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NHS Funding Bill

Legislative Grand Committee. Clauses 1 and 2, together with amendments and new clauses, debated. Clause 1, amendment 2, negatived on division (163 to 300). Clause 1, amendment 3, negatived on division (161 to 298). Clauses 1 and 2 stand part, agreed to on question. New clause 4, negatived on division (162 to 298). Bill reported, without amendment. Bill not amended in Legislative Grand Committee (England), considered. The House forthwith resolved itself in the Legislative Grand Committee (England). Consent motion agreed to on question. The Occupant of the Chair left the Chair to report the decision of the Committee. The Deputy Speaker resumed the Chair, decision reported. Proceedings interrupted in accordance with the Programme motion. Third reading. Bill passed.
Type
Parliamentary proceeding
Reference
671 cc211-277 
Session
2019-21
Chamber / Committee
House of Commons chamber
NHS Funding Bill 2019-21
Wednesday, 15 January 2020
Bills
House of Commons
Proceeding contributions
Baroness Winterton of Doncaster | 671 c212 (Link to this contribution)

I remind hon. Members that if there is a Division only Members representing constituencies in Eng...

Justin Madders | 671 c212 (Link to this contribution)

I beg to move amendment 2, page 1, line 10, at end insert—

“(1A) The amount spent on mental...


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Baroness Winterton of Doncaster | 671 cc212-4 (Link to this contribution)

With this it will be convenient to discuss the following:

Amendment 1, page 1, line 14, at ...

Justin Madders | 671 cc213-5 (Link to this contribution)

It is a pleasure to see you in the Chair, Dame Rosie. In my speech I will address amendment 2 and...

Pete Wishart | 671 c215 (Link to this contribution)

I do not want to detain the hon. Gentleman too long, because he is making a very good speech and ...

Justin Madders | 671 cc215-6 (Link to this contribution)

I thank the hon. Gentleman for his intervention. I understand his frustration absolutely. I think...

Gareth Thomas | 671 c216 (Link to this contribution)

I wonder if I could raise with my hon. Friend an example that I think makes his point, which is t...

Justin Madders | 671 c217 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend sets out very clearly the challenge that the Government face from the debt situati...

Alex Cunningham | 671 c217 (Link to this contribution)

It is not within the Bill’s scope to press the Government on the need to have funding restored to...

Justin Madders | 671 c218 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend is absolutely right: it is a matter of some regret that public health has not been...

Gareth Thomas | 671 c218 (Link to this contribution)

In support of the case that my hon. Friend is making, I again mention Northwick Park Hospital, wh...

Justin Madders | 671 c219 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend is again showing what an assiduous and determined constituency MP he is. He might ...

Alex Cunningham | 671 c219 (Link to this contribution)

When my hon. Friend talks about capital, I think of the hospital that was cancelled for my consti...

Justin Madders | 671 c219 (Link to this contribution)

I am sure that if my hon. Friend continues with his determined campaign, he will see that hospita...

Dan Poulter | 671 c219 (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Gentleman is making some very fair points about the importance of investing in hospital ...

Justin Madders | 671 c219 (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Gentleman makes an important point. We have all heard horror stories of workers in the h...

Mark Tami | 671 c219 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend will agree on the importance of the Countess of Chester Hospital to his area and m...

Justin Madders | 671 cc220-1 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend makes a pertinent point. Both my parents are residents of north Wales but on occas...

Alun Cairns | 671 c221 (Link to this contribution)

I note the statistics the hon. Member has shared with the House, but how do they compare to the o...

Justin Madders | 671 c221 (Link to this contribution)

Across the piece, some areas in Wales are actually performing better than areas in England. The d...

Gareth Thomas | 671 c221 (Link to this contribution)

I want to raise again the example of Northwick Park Hospital, which serves my constituents. It ha...

Justin Madders | 671 cc221-3 (Link to this contribution)

There has to be a correlation between the number of closures my hon. Friend is seeing and his CCG...

