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Police Grant

Debate on Wednesday, 22 February 2017, in the House of Commons, led by Brandon Lewis. The answering member was Carolyn Harris.
Motion that the Police Grant Report (England and Wales) for 2017–18 (HC 944), which was laid before this House on 1 February, be approved. Double majority required. Agreed to on division (275 to 179). Agreed to by Members representing qualifying constituencies in England and Wales (269 to 173).
Type
Parliamentary proceeding
Reference
621 cc1028-1062 
Session
2016-17
Department
Home Office
Chamber / Committee
House of Commons chamber
Police Grant Report (England and Wales) for 2017–18
Wednesday, 1 February 2017
House of Commons papers
House of Lords
House of Commons
Police Grant Report (England and Wales)
Tuesday, 21 February 2017
Research briefings
Proceeding contributions
Brandon Lewis | 621 c1029 (Link to this contribution)

I beg to move,

That the Police Grant Report (England and Wales) for 2017–18 (HC 944), which...

Andy Burnham | 621 c1029 (Link to this contribution)

I am concerned that the Minister may have inadvertently misled the House. He said that he has bee...


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Brandon Lewis | 621 cc1029-1030 (Link to this contribution)

The right hon. Gentleman should bear in mind that Greater Manchester police are a good example of...

Andy Slaughter | 621 c1030 (Link to this contribution)

I am not sure whether people in London will recognise the rosy picture that the Minister is paint...

Brandon Lewis | 621 c1030 (Link to this contribution)

This statement is as per the written ministerial statement in December; I think that the hon. Gen...

Richard Fuller | 621 c1030 (Link to this contribution)

The Minister is making a lot of sense on this issue. As he will know, Bedfordshire, from a financ...

Brandon Lewis | 621 c1030 (Link to this contribution)

As my hon. Friend will appreciate, I am not in a position at the moment to outline what the new f...

Rishi Sunak | 621 c1031 (Link to this contribution)

I thank the Minister for his engagement with the North Yorkshire PCC on exactly these issues and ...

Brandon Lewis | 621 c1031 (Link to this contribution)

I thank my hon. Friend for his comment. I am happy to be engaging with the excellent PCCs in both...

Jo Churchill | 621 c1031 (Link to this contribution)

Although it is said that sparsity and rurality will be taken into account, may I push the Ministe...

Brandon Lewis | 621 cc1031-2 (Link to this contribution)

The Suffolk PCC and chief constable have lobbied me on that issue—in fact, the Suffolk PCC came i...

Lord Beamish | 621 c1032 (Link to this contribution)

I hope that the Minister agrees that Durham has an outstanding Labour PCC in Ron Hogg and a first...

Brandon Lewis | 621 c1032 (Link to this contribution)

I recognise that Durham has a very good police force with an excellent chief constable. I met the...

John Glen | 621 c1032 (Link to this contribution)

The Minister is making sensible observations about the changing profile of crime and rural consid...

Brandon Lewis | 621 c1032 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend, as always, make a very good point that outlines one of the realities of the way i...

Brandon Lewis | 621 cc1032-3 (Link to this contribution)

I want to make some more progress.

This year, we created the police transformation fund—the...

James Berry | 621 c1033 (Link to this contribution)

I think my right hon. Friend will agree that we have the most professional armed police officers ...

Brandon Lewis | 621 c1033 (Link to this contribution)

This comes back to the point that it is important that local police and crime commissioners, work...

Brandon Lewis | 621 c1033 (Link to this contribution)

No, I want to make some progress.

There is a lot for the police to be proud of. However, He...

Brandon Lewis | 621 c1034 (Link to this contribution)

Not at the moment.

With the foundations of the police-led process firmly in place, more can...

Lord Beamish | 621 c1034 (Link to this contribution)

I thank the Minister for finally giving way. I am sure that he is aware that Durham is the most o...

Brandon Lewis | 621 c1034 (Link to this contribution)

I am slightly surprised by the hon. Gentleman’s opening comments because I have already accepted ...

Andy Burnham | 621 c1034 (Link to this contribution)

The public all over the country are noticing a reduction in visibility of neighbourhood policing ...

Brandon Lewis | 621 c1034 (Link to this contribution)

As I have already outlined twice to the right hon. Gentleman, we have met the promise of the spen...

