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Backbench debate on Thursday, 11 January 2018, in the House of Commons, led by Lord Coaker. The answering members were Tobias Ellwood and Nia Griffith.
Motion that this House pays tribute to the men and women who serve in the Armed Forces; believes that the Armed Forces must be fully-equipped and resourced to carry out their duties; and calls on the Government to ensure that defence expenditure is maintained at least at current levels, that no significant capabilities are withdrawn from service, that the number of regular serving personnel across the Armed Forced is maintained, and that current levels of training are maintained. Agreed to on question.
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2017-19
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Ministry of Defence
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Debate on a motion relating to Defence
Tuesday, 9 January 2018
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Proceeding contributions
Lord Coaker | 634 c503 (Link to this contribution)

I beg to move,

That this House pays tribute to the men and women who serve in the Armed For...

Derek Twigg | 634 c503 (Link to this contribution)

I congratulate my hon. Friend on securing the debate and on his commitment to defence. Is it not ...


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Lord Coaker | 634 cc503-4 (Link to this contribution)

That question goes to the heart of everything we read from the all the various Select Committees ...

Lord Spellar | 634 c504 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend mentioned North Korea. Is it not the case that the actions of the North Korean reg...

Lord Coaker | 634 cc504-5 (Link to this contribution)

My right hon. Friend makes a very good point. North Korea and China are threatening some of the r...

Julian Lewis | 634 cc505-6 (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Gentleman will probably be astonished to learn that the National Security Adviser—Sir Ma...

Lord Coaker | 634 c506 (Link to this contribution)

I could not agree more with the Chair of the Defence Committee. He is absolutely right. Sir Mark ...

Toby Perkins | 634 c506 (Link to this contribution)

I agree entirely with my hon. Friend. With regard to many of the commitments that were made in SD...

Lord Coaker | 634 c506 (Link to this contribution)

I agree. I will come on to the point that my hon. Friend has made very well when I talk about aff...

James Gray | 634 c506 (Link to this contribution)

I congratulate the hon. Gentleman on this debate and on his speech, with every single word of whi...

Lord Coaker | 634 c506 (Link to this contribution)

I thank the hon. Gentleman for his advice. I am sure that he has read the whole motion, which say...

Paul Sweeney | 634 c506 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend refers to maintaining a fiscally neutral position in defence spending. Does he rec...

Lord Coaker | 634 cc506-7 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend knows, from his own background in the defence industry, the importance of the poin...

Emma Little Pengelly | 634 c507 (Link to this contribution)

I strongly agree with everything the hon. Gentleman has said. We must support our brave men and w...

Lord Coaker | 634 cc508-9 (Link to this contribution)

I thank the hon. Lady for the important point she makes. It is obviously crucial that all our vet...

Julian Lewis | 634 cc509-510 (Link to this contribution)

I pay tribute to the hon. Member for Gedling (Vernon Coaker). Not for the first time, he has give...

Toby Perkins | 634 c510 (Link to this contribution)

I have also looked at the statistics mentioned by the right hon. Gentleman, and he is absolutely ...

Julian Lewis | 634 c510 (Link to this contribution)

That is absolutely right. It is a measure of how far downwards our expectations were managed duri...

Mark Francois | 634 c510 (Link to this contribution)

I thank my right hon. Friend for giving way, and it is a pleasure to serve under his stout chairm...

Julian Lewis | 634 cc511-2 (Link to this contribution)

My right hon. Friend speaks with great experience as a former Armed Forces Minister, and he made ...

James Gray | 634 c512 (Link to this contribution)

My right hon. Friend is making an extremely important point about the whole structure of decision...

Julian Lewis | 634 cc512-3 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend is absolutely right, and he made a very useful contribution to the questioning of ...

Tobias Ellwood | 634 c513 (Link to this contribution)

My right hon. Friend is coming to his peroration, and I want to go back to his initial point, if ...

Julian Lewis | 634 c513 (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful to the Minister for making that point in that way, and nobody could be doing more t...

Lord Spellar | 634 c513 (Link to this contribution)

I thank my right hon. Friend the Chairman of the Committee for giving way, but surely this is the...

Julian Lewis | 634 cc513-4 (Link to this contribution)

I agree, but I think it is something more important than that. They must have a proper strategic ...

Baroness Laing of Elderslie | 634 c514 (Link to this contribution)

Order. I have given a lot of leeway to the hon. Gentleman who moved the motion, and to the Chairm...

Dan Jarvis | 634 cc514-7 (Link to this contribution)

It is a privilege to be called to speak in this debate. I congratulate my hon. Friend the Member ...

Alex Sobel | 634 c517 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend talks eloquently about training, but is it not just as important to consider accom...

