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The Government's Plan for Brexit

Opposition day on Wednesday, 7 December 2016, in the House of Commons, led by Keir Starmer. The answering members were David Davis, Baroness Chapman of Darlington and Robin Walker.
Fifteenth opposition day debate. Amendment agreed to on division (461 to 89). Main question, as amended, agreed to on division (448 to 75).
Type
Parliamentary proceeding
Reference
618 cc220-328 
Session
2016-17
Chamber / Committee
House of Commons chamber
Parliamentary Scrutiny of Leaving the EU
Wednesday, 12 October 2016
Parliamentary proceedings
House of Commons
Proceeding contributions
John Bercow | 618 c220 (Link to this contribution)

I inform the House that I have selected amendment (a) in the name of the Prime Minister.

12...

Keir Starmer | 618 c220 (Link to this contribution)

I beg to move,

That this House recognises that leaving the EU is the defining issue facing ...


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Caroline Lucas | 618 c220 (Link to this contribution)

Does the hon. and learned Gentleman acknowledge that, by accepting the Government’s amendment to ...

John Bercow | 618 c220 (Link to this contribution)

Before the hon. and learned Gentleman responds, may I politely say that the intervention is absol...

Keir Starmer | 618 c220 (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful for that intervention, and I assure the hon. Lady that I shall come to that importa...

Keir Starmer | 618 c221 (Link to this contribution)

I am going to make some progress, if I may. The focus is now where it ought to be: on the substan...

Keir Starmer | 618 c221 (Link to this contribution)

I will make a bit of progress and get to dealing with the amendment.

Today’s victory is imp...

Chris Bryant | 618 c221 (Link to this contribution)

However, if the Government fail at the Supreme Court, there will have to be a legislative process...

Keir Starmer | 618 c221 (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful for that intervention and I am coming precisely to that point, so I will press on.<...

Keir Starmer | 618 cc221-2 (Link to this contribution)

I am going to get to the amendment, so that I can make my position clear on that, and then I will...

Peter Bone | 618 c222 (Link to this contribution)

I do not want the shadow Secretary of State to inadvertently mislead the House. We already have l...

Keir Starmer | 618 c222 (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful for that intervention and understand the point, but let us see what happens on 16 D...

Jim Cunningham | 618 c222 (Link to this contribution)

I am glad that my hon. and learned Friend has made it clear that it is not our intention to frust...

Keir Starmer | 618 c222 (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful for that intervention, because what we have seen is the characterising of anyone wh...

Jonathan Edwards | 618 c222 (Link to this contribution)

If the hon. and learned Gentleman accepts the Government’s amendment, is he not effectively givin...

Keir Starmer | 618 c222 (Link to this contribution)

I understand the hon. Gentleman’s concern, but that is not the case, and I will make that point i...

Julian Lewis | 618 c222 (Link to this contribution)

Does the shadow Secretary of State agree that, if the Opposition support, or at least do not oppo...

Keir Starmer | 618 c223 (Link to this contribution)

I have made it absolutely clear that nothing in today’s motion precludes any party, including my ...

David Davis | 618 c223 (Link to this contribution)

I do not want to break the hon. and learned Gentleman’s flow, but I want to make a factual point....

Keir Starmer | 618 c223 (Link to this contribution)

I have made it absolutely clear—and I will make it absolutely clear again—that the purpose of the...

Keir Starmer | 618 c223 (Link to this contribution)

I am going to make some progress. I have taken a lot of interventions.

The Government must ...

Richard Fuller | 618 c223 (Link to this contribution)

I congratulate the hon. and learned Gentleman, because he is playing on a very difficult wicket. ...

Keir Starmer | 618 cc223-4 (Link to this contribution)

I think it is pretty straightforward and I have said this on a number of occasions. I fully accep...

David Davis | 618 c224 (Link to this contribution)

The hon. and learned Gentleman is an experienced lawyer, so I am sure that putting up Aunt Sallie...

Keir Starmer | 618 c224 (Link to this contribution)

I heard that point being made and I understand and respect the Secretary of State’s position on t...

David Davis | 618 c224 (Link to this contribution)

I thank the hon. and learned Gentleman for that acknowledgment, but let me pick up on the issues ...

Keir Starmer | 618 c224 (Link to this contribution)

I understand the Secretary of State’s point. To some extent, we will probably return to this deba...

Keir Starmer | 618 c225 (Link to this contribution)

I am going to make progress.

The minimum requirements of a plan are fivefold. The first—I h...

Lucy Frazer | 618 c225 (Link to this contribution)

The hon. and learned Gentleman said that the alternative to having a plan was no information unti...

Keir Starmer | 618 c225 (Link to this contribution)

Yes; good. We are working with our European colleagues on that issue, but that is after article 5...

Keir Starmer | 618 c225 (Link to this contribution)

I have not finished dealing with the intervention from the hon. and learned Member for South East...

David Davis | 618 c226 (Link to this contribution)

I apologise for intervening again, but we have said that procedures under the Constitutional Refo...

Keir Starmer | 618 c226 (Link to this contribution)

I acknowledge that, but my response is exactly the same as my previous response. The timetable fo...

Dominic Raab | 618 c226 (Link to this contribution)

I understand why the shadow Minister is pressing the Government for their plans and I understand ...

Keir Starmer | 618 c226 (Link to this contribution)

The answer to the question is no.

Keir Starmer | 618 c226 (Link to this contribution)

I am going to make progress—I have taken a lot of interventions.

The second requirement of ...

Keir Starmer | 618 cc226-8 (Link to this contribution)

I am going to press on. Thirdly, the plan must provide enough detail to enable the Office for Bud...

