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Crime (Overseas Production Orders) Bill [Lords]

Debate on bills on Wednesday, 30 January 2019, in the House of Commons, led by Ben Wallace. The answering member was Nick Thomas-Symonds.
Report stage. New clause 1, discussed with amendments, debated and agreed to on division (310 to 257). Amendment to clause 1 negatived on division (276 to 297). Some amendments made. Third reading. Agreed to on question. Bill passed, with amendments.
Type
Parliamentary proceeding
Reference
653 cc849-892 
Session
2017-19
Department
Home Office
Legislative stage
Third reading and Report stage
Procedure
New clauses
Chamber / Committee
House of Commons chamber
Crime (Overseas Production Orders) Bill
Tuesday, 29 January 2019
Research briefings
Crime (Overseas Production Orders) Bill (HL) 2017-19. As amended in Public Bill Committee
Tuesday, 18 December 2018
Bills
House of Commons
Crime (Overseas Production Orders) Bill (HL) 2017-19. Commons amendments.
Thursday, 31 January 2019
Bills
House of Lords
Proceeding contributions
Ben Wallace | 653 c849 (Link to this contribution)

I beg to move, That the clause be read a Second time.

John Bercow | 653 cc849-851 (Link to this contribution)

With this it will be convenient to discuss the following:

Amendment 1, in clause 1, page 1,...


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Ben Wallace | 653 cc851-3 (Link to this contribution)

May I begin by making a slight apology to the House? As the amendments have been grouped together...

Nick Thomas-Symonds | 653 c853 (Link to this contribution)

As the Security Minister well knows, we have been working constructively on this Bill and I will ...

Ben Wallace | 653 c854 (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Gentleman offers an incredibly selective quote from the ruling in the High Court by the ...

Nick Thomas-Symonds | 653 c854 (Link to this contribution)

I am in favour of speeding up the data exchange. Under the mutual legal assistance treaty, since ...

Ben Wallace | 653 c854 (Link to this contribution)

I am going to stand up for the security of our citizens and a responsible Government have to bala...

Ann Coffey | 653 c854 (Link to this contribution)

Does the Minister agree that this should not be a point of political division in this House? It i...

Ben Wallace | 653 c854 (Link to this contribution)

I totally agree. The hon. Lady will have heard the example I had to listen to. That was a soberin...

Chris Leslie | 653 c855 (Link to this contribution)

The Minister is making an important case for the provisions in the Bill, and I agree that we have...

Ben Wallace | 653 c855 (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Gentleman is right. Further amendments that we have tabled provide for concessions to pr...

Ed Davey | 653 c855 (Link to this contribution)

I hope the Minister recognises that all Members on both sides of the House want to find ways of s...

Ben Wallace | 653 c856 (Link to this contribution)

I have personally asked them to look at carve-outs in that area, and I know that officials are st...

Ben Wallace | 653 c856 (Link to this contribution)

I will press on, because I want to give the House an example. An operation commenced in August 20...

Ed Davey | 653 c856 (Link to this contribution)

I repeat that the case the Minister is making is supported on both sides of the House. I very muc...

Ben Wallace | 653 c857 (Link to this contribution)

I understand what the right hon. Gentleman is saying, and I do not question his heartfelt desire ...

Lord Walney | 653 c857 (Link to this contribution)

Are we not in danger of believing that there is a false choice between upholding the UK’s interna...

Ben Wallace | 653 c857 (Link to this contribution)

Yes, and in answer to the amendment that was tabled but not selected, Ministers are obliged to ac...

Dominic Grieve | 653 cc857-8 (Link to this contribution)

First, I want to confirm what my right hon. Friend has said. This treaty being negotiated with Un...

Ben Wallace | 653 c858 (Link to this contribution)

My right hon. and learned Friend, whom I have known a long time, is the straightest politician in...

Ben Wallace | 653 c858 (Link to this contribution)

I will come to the right hon. Gentleman. All the amendments are grouped, so we have plenty of tim...