Philippa Whitford | 671 c223 (Link to this contribution)

Is that not the most critical weakness in the Bill? Given that inflation is expected to rise afte...

Justin Madders | 671 c223 (Link to this contribution)

There are indeed many weaknesses in the Bill, which, given that it is so short, is quite an achie...

Jeremy Hunt | 671 c224 (Link to this contribution)

It is a great pleasure to follow the hon. Member for Ellesmere Port and Neston (Justin Madders). ...

Stephanie Peacock | 671 c224 (Link to this contribution)

Does the right hon. Gentleman share my concern about the fact that the mental health charity Comb...

Jeremy Hunt | 671 cc224-5 (Link to this contribution)

I am well aware of the fantastic work done by Combat Stress, and I think it is important for it t...

Steve Double | 671 c225 (Link to this contribution)

No, you are meant to face the Chair.

Jeremy Hunt | 671 cc225-6 (Link to this contribution)

Thank you. I am sorry—I am new to this Back-Bench stuff. Apologies for not facing the Chair. I wi...

Mark Tami | 671 c226 (Link to this contribution)

Is not that the key point? Young people’s experience of CAMHS on the ground is that they just can...

Jeremy Hunt | 671 c226 (Link to this contribution)

The hon Gentleman is absolutely right. On both sides of the Chamber, we are totally committed to ...

David Simmonds | 671 c226 (Link to this contribution)

In support of what my right hon. Friend has said, I think that one of this Government’s great ini...

Jeremy Hunt | 671 c226 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend has huge experience of this in local government, and he is absolutely right. The b...

Baroness Keeley | 671 c226 (Link to this contribution)

I would like the right hon. Gentleman to consider whether he supports an important proposal that ...

Jeremy Hunt | 671 cc227-8 (Link to this contribution)

They are both interesting ideas. The plan at the moment is that resource will be given to schools...

Jerome Mayhew | 671 c228 (Link to this contribution)

I declare an interest in that, a long time ago, I was a personal injury barrister, including in c...

Jeremy Hunt | 671 c228 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend makes an important suggestion. We considered such a thing when I was at the Depart...

Pete Wishart | 671 c228 (Link to this contribution)

I congratulate the right hon. Gentleman on securing the chairmanship of the Health and Social Car...

Jeremy Hunt | 671 c229 (Link to this contribution)

I do, because this Bill about the NHS in England. It would be nice if we occasionally had a word ...

Alex Cunningham | 671 c229 (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful to the former Secretary of State for giving way. I admire his admitting his role in...

Jeremy Hunt | 671 c229 (Link to this contribution)

I can be honest with the hon. Gentleman and say that I regret not being able to build lots of hos...

Philippa Whitford | 671 c229 (Link to this contribution)

I thank the right hon. Gentleman for giving way. I welcome his suggestion of a central design tea...

Jeremy Hunt | 671 cc229-230 (Link to this contribution)

I agree with the hon. Lady. Maintenance is a big issue in many hospitals. A number of hospitals a...

David Simmonds | 671 c230 (Link to this contribution)

My right hon. Friend mentioned targets and people getting access to care. The hon. Member for Har...

Jeremy Hunt | 671 cc230-1 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend neatly makes the point that I was hoping to make next. I will elaborate on the bri...

Jeremy Hunt | 671 c231 (Link to this contribution)

It was always the final point, and it is very much the final point.

The other area that is ...

Patrick Grady | 671 c231 (Link to this contribution)

Finally, here we are, in the English Parliament after all these years. Isn’t it great? The Mace i...

Pete Wishart | 671 c232 (Link to this contribution)

I wonder whether, like me, my hon. Friend feels that this English Parliament is actually pretty s...

Patrick Grady | 671 c232 (Link to this contribution)

Yes; I absolutely agree. My hon. Friend is right: I barely noticed the difference as this place m...