Crispin Blunt | 618 c227 (Link to this contribution)

I am fascinated by the focus on the plan and the amount of work that the hon. and learned Gentlem...

John Bercow | 618 c227 (Link to this contribution)

Order. I recognise that the hon. Gentleman is an illustrious Member of the House as Chair of the ...

Keir Starmer | 618 c227 (Link to this contribution)

On reflection, the hon. Gentleman may think that he did not use the right word in describing our ...

Keir Starmer | 618 c227 (Link to this contribution)

I will press on.

Until now, the Prime Minister’s two mantras that “Brexit means Brexit” and...

Chris Leslie | 618 c227 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. and learned Friend is right to insist on a plan. It is important that we do not stand in ...

Keir Starmer | 618 c229 (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful for that intervention. I do understand the concerns about the timetable and I think...

Keir Starmer | 618 c229 (Link to this contribution)

I shall press on, if I may.

The question on everybody’s lips is, is it the hard Brexit sket...

Edward Leigh | 618 c229 (Link to this contribution)

Will the hon. and learned Gentleman give way?

Keir Starmer | 618 cc229-230 (Link to this contribution)

No. I have given way a number of times.

In the past few months I have travelled across the ...

David Davis | 618 c230 (Link to this contribution)

I beg to move an amendment, at end add:

“, consistently with the principles agreed without ...

Keir Starmer | 618 c230 (Link to this contribution)

To be clear, I was not making the argument that the OBR required confidential information, the di...

David Davis | 618 cc230-1 (Link to this contribution)

I take that point. As I make progress through what I have to say, I will explain why, in some res...

Geraint Davies | 618 c231 (Link to this contribution)

Will the Secretary of State give way?

David Davis | 618 c231 (Link to this contribution)

No, I am going to make a bit of progress. I will give way later. I normally like the badinage wit...

Dominic Grieve | 618 c231 (Link to this contribution)

Will my right hon. Friend give way?

David Davis | 618 c231 (Link to this contribution)

If my right hon. and learned Friend will wait a little while, I will, of course, give way to him....

Dominic Grieve | 618 c231 (Link to this contribution)

May I emphasise to my right hon. Friend that the motion must require Parliament to support the tr...

David Davis | 618 c231 (Link to this contribution)

My right hon. and learned Friend, the ex-Attorney General, should know better than to tempt me to...

Geraint Davies | 618 c231 (Link to this contribution)

On the timing set out in the amendment, would the Secretary of State not accept that, given that ...

David Davis | 618 c232 (Link to this contribution)

No, I do not accept that. Between now and the possible end of the negotiating process, if it goes...

Lord Dodds of Duncairn | 618 c232 (Link to this contribution)

Is the crucial issue here not that, whatever the caveats entered by the shadow Minister, anyone v...

David Davis | 618 c232 (Link to this contribution)

The right hon. Gentleman is exactly right. I agree with him entirely.

David Davis | 618 c232 (Link to this contribution)

To balance up affairs, I will give way to the Father of the House.

Lord Clarke of Nottingham | 618 c232 (Link to this contribution)

Quite apart from the legalities of the situation, we have to address the political question of th...

David Davis | 618 c232 (Link to this contribution)

My right hon. and learned Friend is at least straightforward in what he says; he does not really ...

David Davis | 618 c232 (Link to this contribution)

I will make some more progress, if I may. [Interruption.] I will not give in to my normal temptat...

David Davis | 618 c232 (Link to this contribution)

Mr Speaker, I am going to make about five minutes’ progress. I hope the hon. Gentleman does not m...

John Bercow | 618 c233 (Link to this contribution)

Order. The Secretary of State is clearly not giving way at present—a point that is so blindingly ...

David Davis | 618 c233 (Link to this contribution)

You make my point, Mr Speaker.

It is widely accepted that the negotiation of our departure ...

Edward Leigh | 618 c233 (Link to this contribution)

Will my right hon. Friend allow me to intervene?

David Davis | 618 c233 (Link to this contribution)

In a moment.

We will need to find a way through a vast number of competing interests to man...

Pat McFadden | 618 c234 (Link to this contribution)

The Secretary of State has just read out a list of reasons not to disclose the Government’s plan ...

David Davis | 618 c234 (Link to this contribution)

I really ought to make the people who raise this point, which has been made about five times in t...

Edward Leigh | 618 c234 (Link to this contribution)

Does my right hon. Friend accept that one can be an honest Brexiteer who wants to get this throug...

David Davis | 618 c234 (Link to this contribution)

In fact there is a law that applies to this—the Constitutional Reform and Governance Act 2010—so ...

Keir Starmer | 618 c234 (Link to this contribution)

This is important, so can the Secretary of State say in terms that there will be a vote on the fi...

David Davis | 618 c234 (Link to this contribution)

All I can say is what I have said before: that is what I expect. It is as simple as that.

I...

Chris Bryant | 618 c234 (Link to this contribution)

The 2010 Act says that a Government cannot ratify a treaty until such time as they have laid the ...

David Davis | 618 c235 (Link to this contribution)

As I was about to say—I was in the middle of a sentence—it is inconceivable to me that if the Eur...

Jacob Rees-Mogg | 618 c235 (Link to this contribution)

Will my right hon. Friend clarify the point that any vote in this House at the end of the process...

Gerald Howarth | 618 c235 (Link to this contribution)

Will my right hon. Friend give way?

David Davis | 618 c235 (Link to this contribution)

If my hon. Friend will forgive me, I will make a bit more progress for a few moments and keep him...