Nick Thomas-Symonds | 653 c858 (Link to this contribution)

I regret the Minister’s tone in places, because it is clear that we have worked together on this ...

Ben Wallace | 653 c859 (Link to this contribution)

No. The Labour Front-Bench team are saying that if we do not get what they want, we should block ...

Ed Davey | 653 c859 (Link to this contribution)

The Minister is being generous in giving way. I repeat that, as he knows, both sides of the House...

Ben Wallace | 653 cc859-863 (Link to this contribution)

I refer the right hon. Gentleman to the rulings by the High Court and the Lord Chief Justice. On ...

Huw Merriman | 653 c862 (Link to this contribution)

I thank the Minister for listening to those representations. As he says, I declare an interest as...

Ben Wallace | 653 c862 (Link to this contribution)

I am incredibly grateful to my hon. Friend for that. I am not a journalist by background; I think...

Ben Wallace | 653 cc862-4 (Link to this contribution)

A lawyer—oh.

All Members have raised the importance of protecting journalistic freedom, and...

Huw Merriman | 653 c864 (Link to this contribution)

I should point out that unlike the Opposition amendment—I think the shadow Front-Bench team large...

Ben Wallace | 653 c864 (Link to this contribution)

Yes, my hon. Friend makes a true point. We have put in a carve-out for some very urgent situation...

Baroness Laing of Elderslie | 653 c864 (Link to this contribution)

Order. Before we continue with the debate, the House has the exciting prospect of the results of ...

Nick Thomas-Symonds | 653 c865 (Link to this contribution)

The first thing I should point out is that everyone in the House wants to see a way in which the ...

Huw Merriman | 653 c865 (Link to this contribution)

I apologise if I have got this wrong, but my understanding is that the hon. Gentleman’s amendment...

Nick Thomas-Symonds | 653 c865 (Link to this contribution)

All I will say is that I had discussions about that amendment and others with the Minister, and t...

Huw Merriman | 653 c865 (Link to this contribution)

I absolutely accept that. The hon. Gentleman will know that he and I worked closely throughout th...

Nick Thomas-Symonds | 653 c865 (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful to the hon. Gentleman for acknowledging that.

Let me turn to the issue of dea...

Gavin Shuker | 653 c865 (Link to this contribution)

Just to be clear on the procedure, my hon. Friend’s direction to Labour MPs will be to vote again...

Nick Thomas-Symonds | 653 c865 (Link to this contribution)

I accept that there is always a danger that when we vote on a number of new clauses and amendment...

Caroline Johnson | 653 c866 (Link to this contribution)

As a children’s doctor, I have looked after a number of children who have been sexually abused, a...

Nick Thomas-Symonds | 653 c866 (Link to this contribution)

I just do not accept that conception of how this works or, indeed, how the MLAT treaty would work...

Nick Thomas-Symonds | 653 c866 (Link to this contribution)

I will give once more, but then I need to make some progress.

Caroline Johnson | 653 c866 (Link to this contribution)

Does the hon. Gentleman not accept that, in this situation, which is not perfect, what he is havi...

Nick Thomas-Symonds | 653 c866 (Link to this contribution)

I do not accept that at all. The hon. Lady talks about theoretical possibilities, but these will ...

Mark Pritchard | 653 c867 (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful to the shadow Minister for giving way. Despite the fact that this is about not extr...

Nick Thomas-Symonds | 653 c867 (Link to this contribution)

Yes, it is significantly higher, and the cases will be extraordinarily rare. That is what everybo...

Nick Thomas-Symonds | 653 c867 (Link to this contribution)

This is genuinely the last time that I give way.

Mark Pritchard | 653 c867 (Link to this contribution)

I am very grateful. The hon. Gentleman is being more than generous. On the issue of assurances, d...

Nick Thomas-Symonds | 653 cc867-8 (Link to this contribution)

I honestly cannot imagine a situation where a country that gave those assurances did not stand by...

Nick Thomas-Symonds | 653 c868 (Link to this contribution)

Let me finish this point and then I will give way.

The Foreign Office officials were correc...