Dan Jarvis | 634 c517 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend makes an important point. Because of the time available today, I have not got into...

James Gray | 634 cc517-520 (Link to this contribution)

Rarely in debates in this Chamber can the fourth speaker have been faced with such a major challe...

Madeleine Moon | 634 cc520-2 (Link to this contribution)

When it comes to defence, we have to accept that without the right personnel with the right exper...

Lord Spellar | 634 c522 (Link to this contribution)

The immensely frustrating factor in all this is that the Ministry of Defence and the services see...

Madeleine Moon | 634 cc522-3 (Link to this contribution)

My right hon. Friend makes an important point. Some statistics released today show that 71% of bu...

Mark Francois | 634 cc523-5 (Link to this contribution)

It is a pleasure to follow the hon. Member for Bridgend (Mrs Moon), who always speaks knowledgeab...

Martin Docherty-Hughes | 634 cc525-6 (Link to this contribution)

It is a pleasure to follow the right hon. Member for Rayleigh and Wickford (Mr Francois) and my o...

Douglas Ross | 634 c526 (Link to this contribution)

Will the hon. Gentleman give way?

Martin Docherty-Hughes | 634 cc526-8 (Link to this contribution)

Not at the moment, because I need to make progress, as other Members want to get in.

Last m...

Bob Seely | 634 cc527-9 (Link to this contribution)

By way of disclosure, I should say that I had the privilege to serve, in a modest way, in the Afg...

Madeleine Moon | 634 c529 (Link to this contribution)

One thing has been worrying me a great deal. A number of people have cited Russia as a growing th...

Bob Seely | 634 cc529-531 (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Lady makes a good point. I talk about the threat from the east because I would like to b...

Jamie Stone | 634 cc531-2 (Link to this contribution)

I rise as my party’s defence spokesman. It is important that I remind the House that my daughter ...

Tobias Ellwood | 634 c532 (Link to this contribution)

I feel obliged to intervene as a matter of national security to assure the House and the hon. Gen...

Jamie Stone | 634 c533 (Link to this contribution)

I thank the Minister for that very good reassurance. However, that does show an example of some o...

Bob Seely | 634 c533 (Link to this contribution)

Specifically, the Chatham House report, to which the hon. Gentleman rightly refers, spoke about n...

Jamie Stone | 634 c533 (Link to this contribution)

That is absolutely correct.

My final point is that the importance of the armed forces’ conf...

Douglas Ross | 634 cc533-4 (Link to this contribution)

It is a real pleasure to follow the hon. Member for Caithness, Sutherland and Easter Ross (Jamie ...

Jamie Stone | 634 c534 (Link to this contribution)

Does the hon. Gentleman agree that the local populations near these installations are very proud ...

Douglas Ross | 634 c534 (Link to this contribution)

That was something that came out very clearly when the RAF base closed. There were also concerns ...

Douglas Ross | 634 cc534-5 (Link to this contribution)

I will come back to my hon. Friend in a minute.

I thought that we had got rid of that situa...

Douglas Ross | 634 c535 (Link to this contribution)

Well, if the hon. Lady needs to support the hon. Gentleman, I will quite happily give way.

Carol Monaghan | 634 c535 (Link to this contribution)

I thank the hon. Gentleman for allowing this intervention. I have no need to support my colleague...

Douglas Ross | 634 c535 (Link to this contribution)

What I will never forgive is an SNP politician who sits in this House and has the opportunity to ...

Tobias Ellwood | 634 c535 (Link to this contribution)

I fear that we have moved away slightly from the measured tone of this debate. In the spirit of r...

Douglas Ross | 634 c535 (Link to this contribution)

I am very grateful to the Minister for that. In fact, I would have loved it if SNP Members had go...

Stewart Malcolm McDonald | 634 c535 (Link to this contribution)

I am glad this is the consensual part of the hon. Gentleman’s speech, because he will of course a...

Douglas Ross | 634 c536 (Link to this contribution)

There we go—no denial from the SNP that it is making Scotland the highest-taxed part of the Unite...

Douglas Ross | 634 c536 (Link to this contribution)

I have already given way to the hon. Gentleman.

I also want to look at aspects other than j...

Baroness Anderson of Stoke-on-Trent | 634 cc536-8 (Link to this contribution)

I congratulate my good and hon. Friend the Member for Gedling (Vernon Coaker) on securing a debat...

Stephen Morgan | 634 c538 (Link to this contribution)

I congratulate my hon. Friend on her eloquent speech. Does she agree that the national security a...

Baroness Anderson of Stoke-on-Trent | 634 cc538-9 (Link to this contribution)

I could not agree more with my hon. Friend. At this point, the national security and capability r...

James Gray | 634 c539 (Link to this contribution)

As chair of the all-party parliamentary group on the armed forces, I want to put on the record ho...