Helen Goodman | 618 c235 (Link to this contribution)

The Secretary of State repeats that what he is doing is—he thinks—in the national interest, but h...

David Davis | 618 c235 (Link to this contribution)

We heard during the campaign about how the economy was going to collapse, but I seem to have noti...

Gerald Howarth | 618 c235 (Link to this contribution)

Will my right hon. Friend give way?

Gerald Howarth | 618 c236 (Link to this contribution)

May I say how strongly I support my right hon. Friend? My right hon. and learned Friend the Membe...

David Davis | 618 c236 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend is, of course, exactly right, and that brings me rather neatly to the next thing I...

David Davis | 618 c236 (Link to this contribution)

I will give way in a moment.

As the Prime Minister said in October, although we will not be...

Angus Brendan MacNeil | 618 c236 (Link to this contribution)

As part of our determination to find out some knowledge from Ministers, it was asked several time...

David Davis | 618 c237 (Link to this contribution)

What was on the ballot paper, and what I think a million Scots voted for, was leaving the Europea...

David Davis | 618 c237 (Link to this contribution)

I will make some progress and then I will give way again in a moment. There are some among the La...

Anna Soubry | 618 c237 (Link to this contribution)

Will my right hon. Friend give way?

David Davis | 618 c237 (Link to this contribution)

No.

Nevertheless, to prevent any misrepresentation or misunderstanding, the Government have...

Anna Soubry | 618 c237 (Link to this contribution)

Will my right hon. Friend give way?

David Davis | 618 c237 (Link to this contribution)

Clearly somebody has the support of the Labour party for what she wants to say. I will get around...

David Davis | 618 c237 (Link to this contribution)

I will not give way for a second, because this point is incredibly important. No law will be chan...

Anna Soubry | 618 c237 (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful to my right hon. Friend for giving way. On the customs union matter, did I hear him...

David Davis | 618 c238 (Link to this contribution)

My right hon. Friend was not listening; she probably made up her question before she heard the la...

David Davis | 618 c238 (Link to this contribution)

One moment. There is a range of means of arriving at a deal and there is a range of outcomes, and...

Callum McCaig | 618 c238 (Link to this contribution)

Will the Secretary of State give way?

David Davis | 618 cc238-9 (Link to this contribution)

Not at the moment. We have made our aims clear on immigration, on the ECJ, on workers’ rights and...

Keir Starmer | 618 c239 (Link to this contribution)

Will the Secretary of State give way?

David Davis | 618 c239 (Link to this contribution)

No.

Today we will see whether the Opposition are prepared to back Britain and support our p...

Stephen Gethins | 618 cc239-240 (Link to this contribution)

I thank the shadow Secretary of State for his speech and for giving us the opportunity to debate ...

David Davis | 618 c240 (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Gentleman and I do not differ on many of these points, but I would say this to him. Allo...

Stephen Gethins | 618 c240 (Link to this contribution)

The Secretary of State makes the point. Why not give Scotland—it needs the powers—some of the res...

Stephen Gethins | 618 cc240-1 (Link to this contribution)

I am glad that the right hon. Gentleman is nodding still, and I look forward to his joining us in...

Kevin Foster | 618 c241 (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Gentleman mentions workers’ rights. First, the Government have already confirmed that we...

Stephen Gethins | 618 c241 (Link to this contribution)

In many other areas, such as parental and other rights, we relied on European Union rulings. I te...

Ian Blackford | 618 c241 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend is making an excellent speech, which is well worthy of the award he won last night...

Stephen Gethins | 618 cc241-2 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend makes an excellent point.

I have another point—I hope the Under-Secretary ha...

Stewart Malcolm McDonald | 618 c242 (Link to this contribution)

In the case currently going through the Supreme Court, the Lord Advocate for Scotland described t...

Stephen Gethins | 618 cc242-3 (Link to this contribution)

The Minister makes—[Laughter.] My hon. Friend—he is not yet a Minister, but let’s give it time—ma...

Joanna Cherry | 618 c243 (Link to this contribution)

If my hon. Friend has been following the Supreme Court case as closely as I have, he will be awar...

Stephen Gethins | 618 cc243-4 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. and learned Friend makes a very fine point, as always.

Let me make another comparis...

John Bercow | 618 c244 (Link to this contribution)

Order. On account of the number of would-be participants in the debate it is necessary to impose ...

Iain Duncan Smith | 618 cc244-7 (Link to this contribution)

I will, I hope, be brief. I support the Government’s amendment, and wish to make it clear that I ...

John Bercow | 618 c247 (Link to this contribution)

Order. I was momentarily distracted by another hon. Member speaking to me. The right hon. Gentlem...

Hilary Benn | 618 c247 (Link to this contribution)

I want to begin by expressing my concern about the continuing tone of some of the debate on the U...

Edward Leigh | 618 c247 (Link to this contribution)

We accept that Labour is going to vote for article 50 and we all want the plan, but does the righ...

Hilary Benn | 618 cc247-9 (Link to this contribution)

No, I do not. First, we have no idea what the legislation will look like. I would just make the p...

Emma Reynolds | 618 c249 (Link to this contribution)

Will my right hon. Friend give way?

Hilary Benn | 618 c249 (Link to this contribution)

Will I get more injury time, Mr Speaker?

Emma Reynolds | 618 c249 (Link to this contribution)

My right hon. Friend is very generous. Does he agree that businesses have expressed concern about...

Hilary Benn | 618 cc249-250 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend is absolutely right. We have heard a lot of evidence before the Select Committee, ...

Lord Clarke of Nottingham | 618 c250 (Link to this contribution)

It gives me pleasure to follow the right hon. Member for Leeds Central (Hilary Benn). It shows th...