Neil Gray | 671 c232 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend’s secondment to the English Parliament is going rather well so far, although it is...

Patrick Grady | 671 c232 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend is absolutely right; and we raised those points five years ago, when the EVEL proc...

Mark Tami | 671 c232 (Link to this contribution)

I have never been a member of the Procedure Committee. The Countess of Chester, which is a founda...

Patrick Grady | 671 cc232-3 (Link to this contribution)

There we go. We have now had as many Welsh and Scottish Members contributing from the Floor, as M...

Philippa Whitford | 671 c233 (Link to this contribution)

Does my hon. Friend agree that, as I mentioned earlier, the fact that inflation could make these ...

Patrick Grady | 671 c233 (Link to this contribution)

Yes; my hon. Friend is absolutely right, and we would be very happy to support new clause 5 if th...

Philippa Whitford | 671 c233 (Link to this contribution)

It is often cast up here that the Government in Scotland are not spending all the Barnett consequ...

Patrick Grady | 671 c233 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend is absolutely right on that. The Scottish National party has always pledged—we hav...

Philippa Whitford | 671 c234 (Link to this contribution)

Does my hon. Friend agree that “per capita” is a much more informative way of describing spending...

Patrick Grady | 671 c234 (Link to this contribution)

I thank my hon. Friend for that. The contributions she is making demonstrate precisely why Member...

Pete Wishart | 671 c234 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend has taken over the EVEL mantle with great aplomb. I understand that the “England o...

Patrick Grady | 671 c234 (Link to this contribution)

It really does not feel like that at the moment, does it? Hear no EVEL, see no EVEL, speak no EVE...

Drew Hendry | 671 c234 (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful to my hon. Friend for allowing me to speak in the English Parliament for the

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Baroness Winterton of Doncaster | 671 c235 (Link to this contribution)

Order. I am sure colleagues will appreciate that it is important that we actually talk about the ...

Patrick Grady | 671 c235 (Link to this contribution)

I wholeheartedly agree, Dame Rosie. I have addressed the amendments that we have an interest in, ...

Anne Marie Morris | 671 cc235-6 (Link to this contribution)

I rise to speak to new clause 9, tabled in my name and those of the hon. Member for Central Ayrsh...

Philippa Whitford | 671 c236 (Link to this contribution)

We have discussed today, and on many other occasions, the issues relating to child and adolescent...

Anne Marie Morris | 671 c236 (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Lady makes an apposite and correct point. We cannot talk about mental health just within...

Dan Poulter | 671 c236 (Link to this contribution)

I thank my hon. Friend for giving way. She is making some very good points. An interesting amendm...

Anne Marie Morris | 671 c236 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend is right in that the things that are relevant to mental health cannot exclude the ...

John Redwood | 671 c237 (Link to this contribution)

I should like to reinforce that point. I in my constituency, as she in hers no doubt, have need t...

Anne Marie Morris | 671 c237 (Link to this contribution)

That point is extremely well made. Let me say, if I may, that there is also a challenge for any G...

Munira Wilson | 671 c237 (Link to this contribution)

I agree with the hon. Lady’s point about measuring outputs as well as inputs, but does she agree ...

Anne Marie Morris | 671 cc237-8 (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Lady makes a very good point—I think there are probably two points there. The first is w...

Steve Brine | 671 c238 (Link to this contribution)

I support what my hon. Friend is saying in her new clause about outputs. This is an issue that I ...

Anne Marie Morris | 671 c238 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend makes an excellent point. Just like physical health checks, which are very much pa...

Philippa Whitford | 671 c238 (Link to this contribution)

Does the hon. Member recognise that we all know what we should be doing to look after our physica...

Anne Marie Morris | 671 c239 (Link to this contribution)

That is one of the best points that I have heard in this debate, and it is extremely well made. H...

Philippa Whitford | 671 c239 (Link to this contribution)

Is it not particular to mental health that when we use the phrase “mental health” we actually mea...