Baroness Anderson of Stoke-on-Trent | 634 cc539-540 (Link to this contribution)

Not too easy. I thank the hon. Member for North Wiltshire (James Gray) very much. One important t...

Madeleine Moon | 634 c540 (Link to this contribution)

I am listening in particular to what my hon. Friend is saying about defence procurement and the n...

Baroness Anderson of Stoke-on-Trent | 634 c540 (Link to this contribution)

I could not agree more, but the issue is twofold: it is also about our economic prosperity. Some ...

Andrew Bowie | 634 cc540-1 (Link to this contribution)

It is a privilege to rise to speak in such a consensual debate; I congratulate the hon. Member fo...

Andrew Bowie | 634 c541 (Link to this contribution)

I will give way to the hon. Gentleman.

Lord Walney | 634 c541 (Link to this contribution)

I thank the hon. Gentleman, but that is demonstrably not true. Had he been with me during the man...

Andrew Bowie | 634 cc541-2 (Link to this contribution)

If there is a circular argument within the Labour, it shows that it is not united behind an indep...

Kirstene Hair | 634 c542 (Link to this contribution)

Does my hon. Friend agree that it is the reckless scaremongering of opponents, such as the Scotti...

Andrew Bowie | 634 c542 (Link to this contribution)

Yes, I could not agree more with my hon. Friend. As I have said, we cannot underestimate the effe...

Mark Francois | 634 c542 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend mentioned accommodation a couple of minutes ago. Will he accept from me that the r...

Andrew Bowie | 634 cc542-3 (Link to this contribution)

I could not agree more with my right hon. Friend. In fact, one thing that gets brought up time an...

Carol Monaghan | 634 cc543-5 (Link to this contribution)

As many Members will know, my husband served as a Royal Navy officer for 17 years. As a result, I...

Susan Elan Jones | 634 cc545-7 (Link to this contribution)

It is a great pleasure to follow the hon. Member for Glasgow North West (Carol Monaghan) and to t...

Chris Stephens | 634 cc547-8 (Link to this contribution)

I join others in thanking the hon. Member for Gedling (Vernon Coaker) for securing this debate. I...

Lord Coaker | 634 c548 (Link to this contribution)

I am sorry to interrupt, but this is such an important point about capability. If you have an equ...

Chris Stephens | 634 c549 (Link to this contribution)

I fully agree with that point. Francis Tusa, a defence analyst, said that if anyone believes it i...

Tobias Ellwood | 634 c549 (Link to this contribution)

I want to provide a bit of clarity on this important point, which is part of our shipbuilding str...

Chris Stephens | 634 c549 (Link to this contribution)

I thank the Minister, who has been constructive, but I would gently say to him that there was a p...

Luke Pollard | 634 cc549-550 (Link to this contribution)

I congratulate my hon. Friend the Member for Gedling (Vernon Coaker) on securing this debate. I r...

Luke Pollard | 634 cc550-2 (Link to this contribution)

Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania and then, importantly, Kaliningrad, a Russian enclave in the heart of ...

Chris Stephens | 634 c552 (Link to this contribution)

Does the hon. Gentleman agree that if these ships are procured internationally there will be seri...

Luke Pollard | 634 cc552-3 (Link to this contribution)

Yes. The protection of our sovereign defence capability to both build and design must be preserve...

Jim Shannon | 634 cc553-8 (Link to this contribution)

It is always a pleasure to speak in this House on any issue, but defence is an issue in which I h...

Lord Walney | 634 c558 (Link to this contribution)

I suspect you may agree, although you would never be ungracious enough to say it, Madam Deputy Sp...

Baroness Laing of Elderslie | 634 c558 (Link to this contribution)

For the avoidance of doubt, there is still one hon. Member to come and I have not forgotten him.<...

Lord Walney | 634 cc558-9 (Link to this contribution)

Who could ever forget him? I say to my hon. Friend that I am terribly sorry—I had not seen him ba...

Bob Seely | 634 c559 (Link to this contribution)

I do not disagree with the hon. Gentleman’s point—I do not like President Trump any more than he ...

Lord Walney | 634 cc559-560 (Link to this contribution)

It is, and let us hope it is a one-off. I cannot remember who made this point earlier, but there ...

Alex Chalk | 634 c560 (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Gentleman is making some fair points, if I may say so. Does he accept this one as well? ...

Lord Walney | 634 cc560-1 (Link to this contribution)

I would be interested in discussing that matter further with the hon. Gentleman. I am not sure wh...

Julian Lewis | 634 c561 (Link to this contribution)

It is very kind of the hon. Gentleman to give way at this late stage. May I just say that I, for ...