Jeremy Quin | 618 c250 (Link to this contribution)

Surely you haven’t been here 150 years!

Lord Clarke of Nottingham | 618 cc250-1 (Link to this contribution)

No—only the last few decades can I recall directly. In any previous Parliament—certainly the ones...

Bernard Jenkin | 618 c252 (Link to this contribution)

I am glad that my right hon. and learned Friend now agrees that this Parliament should be supreme...

Lord Clarke of Nottingham | 618 c252 (Link to this contribution)

It is not going to direct us at all. The Supreme Court is the authority—I am not, and my hon. Fri...

Ed Miliband | 618 cc252-3 (Link to this contribution)

It is a privilege to follow the right hon. and learned Member for Rushcliffe (Mr Clarke).

T...

Stephen Doughty | 618 c253 (Link to this contribution)

My right hon. Friend is absolutely right to say that this is not nit-picking. A key issue in my c...

Ed Miliband | 618 cc253-4 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend puts it very well.

What about the plan on immigration, including for citizen...

Ed Miliband | 618 c254 (Link to this contribution)

I give way to the right hon. Gentleman, who might well have had a hand in the pamphlet or written...

Oliver Letwin | 618 c254 (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful. To clarify, for the benefit of the House, is the right hon. Gentleman arguing whet...

Ed Miliband | 618 cc254-5 (Link to this contribution)

I believe, as the right hon. and learned Member for Rushcliffe said, that of course there should ...

William Cash | 618 c255 (Link to this contribution)

Listening to the right hon. Member for Doncaster North (Edward Miliband)—

John Bercow | 618 c255 (Link to this contribution)

Order. I think the hon. Gentleman has been notified of this, but I should notify the House that, ...

William Cash | 618 c256 (Link to this contribution)

Thank you, Mr Speaker.

I was about to refer to the final remarks made by the right hon. Mem...

Lord Clarke of Nottingham | 618 c256 (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful to my hon. Friend for giving way, not for the first time during these debates. He a...

William Cash | 618 cc256-7 (Link to this contribution)

I hate—this pains me—to disappoint my right hon. and learned Friend, but I voted yes in the 1975 ...

Angus Brendan MacNeil | 618 cc257-8 (Link to this contribution)

I come to this debate from two positions. First, I am a Scottish National party Member from Scotl...

George Kerevan | 618 c258 (Link to this contribution)

Does my hon. Friend agree that the Government could show good faith by agreeing to reveal their g...

Angus Brendan MacNeil | 618 cc258-9 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend makes an excellent suggestion; perhaps the Government should explore that further....

Michael Gove | 618 cc259-260 (Link to this contribution)

It is a privilege to follow the hon. Member for Na h-Eileanan an Iar (Mr MacNeil) and a superb ar...

George Kerevan | 618 c260 (Link to this contribution)

Is the right hon. Gentleman telling us that leaving the single market is the Government’s positio...

Michael Gove | 618 c260 (Link to this contribution)

I am telling the hon. Gentleman that that was the position taken by the British public, including...

Anna Soubry | 618 c260 (Link to this contribution)

Will my right hon. Friend give way?

Michael Gove | 618 c260 (Link to this contribution)

Not quite yet.

Since we voted to leave, we have seen increased investment from Nissan, Jagu...

Anna Soubry | 618 c261 (Link to this contribution)

Will my right hon. Friend give way?

Michael Gove | 618 c261 (Link to this contribution)

No, I am not giving way.

So on two of the legitimate concerns expressed beforehand—that our...

Anna Soubry | 618 c261 (Link to this contribution)

Will my right hon. Friend give way?

Michael Gove | 618 c261 (Link to this contribution)

No thank you.

This Parliament has an opportunity to shape an economic policy, an immigratio...

Baroness Winterton of Doncaster | 618 cc261-3 (Link to this contribution)

It is a great pleasure to follow the right hon. Member for Surrey Heath (Michael Gove). I was ple...

Lord Lilley | 618 c263 (Link to this contribution)

I want to make two main points. The first is that the Government’s position is much clearer than ...

Iain Duncan Smith | 618 c263 (Link to this contribution)

May I give my right hon. Friend one good example of this? It relates to the import of oranges. Ve...

Lord Lilley | 618 cc263-4 (Link to this contribution)

My right hon. Friend makes a good point, and I would add that we do not easily manufacture orange...

George Kerevan | 618 c264 (Link to this contribution)

Will the right hon. Gentleman give way?

Lord Lilley | 618 c264 (Link to this contribution)

I am sorry, but I will not.

Our EU partners will choose. If their primary concern is the ec...

Lindsay Hoyle | 618 c264 (Link to this contribution)

Order. I call Pat McFadden.

3.23 pm

Pat McFadden | 618 c264 (Link to this contribution)

The motion before us, moved by my hon. and learned Friend the Member for Holborn and St Pancras (...

Crispin Blunt | 618 c265 (Link to this contribution)

The faux outrage that has followed the use of a metaphor is not worthy of the right hon. Gentlema...

Pat McFadden | 618 c265 (Link to this contribution)

We are all responsible for what we say, and I do not believe that our European partners are our e...

James Cartlidge | 618 c265 (Link to this contribution)

Like the right hon. Gentleman, I campaigned to remain, and we do all have a responsibility now to...

Pat McFadden | 618 cc265-6 (Link to this contribution)

I am afraid that I do not agree with the thrust of the hon. Gentleman’s intervention. Responsibil...

Oliver Letwin | 618 cc266-7 (Link to this contribution)

The right hon. Member for Wolverhampton South East (Mr McFadden) has made out that the essence of...