Brandon Lewis | 621 c1035 (Link to this contribution)

I am sorry, if the hon. Gentleman will excuse me, I could not quite hear what the right hon. Memb...

John Bercow | 621 c1035 (Link to this contribution)

Order. I did not hear anything said that was out of order. If I did not hear it, I cannot act on ...

Mark Hendrick | 621 c1035 (Link to this contribution)

When the Chancellor announced in 2016 that police budgets would continue to be protected in cash ...

Brandon Lewis | 621 c1035 (Link to this contribution)

I can only repeat what I said earlier: last year, we protected police spending when precept is ta...

Oliver Letwin | 621 c1035 (Link to this contribution)

My right hon. Friend knows that I strongly support his efforts to get collaboration and more effi...

Brandon Lewis | 621 c1035 (Link to this contribution)

My right hon. Friend makes a good point. I assure him that we are looking at all those factors as...

Lord Jackson of Peterborough | 621 c1035 (Link to this contribution)

My right hon. Friend is making a cogent case, as he usually does. I encourage him to proceed in t...

Brandon Lewis | 621 c1036 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend is right. I met his chief constable and police and crime commissioner only this we...

Andy Slaughter | 621 c1036 (Link to this contribution)

Efficiency has increased, but that can take us only so far. My borough is paying for an extra 50 ...

Brandon Lewis | 621 c1036 (Link to this contribution)

I agree that it is important that as we go through the review work we look at the functions in a ...

Brandon Lewis | 621 c1036 (Link to this contribution)

Not at the moment—I will make some progress.

We are making sure, through the Act, that we s...

John Glen | 621 c1036 (Link to this contribution)

Does my right hon. Friend acknowledge that the situation will be different in different places? W...

Brandon Lewis | 621 cc1036-7 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend makes a very good point that highlights why it is important that this is driven lo...

Carolyn Harris | 621 c1037 (Link to this contribution)

Labour Members deplore the approach that this Government have taken to police funding. They have ...

Gerald Jones | 621 c1037 (Link to this contribution)

Does my hon. Friend agree that the 4.9% real-terms cut in Gwent police and 5.3% real-terms cut in...

Carolyn Harris | 621 c1038 (Link to this contribution)

I certainly do agree with my hon. Friend. I appreciate the work that he has done with the police ...

Lord Beamish | 621 c1038 (Link to this contribution)

Does my hon. Friend agree that the pain has not been distributed equally across the country? In D...

Carolyn Harris | 621 c1038 (Link to this contribution)

I certainly agree. I think the method is shambolic.

I turn to broken promises. Let me give ...

Oliver Letwin | 621 c1038 (Link to this contribution)

I am interested in the hon. Lady’s argument. Is she asserting that local taxation is not a form o...

Carolyn Harris | 621 c1038 (Link to this contribution)

It is.

The motion means that next year, after inflation, funding for London services will b...

Andy Burnham | 621 c1038 (Link to this contribution)

This House has not been given an accurate picture. As my hon. Friend rightly says, the 2015 spend...

Carolyn Harris | 621 c1039 (Link to this contribution)

That would be welcome.

Meanwhile, crime levels, which the Government keep telling us have f...

Andy Slaughter | 621 c1039 (Link to this contribution)

May I congratulate my hon. Friend on painting the correct picture, particularly in relation to Lo...

Carolyn Harris | 621 cc1039-1040 (Link to this contribution)

I certainly agree with my hon. Friend. A London citizen will end up paying more for national even...

Carolyn Harris | 621 c1040 (Link to this contribution)

I am going to make progress. The Government are passing the buck on a monumental scale. More than...

Carolyn Harris | 621 cc1040-1 (Link to this contribution)

I am going to make progress. The ability of forces to raise funding will depend on local circumst...

Richard Drax | 621 cc1041-2 (Link to this contribution)

Before I start—and I shall not speak for long—it would be negligent of me not to thank the chief ...

Andy Burnham | 621 c1042 (Link to this contribution)

I have listened carefully to the argument that the hon. Gentleman has advanced, and I agree with ...

Richard Drax | 621 c1043 (Link to this contribution)

I think that the right hon. Gentleman is playing with figures slightly. In a sense, I believe tha...

Oliver Letwin | 621 c1043 (Link to this contribution)

Does my hon. Friend and neighbour agree that history suggests that complicated formulae invented ...

Richard Drax | 621 c1043 (Link to this contribution)

It is well known in the House that my right hon. Friend is an extremely intelligent man, but I di...