Ben Wallace | 653 c868 (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful to the hon. Gentleman for giving way. I wonder whether he will quote at length my r...

Nick Thomas-Symonds | 653 c869 (Link to this contribution)

I am not disputing the outcome of the case; that is very clear. This goes back to the earlier poi...

Mark Pritchard | 653 c869 (Link to this contribution)

Will the hon. Gentleman give way?

Nick Thomas-Symonds | 653 cc869-871 (Link to this contribution)

I will make some progress; I did give way to the hon. Gentleman about three times earlier.

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Gavin Newlands | 653 cc870-3 (Link to this contribution)

Throughout the passage of this Bill and other Bills where we have engaged with the Security Minis...

Mark Pritchard | 653 c873 (Link to this contribution)

The shadow Minister, rightly, gave a litany of examples where the Government have set out to abol...

Gavin Newlands | 653 c873 (Link to this contribution)

Words are great but it is deeds that are important, and we think that this should be in this Bill...

Mark Pritchard | 653 c873 (Link to this contribution)

To help the House and to help me—I need all the help I can get—could the hon. Gentleman perhaps g...

Gavin Newlands | 653 c873 (Link to this contribution)

That is not the point—it is about the principles. We have spoken at length about this and listed ...

Ben Wallace | 653 c873 (Link to this contribution)

If the hon. Gentleman was sitting where I am and he had a choice before him where the United Stat...

Gavin Newlands | 653 c874 (Link to this contribution)

That is almost a false choice. The Minister is painting it as a black-and-white issue. At the end...

Ed Davey | 653 cc874-5 (Link to this contribution)

This is a very good Bill overall. It is much needed, and it is not controversial, which is why we...

Ben Wallace | 653 c875 (Link to this contribution)

The right hon. Gentleman makes a valid point. He also highlights how very rare this is, which goe...

Ed Davey | 653 cc875-6 (Link to this contribution)

I hear what the Minister says, and I know that he knows there is not a lot between us on this, be...

Lord Walney | 653 cc876-7 (Link to this contribution)

Listening to this debate, I found myself nodding along with the shadow Minister, as often I do. H...

Ben Wallace | 653 c877 (Link to this contribution)

With the leave of the House, let me say that the amendments have been well heard and well argued....

Mark Pritchard | 653 c877 (Link to this contribution)

May I reach out to the Opposition? As the joint chairman of the all-party group on the abolition ...

Ben Wallace | 653 cc877-8 (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful to my hon. Friend, who has campaigned against the death penalty for very many years...

Ben Wallace | 653 c878 (Link to this contribution)

Then the hon. Gentleman has quoted so selectively. If he has read it in full, he will know that a...

Ben Wallace | 653 c878 (Link to this contribution)

Yes, but the hon. Gentleman did not expand on them. If he had, he would have said, for example, t...

Alan Brown | 653 c889 (Link to this contribution)

On a point of order, Madam Deputy Speaker. It came to my attention earlier on that the Secretary ...

Baroness Winterton of Doncaster | 653 c889 (Link to this contribution)

I thank the hon. Gentleman for his point of order and for giving me prior notice of it. I underst...

Ben Wallace | 653 cc889-890 (Link to this contribution)

I beg to move, That the Bill be now read the Third time.

Throughout the process, the Bill h...

Nick Thomas-Symonds | 653 c890 (Link to this contribution)

I echo the Minister in saying that 90% of the Bill has been consensual, and a number of parties, ...

Jim Cunningham | 653 c891 (Link to this contribution)

I apologise for missing some of the debate on Report. Will my hon. Friend reassure us about the s...

Nick Thomas-Symonds | 653 c891 (Link to this contribution)

Clearly, I do think the safeguards in the Bill have been significantly improved, which is one rea...

Gavin Newlands | 653 c891 (Link to this contribution)

Every hon. Member would accept that the current wait times in the MLAT process are unsustainable....

Baroness Winterton of Doncaster | 653 c892 (Link to this contribution)

I should inform the House that the Speaker has not selected any of the amendments.

Ordered,...

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