Helen Goodman | 618 c267 (Link to this contribution)

When the right hon. Gentleman looks at the way the other European countries conduct their negotia...

Oliver Letwin | 618 c267 (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Lady is an old friend of mine, but she is totally misguided if she thinks that this is a...

Mike Gapes | 618 c268 (Link to this contribution)

Why is it, then, that the European Parliament can be involved in this process, but this sovereign...

Oliver Letwin | 618 c268 (Link to this contribution)

The reason is that the European Parliament is one of the counterparties to the negotiation. The c...

Ed Miliband | 618 c268 (Link to this contribution)

In November 1991, John Major came to the House to seek approval for his negotiating mandate—his p...

Oliver Letwin | 618 c268 (Link to this contribution)

He did. The outcome was catastrophic. I wrote 100 articles inveighing against the Maastricht trea...

David TC Davies | 618 c268 (Link to this contribution)

Is not it the case that, during those negotiations, John Major said,

“don’t bind my hands w...

Oliver Letwin | 618 c268 (Link to this contribution)

He did. He did not succeed in having his hands not bound, and I repeat that the result was a cata...

Iain Duncan Smith | 618 c268 (Link to this contribution)

The Maastricht treaty and internal negotiations on being in the EU are wholly different from leav...

Oliver Letwin | 618 c268 (Link to this contribution)

I happen to agree with my right hon. Friend, but my point goes beyond that. It was never suggeste...

Anna Soubry | 618 c268 (Link to this contribution)

I pay tribute to my right hon. Friend, as ever, for his careful and thoughtful remarks. He says t...

Oliver Letwin | 618 c269 (Link to this contribution)

My answer is no. It is not right that we in this place should decide those things, because ultima...

Angela C Smith | 618 c269 (Link to this contribution)

Let me be absolutely clear. We cannot say this often enough: this debate is not about whether we ...

Baroness Ritchie of Downpatrick | 618 c269 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend and I are both members of the Select Committee on Environment, Food and Rural Affa...

Angela C Smith | 618 cc269-270 (Link to this contribution)

I shall come on to the option that we should follow in the negotiations. As many Members have ill...

Helen Goodman | 618 c270 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend is making an excellent speech about the importance of the farming sector. She will...

Angela C Smith | 618 c270 (Link to this contribution)

Mr Speaker, I did not get the extra minute for the second intervention.

John Bercow | 618 c270 (Link to this contribution)

It is right that all of us should be held to account, including the Chair.

Angela C Smith | 618 cc270-1 (Link to this contribution)

Thank you, Mr Speaker.

I accept what my hon. Friend the Member for Bishop Auckland (Helen G...

Baroness Morgan of Cotes | 618 cc271-2 (Link to this contribution)

Thank you, Mr Speaker, for calling me in this debate.

Let me make it clear at the start, fo...

Douglas Carswell | 618 cc272-3 (Link to this contribution)

The Opposition motion is absolutely right about one thing: leaving the EU is indeed the defining ...

Owen Paterson | 618 c273 (Link to this contribution)

The conundrum we are facing is that this is the first time in our history that the establishment ...

Angela C Smith | 618 c273 (Link to this contribution)

I am listening to what the right hon. Gentleman says about the CAP, but does he believe that post...

Owen Paterson | 618 cc273-4 (Link to this contribution)

Emphatically yes. If the hon. Lady had listened to my speeches during the referendum campaign, sh...

Joanna Cherry | 618 c274 (Link to this contribution)

I am interested in what the right hon. Gentleman has just said. Can he tell me why the Conservati...

Owen Paterson | 618 cc274-5 (Link to this contribution)

I am speaking for the Vote Leave campaign, which made it very clear that we would not be under th...

Ivan Lewis | 618 c275 (Link to this contribution)

We have to face up to the fact that a growing proportion of our population have lost faith in thi...

Douglas Carswell | 618 c276 (Link to this contribution)

Will the hon. Gentleman agree with UKIP’s long-standing policy by voting in favour of supporting ...

Ivan Lewis | 618 c276 (Link to this contribution)

I do not think I agree with a single policy that UKIP advocates. The party is about dividing our ...

Peter Bone | 618 cc276-7 (Link to this contribution)

It is a great pleasure to follow the hon. Member for Bury South (Mr Lewis). He made an important ...

Peter Bone | 618 c277 (Link to this contribution)

Quite right—that is what the High Court has said. It is possible, of course, that the Supreme Cou...

Angus Brendan MacNeil | 618 c278 (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Gentleman is quite taken up with the triggering of article 50. It is not so much the tri...

Peter Bone | 618 c278 (Link to this contribution)

The narrow point I am dealing with is the triggering of article 50, which I say has been authoris...

Peter Bone | 618 c278 (Link to this contribution)

My right hon. Friend the Member for—I cannot remember what her constituency is—[Hon. Members: “Br...

Michael Gove | 618 c278 (Link to this contribution)

May I say, just for the record, that as Chief Whip I had a number of dealings with my right hon. ...

Peter Bone | 618 cc278-9 (Link to this contribution)

I am always glad to be corrected by a former Chief Whip. What my right hon. Friend said is undoub...

George Howarth | 618 cc279-280 (Link to this contribution)

It is a pleasure to follow the hon. Member for Wellingborough (Mr Bone). I simply make the point ...

Anna Soubry | 618 cc280-1 (Link to this contribution)

It is a great pleasure to follow the right hon. Member for Knowsley (Mr Howarth). I endorse in pa...

Anna Soubry | 618 c281 (Link to this contribution)

Ooh, I will give way. I will get an extra minute.

