect on where other parts of the state drop the ...

Meg Hillier | 741 cc779-780 (Link to this contribution)

I absolutely agree on that, and we need resourcing for that early intervention. Something we look...

Diana Johnson | 741 c780 (Link to this contribution)

I am pleased that my right hon. Friend is talking about fraud. The Home Affairs Committee has jus...

Meg Hillier | 741 c780 (Link to this contribution)

I absolutely am. I recommend to my right hon. Friend our report of this year and, I am sorry to s...

John Hayes | 741 c780 (Link to this contribution)

The right hon. Lady may recall that when I was a Home Office Minister—we are all sharing our Home...

Meg Hillier | 741 cc780-2 (Link to this contribution)

I do not dispute what the right hon. Gentleman says, but there is a danger that that lets the Hom...

Julie Marson | 741 cc782-4 (Link to this contribution)

It is a pleasure to speak in this debate and to accept the Home Secretary’s invitation to get beh...

Richard Graham | 741 cc784-5 (Link to this contribution)

What a pleasure to follow my hon. Friend the Member for Hertford and Stortford (Julie Marson) and...

Rob Butler | 741 cc785-8 (Link to this contribution)

It is a pleasure to follow my hon. Friend the Member for Gloucester (Richard Graham).

This ...

Roger Gale | 741 c788 (Link to this contribution)

I call the Opposition Front-Bench spokesman to wind up the debate.

6.1 pm

Alex Cunningham | 741 cc788-791 (Link to this contribution)

Over the past 13 years, our criminal justice system—once the envy of the world—has crumbled as a ...

Laura Farris | 741 c791 (Link to this contribution)

It is a pleasure to close this important debate on the Second Reading of the Criminal Justice Bil...

Laura Farris | 741 c791 (Link to this contribution)

I will not because I have little time. That survey provides a more reliable measure of long-term ...

Yvette Cooper | 741 c791 (Link to this contribution)

Will the Minister give way on that point?

Laura Farris | 741 c791 (Link to this contribution)

If we use the correct measure, the regrettable conclusion for the Opposition is that like-for-lik...

Laura Farris | 741 c791 (Link to this contribution)

Violent crime is down from where it was in 2010 by 52%, and domestic burglaries are down by 57%. ...

Laura Farris | 741 c791 (Link to this contribution)

Domestic abuse, a sensitive category of crime, has fallen between 2019, before the pandemic, to t...

Roger Gale | 741 c792 (Link to this contribution)

Order. Even the right hon. Member for Normanton, Pontefract and Castleford (Yvette Cooper) has to...

Laura Farris | 741 c792 (Link to this contribution)

My time is limited and I apologise for that.

Yvette Cooper | 741 c792 (Link to this contribution)

On a point of order, Mr Deputy Speaker. The Minister will know that the time is not limited. We d...

Roger Gale | 741 c792 (Link to this contribution)

That is not strictly a point of order for the Chair. The right hon. Lady understands the procedur...

Laura Farris | 741 cc792-3 (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Member for Stockton North (Alex Cunningham) said that this Government have failed in the...

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