Anne Marie Morris | 671 c239 (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Lady is absolutely right. The challenge, as she recognises, is how we change the languag...

Preet Kaur Gill | 671 cc240-1 (Link to this contribution)

I rise to speak to the amendments in my name and the names of my colleagues.

As we have all...

Bim Afolami | 671 cc241-3 (Link to this contribution)

It is a pleasure to speak in this debate, because it is a rare one in so far as there is quite a ...

Munira Wilson | 671 cc243-5 (Link to this contribution)

I wish to speak to new clause 2, which is tabled in my name and those of my Liberal Democrat coll...

Lucy Allan | 671 cc245-7 (Link to this contribution)

What a pleasure it has been to listen to so many excellent speeches. In particular, I want to say...

Alex Cunningham | 671 c247 (Link to this contribution)

You, Dame Eleanor, were not in the Chamber when the hon. Member for Glasgow North (Patrick Grady)...

Baroness Laing of Elderslie | 671 c247 (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Gentleman asks for clarification and raises a point that I have many times had cause to ...

Alex Cunningham | 671 cc247-9 (Link to this contribution)

I am very grateful, Madam Deputy Speaker.

Amendment 2 concerns spending on mental health se...

Alex Cunningham | 671 c249 (Link to this contribution)

I am glad that he is nodding his head. Ten years ago, the Tory-Lib Dem Government cancelled the p...

Suella Braverman | 671 cc249-251 (Link to this contribution)

I rise to speak in favour of the clauses in the Bill and against the amendments. I do not think t...

Laura Trott | 671 cc251-3 (Link to this contribution)

Members across the House have spoken about the importance of unanimity of purpose on mental healt...

Lee Rowley | 671 cc253-5 (Link to this contribution)

It is a pleasure to follow my hon. Friend the Member for Sevenoaks (Laura Trott), not least becau...

Jane Hunt | 671 cc255-6 (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful to my east midlands colleague, my hon. Friend the Member for North East Derbyshire ...

Patrick Grady | 671 c256 (Link to this contribution)

On a point of order, Dame Eleanor. I notice that it is now 5.10 pm and that the Minister is about...

Baroness Laing of Elderslie | 671 c256 (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Gentleman is absolutely right in regard to the procedure. If we finish this part of the ...

Edward Argar | 671 cc256-7 (Link to this contribution)

In the 15 or so minutes remaining to me, I will endeavour to address all the points that have bee...

Edward Argar | 671 c257 (Link to this contribution)

I will give way very briefly, because the hon. Gentleman is eating into his own time.

Pete Wishart | 671 c257 (Link to this contribution)

The Minister is in a very accommodating mood. Does he accept that this Bill has funding implicati...

Edward Argar | 671 cc257-8 (Link to this contribution)

As has been very clear throughout the progression of this Bill so far, there are Barnett conseque...

Theo Clarke | 671 c258 (Link to this contribution)

This Bill is about funding, but buildings and services are key to delivering on our national heal...

Edward Argar | 671 c258 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend is a sound and vocal champion for her constituents in Stafford. I am sure that she...

Edward Argar | 671 cc258-260 (Link to this contribution)

I will not, if the hon. Gentleman will forgive me, as I only have 10 minutes or so left.

Th...

Baroness Laing of Elderslie | 671 cc259-261 (Link to this contribution)

Under the programme order of 27 January, I must now put the Questions necessary to dispose of the...

Baroness Laing of Elderslie | 671 c261 (Link to this contribution)

I could, but we might get to the stage where there are no votes at all.

When the proceeding...

Pete Wishart | 671 c261 (Link to this contribution)

On a point of order, Dame Eleanor. I am very sorry, but although I was listening very carefully, ...

Baroness Laing of Elderslie | 671 c261 (Link to this contribution)

I fully appreciate that the hon. Gentleman may not have caught all of that, but I happen to know ...