Stephen Doughty | 618 c281 (Link to this contribution)

It is true that the right hon. Lady has been willing to work across the House on crucial issues, ...

Anna Soubry | 618 c281 (Link to this contribution)

I agree with the hon. Gentleman. Businesses and trade organisations in my constituency want certa...

Anna Soubry | 618 c281 (Link to this contribution)

I will not get another minute, but I will give way very quickly.

Claire O'Neill | 618 c281 (Link to this contribution)

I just wanted to say this to my right hon. Friend: would it not be the best possible birthday pre...

Anna Soubry | 618 cc281-2 (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful for that comment and all that my hon. Friend says.

I want to say this gently ...

Ben Bradshaw | 618 cc282-3 (Link to this contribution)

It gives me great pleasure to follow the right hon. Member for Broxtowe (Anna Soubry), who has be...

Geraint Davies | 618 c283 (Link to this contribution)

Given that the French and the German elections provide a case to delay article 50 and given that ...

Ben Bradshaw | 618 c283 (Link to this contribution)

I do not agree with everything that my hon. Friend has said, but I do think it would make sense f...

Dominic Grieve | 618 cc283-4 (Link to this contribution)

As the Member of Parliament for a constituency that voted narrowly to remain, I have felt ever si...

Oliver Letwin | 618 c284 (Link to this contribution)

My right hon. and learned Friend is making a powerful speech. Does he agree that if this House an...

Dominic Grieve | 618 cc284-5 (Link to this contribution)

It depends on whether we were seeking to limit the mandate in carrying out amendments. As I have ...

Jacob Rees-Mogg | 618 c285 (Link to this contribution)

My right hon. and learned Friend’s last point is exactly the point: if we have left the EU, judgm...

Dominic Grieve | 618 c285 (Link to this contribution)

It is indeed a fundamental change, and I am delighted my hon. Friend is pleased and that appeals ...

Steve Baker | 618 c285 (Link to this contribution)

Will my right hon. and learned Friend give way?

Dominic Grieve | 618 c285 (Link to this contribution)

I will not give way as I must finish.

So that WTO negotiation will also be a matter of grea...

Heidi Alexander | 618 cc285-6 (Link to this contribution)

It is a genuine pleasure to follow the right hon. and learned Member for Beaconsfield (Mr Grieve)...

Heidi Alexander | 618 cc286-7 (Link to this contribution)

I will not give way. I have come here to set out my position, and that is what I will do. If reta...

Crispin Blunt | 618 cc287-8 (Link to this contribution)

I come to this debate straight after returning from the United States, where I have spent three d...

Angus Brendan MacNeil | 618 c288 (Link to this contribution)

I met the Irish Foreign Minister this morning, and one of the concerns that I left with was the p...

Crispin Blunt | 618 c288 (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Gentleman, who now chairs the International Trade Committee, will be out of work if we r...

Sammy Wilson | 618 c288 (Link to this contribution)

Does the hon. Gentleman accept that, because the interests of the Irish Republic are so tied up w...

Crispin Blunt | 618 c288 (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Gentleman is absolutely right. However, the principal nations of the EU, which are facin...

Dominic Grieve | 618 c288 (Link to this contribution)

I agree with my hon. Friend’s analysis, but is it not also the case that the whole negotiating th...

Crispin Blunt | 618 c288 (Link to this contribution)

My right hon. and learned Friend is, of course, absolutely right. We have to try to take the temp...

Andy Burnham | 618 c289 (Link to this contribution)

The sad context for today’s debate is that far from coming back together as a country since the r...

Crispin Blunt | 618 c289 (Link to this contribution)

Let me just correct that. I did not say that they are the enemy and I made it crystal clear in th...

Andy Burnham | 618 c289 (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Gentleman used the phrase “the enemy” and he needs to clarify what he meant by that. I d...

Andy Burnham | 618 c289 (Link to this contribution)

I will make some progress. Today needs to mark the beginning of a new phase in the Brexit debate....

Callum McCaig | 618 c290 (Link to this contribution)

The right hon. Gentleman’s party is suggesting that leaving the customs union was not on the ball...

Andy Burnham | 618 c290 (Link to this contribution)

I suggest to the hon. Gentleman that he speaks to the public and listens to what they had to say ...

Steve Rotheram | 618 c290 (Link to this contribution)

I agree with my right hon. Friend that it is certainly not xenophobic or racist to call out unscr...

Andy Burnham | 618 cc290-1 (Link to this contribution)

That is precisely the issue that neither Europe nor, let us be honest, this Parliament was addres...

Bernard Jenkin | 618 c291 (Link to this contribution)

I found the speech by the right hon. Member for Leigh (Andy Burnham) rather refreshing. I submit ...

John Redwood | 618 c292 (Link to this contribution)

Does my hon. Friend agree that as we bring the country together it is important that people do no...

Bernard Jenkin | 618 c292 (Link to this contribution)

I wholly agree with my right hon. Friend.

The Latin monetary union was formed in 1865 in Eu...

Angus Brendan MacNeil | 618 c292 (Link to this contribution)

Does the hon. Gentleman share concerns about the headlong rush to trigger article 50? Given that ...

Bernard Jenkin | 618 cc292-3 (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Gentleman will find that a great deal of industry is quietly preparing for the possibili...

Tom Brake | 618 cc293-4 (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Member for Harwich and North Essex (Mr Jenkin) asked what kind of judiciary we want. Wel...

John Redwood | 618 c294 (Link to this contribution)

Has the right hon. Gentleman taken the trouble to listen to the statements, to come to the severa...