Lord Walney | 634 c561 (Link to this contribution)

It is, absolutely. I suppose it remains to be seen whether the tactics he has so far adopted cont...

Paul Sweeney | 634 cc561-3 (Link to this contribution)

Thank you, Madam Deputy Speaker, for the opportunity to contribute to this magnificent debate in ...

Bob Seely | 634 c563 (Link to this contribution)

I am interested in what the hon. Gentleman says as I have the same problem. Does he agree that, a...

Paul Sweeney | 634 cc563-5 (Link to this contribution)

I thank the hon. Gentleman for that excellent contribution. What he says is absolutely critical. ...

Stewart Malcolm McDonald | 634 cc565-6 (Link to this contribution)

This is one of the few debates in the House that has been not only extremely well mannered, but e...

Douglas Ross | 634 c566 (Link to this contribution)

Let me say once again that the nat tax will make Scotland the highest-taxed part of the United Ki...

Stewart Malcolm McDonald | 634 c566 (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful to the hon. Gentleman for allowing me to go over the figures again. An Army sergean...

Lord Spellar | 634 c566 (Link to this contribution)

Will the Army sergeant, or member of whichever rank, be paying these tax rates based on where he ...

Stewart Malcolm McDonald | 634 c567 (Link to this contribution)

Where they are based. That is why I said that the squaddies in Scotland will get a tax cut. What ...

Patrick Grady | 634 c567 (Link to this contribution)

Is it not the case that the sergeant my hon. Friend mentions who will be paying a little more tax...

Stewart Malcolm McDonald | 634 c567 (Link to this contribution)

They will benefit from many elements of the social contract. Of course, they already receive some...

Mark Francois | 634 c567 (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Gentleman has mentioned accommodation. I do not know whether he is aware that Carillion,...

Stewart Malcolm McDonald | 634 cc567-8 (Link to this contribution)

I am very grateful to the right hon. Gentleman for his intervention because he is absolutely righ...

James Gray | 634 c568 (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Gentleman seems to imply that there is some plot or conspiracy involved in splitting up ...

Stewart Malcolm McDonald | 634 c568 (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Gentleman is much more optimistic than me. I have seen just this week, on the European U...

Julian Lewis | 634 c568 (Link to this contribution)

I hope that the hon. Gentleman will see that separating defence from the amalgam that has been cr...

Stewart Malcolm McDonald | 634 cc568-9 (Link to this contribution)

I am amazed that with their combined experience, the hon. Member for North Wiltshire and the righ...

Nia Griffith | 634 cc569-572 (Link to this contribution)

I congratulate my hon. Friend the Member for Gedling (Vernon Coaker) on securing today’s debate. ...

Tobias Ellwood | 634 cc572-3 (Link to this contribution)

It is a real pleasure and an honour to respond to such a formidable debate, which has been detail...

Conor McGinn | 634 c573 (Link to this contribution)

I apologise to the House for missing today’s debate, but I and my hon. Friend the Member for Sedg...

Tobias Ellwood | 634 c574 (Link to this contribution)

I welcome the hon. Gentleman to the debate, and it is a pleasure to join him in paying tribute to...

Mark Francois | 634 c574 (Link to this contribution)

I thank my right hon. and gallant Friend for giving way, and, like many others in this House, I a...

Tobias Ellwood | 634 cc574-5 (Link to this contribution)

I would be happy to do that. We perhaps take for granted how open our economy is, and how we requ...

James Gray | 634 c575 (Link to this contribution)

I am glad to hear that the Minister is taking the capability review so seriously. I want to ask o...

Tobias Ellwood | 634 c575 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend makes an important point. As I have said, it is for the Secretary of State to spel...

Tobias Ellwood | 634 c575 (Link to this contribution)

I will in a moment.

The House is well aware of my position on the size of the armed forces....

Julian Lewis | 634 c575 (Link to this contribution)

The Minister has just said that we will not be left more vulnerable. On 25 January last year, the...

Tobias Ellwood | 634 c575 (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful to my right hon. Friend. He asks an operational question about the amphibiosity of ...

Lord Spellar | 634 c576 (Link to this contribution)

Going back to the point made by the Chair of the Defence Committee, if the capability was vital l...

Tobias Ellwood | 634 cc576-7 (Link to this contribution)

The right hon. Gentleman is trying to pre-empt the capability review and what will follow. All I ...

Lord Coaker | 634 cc577-8 (Link to this contribution)

I thank the Minister for his response, and I thank all my hon. Friends and all hon. Members who h...

Gavin Newlands | 634 c578 (Link to this contribution)

On a point of order, Madam Deputy Speaker. I wish to correct the record, as it appears I may have...

Baroness Laing of Elderslie | 634 c578 (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Gentleman is absolutely right. The record requires to be corrected and he has adequately...

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