Baroness Laing of Elderslie | 671 c261 (Link to this contribution)

Will the Serjeant at Arms please investigate the delay in the Aye Lobby?

Patrick Grady | 671 c262 (Link to this contribution)

On a point of order, Dame Eleanor. I think that we should mark this moment. This is the busiest t...

Baroness Laing of Elderslie | 671 c262 (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful to the hon. Gentleman for expressing his concerns in such an articulate fashion, an...

Ian Blackford | 671 c262 (Link to this contribution)

On a point of order, Dame Eleanor. Perhaps you can enlighten me. Is this indeed the first time th...

Baroness Laing of Elderslie | 671 c266 (Link to this contribution)

I am afraid that the right hon. Gentleman does not quite explain the situation as it really is. Y...

Michael Gove | 671 c266 (Link to this contribution)

Further to that point of order, Dame Eleanor. Is it not the case that health is a devolved matter...

Baroness Laing of Elderslie | 671 c266 (Link to this contribution)

I fully appreciate the point—[Interruption.] Order. This will not degenerate into a shouting matc...

Martin Docherty-Hughes | 671 c266 (Link to this contribution)

On a point of order, Dame Eleanor. I have due regard for your judgments. When I first rose to spe...

Baroness Laing of Elderslie | 671 c266 (Link to this contribution)

I fully appreciate the point that the hon. Gentleman raises, and there may well be Barnett conseq...

Maria Miller | 671 c267 (Link to this contribution)

On a point of order, Dame Eleanor. I know that Mr Speaker has strict rules about the use of promo...

Baroness Laing of Elderslie | 671 c267 (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful to the right hon. Lady. I must say to her and to the Committee that I was hoping th...

Baroness Laing of Elderslie | 671 c267 (Link to this contribution)

I ask the Serjeant at Arms to investigate the delay in the Aye Lobby.

Baroness Laing of Elderslie | 671 c275 (Link to this contribution)

There are no amendments on consideration.

Patrick Grady | 671 c275 (Link to this contribution)

On a point of order, Madam Deputy Speaker. It is great to be back in the United Kingdom Parliamen...

Baroness Laing of Elderslie | 671 c275 (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Gentleman’s analysis is not wrong. The knife has fallen. The House voted some days ago t...

Edward Argar | 671 c275 (Link to this contribution)

indicated assent.

The House forthwith resolved itself into the Legislative Grand Committee ...

Baroness Laing of Elderslie | 671 c275 (Link to this contribution)

I remind hon. Members, although I do not think there is any need for reminding at this stage, tha...

Patrick Grady | 671 c275 (Link to this contribution)

On a point of order, Dame Eleanor. We are back in the English Parliament again and the absurdity ...

Baroness Laing of Elderslie | 671 c276 (Link to this contribution)

It is not as if any hon. Member of this House is ever invisible or, indeed, inaudible, but merely...

Pete Wishart | 671 c276 (Link to this contribution)

On a point of order, Dame Eleanor. [Interruption.] I hear the groans from my Conservative colleag...

Baroness Laing of Elderslie | 671 c276 (Link to this contribution)

I understand the point that the hon. Gentleman makes. I would say, as Mr Speaker always says, and...

Martin Docherty-Hughes | 671 c276 (Link to this contribution)

On a point of order, Dame Eleanor. I always have due regard for you and anyone who sits in the Ch...

Baroness Laing of Elderslie | 671 c276 (Link to this contribution)

I believe I can, but as their voices have been drowned out by the English “Ayes”, I cannot hear t...

Ian Blackford | 671 c277 (Link to this contribution)

On a point of order, Dame Eleanor. I am grateful to you for allowing this point of order. I wonde...

Baroness Laing of Elderslie | 671 c277 (Link to this contribution)

That is not a point of order for the Chair, and my opinion on the matter is irrelevant. We have h...

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