Tom Brake | 618 c294 (Link to this contribution)

No doubt that is the position that the right hon. Gentleman has adopted today, and he may have do...

James Heappey | 618 c294 (Link to this contribution)

Will the right hon. Gentleman give way?

Tom Brake | 618 cc294-5 (Link to this contribution)

No. I will continue because I know that others who have been waiting a very long time also want t...

Steve Baker | 618 c295 (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful to follow the right hon. Member for Carshalton and Wallington (Tom Brake). I rise t...

Steve Baker | 618 c295 (Link to this contribution)

No, it is not the first time—I am grateful to my hon. Friend.

I want to pick up on what the...

William Cash | 618 c295 (Link to this contribution)

Does my hon. Friend accept that what goes with the Prime Minister’s very clear statements is that...

Steve Baker | 618 c296 (Link to this contribution)

I fully accept that. In fact, together with the right hon. Member for Leigh (Andy Burnham), who s...

John Redwood | 618 c296 (Link to this contribution)

Does my hon. Friend agree that there is absolutely no need to pay these countries anything, becau...

Steve Baker | 618 cc296-7 (Link to this contribution)

I do agree. It would be quite wrong for us to pay a market access fee. As my hon. Friend the Memb...

Steve Baker | 618 c297 (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful to my right hon. Friend. We need to help those people to build their way out of pov...

Thangam Debbonaire | 618 cc297-8 (Link to this contribution)

I rise to speak in support of my constituents, the people of Bristol West. Four out of five of th...

John Redwood | 618 c298 (Link to this contribution)

Did the hon. Lady learn anything from the referendum majority view? Does she not understand that ...

Thangam Debbonaire | 618 cc298-9 (Link to this contribution)

I have heard the result of the referendum, but I also know that there are 33,000 people from EU c...

Mike Gapes | 618 c299 (Link to this contribution)

I agree entirely with what my hon. Friend is saying, but is there not also a problem in that, in ...

Thangam Debbonaire | 618 c299 (Link to this contribution)

I understand the point my hon. Friend makes, but I believe my hon. and learned Friend the Member ...

Jacob Rees-Mogg | 618 cc299-300 (Link to this contribution)

It is a great pleasure to follow the hon. Member for

Bristol...

Jacob Rees-Mogg | 618 c300 (Link to this contribution)

I am honoured to give way to the hon. Lady.

Thangam Debbonaire | 618 c300 (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Gentleman and I debated this very issue many times during the referendum campaign—and, I...

Jacob Rees-Mogg | 618 c301 (Link to this contribution)

Parliament is indeed sovereign, and Parliament, in its wisdom, passed a referendum Bill; and my r...

Adam Afriyie | 618 c301 (Link to this contribution)

Pray may my hon. Friend continue.

Jacob Rees-Mogg | 618 cc301-2 (Link to this contribution)

I am extremely grateful for the extra minute.

Leaving is everything. That is the point. The...

Baroness Laing of Elderslie | 618 c302 (Link to this contribution)

Order. Such has been the excess of interventions and excited speeches this afternoon that I am af...

Joanna Cherry | 618 c302 (Link to this contribution)

It is a pleasure to follow the hon. Member for North East Somerset (Mr Rees-Mogg), particularly a...

John Redwood | 618 c303 (Link to this contribution)

Does the hon. and learned Lady not understand that when we get the powers back from the European ...

Joanna Cherry | 618 c303 (Link to this contribution)

The right hon. Gentleman is getting rather ahead of himself, but we on the SNP Benches will make ...

Stephen Gethins | 618 c303 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. and learned Friend makes a very good point. The Secretary of State said that no law would...

Joanna Cherry | 618 cc303-4 (Link to this contribution)

Indeed that question has not been answered yet. The point of my speech this afternoon is to say t...

Dominic Raab | 618 c304 (Link to this contribution)

I welcome the opportunity to debate this important—indeed, defining—issue for our country. This i...

Sammy Wilson | 618 c304 (Link to this contribution)

Does the hon. Gentleman accept that the Prime Minister could at last make it clear that our membe...

Dominic Raab | 618 c305 (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Gentleman makes a powerful point. It is my view that, given the positions already announ...

Mark Durkan | 618 cc305-6 (Link to this contribution)

Those who have spoken most strongly in favour of the Prime Minister’s amendment have generally ta...

John Redwood | 618 c306 (Link to this contribution)

Is it not a good idea to try to get a consensus to back the British people in their decision?

...
Mark Durkan | 618 c306 (Link to this contribution)

I am not one of the British people; I am here as an Irish person, proudly carrying an Irish passp...

Kwasi Kwarteng | 618 c306 (Link to this contribution)

On a point of order, Madam Deputy Speaker.

Baroness Laing of Elderslie | 618 c306 (Link to this contribution)

Order. A point of order has been raised by Mr Kwarteng.

Kwasi Kwarteng | 618 c306 (Link to this contribution)

I have just realised, Madam Deputy Speaker, that my intended point of order has been attended to ...

Baroness Laing of Elderslie | 618 c306 (Link to this contribution)

Thank you. The clock was stuck, and it is now working again.

Mark Durkan | 618 c306 (Link to this contribution)

The then Secretary of State said:

“Their activities are against the democratically expresse...

Michael Gove | 618 c307 (Link to this contribution)

As a result of the Good Friday agreement and the consent principle, the people of Northern Irelan...

Mark Durkan | 618 c307 (Link to this contribution)

I am afraid the right hon. Gentleman does not know the difference—people in Northern Ireland are ...

Robert Neill | 618 cc307-9 (Link to this contribution)

It is a pleasure, as always, to follow the hon. Member for Foyle (Mark Durkan). As a Unionist, I ...