Lord Beamish | 621 c1043 (Link to this contribution)

I hear what the hon. Gentleman is saying about population, but is he saying that any future formu...

Richard Drax | 621 c1043 (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Gentleman clearly does not know the make-up of my constituency. There is probably as muc...

Sarah Wollaston | 621 c1043 (Link to this contribution)

Does my hon. Friend agree that the assumption is often made that rural areas are wealthy? In fact...

Richard Drax | 621 c1044 (Link to this contribution)

I absolutely agree with my hon. Friend. Of course, in Dorset and in her constituency, the depriva...

Steve Rotheram | 621 c1044 (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Gentleman is talking about confidence in the police. Just last night in my constituency,...

Richard Drax | 621 c1044 (Link to this contribution)

I hear what the hon. Gentleman says with his example. Now he mentions it, I think I have read abo...

Paul Blomfield | 621 cc1044-6 (Link to this contribution)

I am delighted to follow the hon. Member for South Dorset (Richard Drax). Although we represent v...

Andy Burnham | 621 c1046 (Link to this contribution)

The only service my hon. Friend did not mention in terms of the extra pressure being put on the p...

Paul Blomfield | 621 cc1046-7 (Link to this contribution)

My right hon. Friend makes a very important point and he is absolutely right to seek such a revie...

Steve Double | 621 c1047 (Link to this contribution)

It is a pleasure to follow the hon. Member for Sheffield Central (Paul Blomfield).

As in al...

Lord Beamish | 621 c1047 (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Gentleman must not have read my maiden speech, in which I referred to my constituency as...

Steve Double | 621 cc1047-8 (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful to the hon. Gentleman for that intervention. I am pleased to report that he is an e...

Marie Rimmer | 621 cc1048-1050 (Link to this contribution)

I listened carefully to the hon. Member for St Austell and Newquay (Steve Double) and, in particu...

Holly Lynch | 621 c1050 (Link to this contribution)

The Minister knows that I have sought to work cross-party as much as possible to overcome some of...

Mark Hendrick | 621 c1051 (Link to this contribution)

Does my hon. Friend share my concern that the funding formula review has been shrouded in mystery...

Holly Lynch | 621 cc1051-3 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend is right. When the report was produced, I was a little confused about whether it r...

Jonathan Edwards | 621 cc1053-4 (Link to this contribution)

It is a pleasure to follow the hon. Member for Halifax (Holly Lynch), who made a thoughtful and w...

Mark Hendrick | 621 cc1054-7 (Link to this contribution)

Lancashire has been one of the top-performing police forces in the country for many years, and in...

Lord Beamish | 621 cc1057-9 (Link to this contribution)

The Minister has come to the House today to tell us that he and the Government are protecting pol...

Sarah Wollaston | 621 c1059 (Link to this contribution)

I join the hon. Gentleman in commending the police forces on the work they do, particularly for t...

Lord Beamish | 621 c1059 (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Lady makes a good point. This comes down to the point about vulnerability made by my hon...

Holly Lynch | 621 c1059 (Link to this contribution)

In relation to the point made by the hon. Member for Totnes (Dr Wollaston), I mentioned that I ha...

Lord Beamish | 621 cc1059-1060 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend makes a good point. I served on the Committee for the Policing and Crime Bill, whi...

Margaret Greenwood | 621 cc1060-1 (Link to this contribution)

The total police grant for 2017-18 for England and Wales is being cut by £96.7 million—in other w...

Brandon Lewis | 621 c1061 (Link to this contribution)

This has been an excellent debate, and I am grateful to all Members who have contributed over the...

Brandon Lewis | 621 cc1061-2 (Link to this contribution)

No, I will not give way to the hon. Gentleman, who has not contributed to the debate until now.

Brandon Lewis | 621 c1062 (Link to this contribution)

I am not going to take an intervention from somebody who was not involved in the debate.

Baroness Laing of Elderslie | 621 c1062 (Link to this contribution)

Order. The hon. Member for Coventry North West (Mr Robinson) must surely understand that those of...

Brandon Lewis | 621 c1062 (Link to this contribution)

It is important that the consultation work goes ahead, and we will do it properly. The police ser...

Baroness Laing of Elderslie | 621 c1062 (Link to this contribution)

I remind the House that the motion is subject to double-majority voting: of the whole House and o...

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