Geraint Davies | 618 c309 (Link to this contribution)

It is a pleasure to follow the hon. Member for Bromley and Chislehurst (Robert Neill).

I re...

Kwasi Kwarteng | 618 c309 (Link to this contribution)

Is the hon. Gentleman essentially saying the people got it wrong on 23 June?

Geraint Davies | 618 c309 (Link to this contribution)

I am saying that people were misled, so basically now we are going to have another year of auster...

Michael Gove | 618 c309 (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Gentleman has made the astonishing assertion that there have been under-the-table bribes...

Geraint Davies | 618 c309 (Link to this contribution)

Clearly they have come to the Government and said, “The only reason we’re in this country is to p...

Geraint Davies | 618 c309 (Link to this contribution)

I will not.

I do not think that people voted for Brexit—

Michael Gove | 618 c309 (Link to this contribution)

Will the hon. Gentleman give way?

Geraint Davies | 618 c310 (Link to this contribution)

No, I will not.

I do not think people voted for Brexit at any cost. In fact 75% of those wh...

Sammy Wilson | 618 c310 (Link to this contribution)

Is the logic of the hon. Gentleman’s argument that we might as well never trigger article 50 beca...

Geraint Davies | 618 c310 (Link to this contribution)

I introduced a Bill on the terms of our withdrawal from the EU. It stated that after the emergenc...

Simon Hoare | 618 c311 (Link to this contribution)

On a point of order, Madam Deputy Speaker. The hon. Member for Swansea West (Geraint Davies) has ...

Baroness Laing of Elderslie | 618 c311 (Link to this contribution)

As the hon. Member for North Dorset (Simon Hoare) knows, the content of an hon. Member’s speech i...

Geraint Davies | 618 c311 (Link to this contribution)

There was certainly no wrongdoing. What I was suggesting is that huge amounts of public money are...

Lucy Frazer | 618 cc311-2 (Link to this contribution)

In a debate with much intense feeling, I would like to highlight the fact that there are some are...

Alex Chalk | 618 c312 (Link to this contribution)

I was a remainer, too, and I welcome the fact that a statement of the broad parameters of the Bri...

Lucy Frazer | 618 cc312-3 (Link to this contribution)

I absolutely agree. It is vital that we get the best deal—not that we have the power to determine...

Caroline Lucas | 618 c313 (Link to this contribution)

I welcome the motion tabled by the official Opposition and I had been planning to vote to support...

Kirsty Blackman | 618 c313 (Link to this contribution)

Does the hon. Lady agree that some things we are voting on tonight totally disregard respect for ...

Caroline Lucas | 618 cc313-4 (Link to this contribution)

I absolutely agree with the hon. Lady’s point about the devolved Administrations. Her party has p...

Geraint Davies | 618 c314 (Link to this contribution)

Is the hon. Lady as concerned as I am that 40,000 people a year are dying of diesel pollution in ...

John Bercow | 618 c314 (Link to this contribution)

Order. May I just point out to the hon. Gentleman that he has just spoken and he is going to prev...

Caroline Lucas | 618 cc314-5 (Link to this contribution)

Thank you, Mr Speaker. In broad terms, I agree with the point the hon. Gentleman is making about ...

John Bercow | 618 c315 (Link to this contribution)

Order. Matt Warman is the next speaker. We have eight would-be contributors and I would like to a...

Matt Warman | 618 c315 (Link to this contribution)

Over the past few days, Mr Speaker, I have not seen as much of you as I might have liked, partly ...

Adrian Bailey | 618 cc315-6 (Link to this contribution)

I support the motion and, after some consideration, the Government amendment. I am prepared to su...

Richard Drax | 618 c316 (Link to this contribution)

It is a pleasure to take part in this debate. I have two minutes and 58 seconds to say an awful l...

Lord Clarke of Nottingham | 618 c316 (Link to this contribution)

I do not think either side should resort to attacking the voters on the other side. I did say tha...

Richard Drax | 618 c317 (Link to this contribution)

That is where I must disagree with my right hon. and learned Friend. Leaving the EU, as we have h...

David Lammy | 618 cc317-8 (Link to this contribution)

I congratulate my hon. and learned Friend the Member for Holborn and St Pancras (Keir Starmer) on...

David TC Davies | 618 cc318-9 (Link to this contribution)

Whether people like it or not, the referendum result gave the Government a very clear mandate to ...

Danny Kinahan | 618 c319 (Link to this contribution)

I am intrigued to follow the hon. Member for Monmouth (David T. C. Davies), but I would hope that...

Baroness Ritchie of Downpatrick | 618 c319 (Link to this contribution)

Does the hon. Gentleman agree that it is important that the Government are respectful of all poli...

Danny Kinahan | 618 cc319-320 (Link to this contribution)

I thank the hon. Lady; I could not agree more. That is exactly what I was leading up to. When we ...

Neil Carmichael | 618 cc320-1 (Link to this contribution)

As the Order Paper states very clearly, this debate is about the Government’s plan for Brexit, an...

Tulip Siddiq | 618 c321 (Link to this contribution)

I voted to remain in the European Union, as did 75% of my constituents, so it is not surprising t...

Kwasi Kwarteng | 618 cc321-2 (Link to this contribution)

I am very grateful to you, Mr Speaker—you have managed our debate—for allowing me to speak, becau...

Michael Gove | 618 c322 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend is a distinguished historian. Is there any precedent for the fact that the Conserv...

Kwasi Kwarteng | 618 c322 (Link to this contribution)

There is no precedent for this. One Labour resident of Islington—a friend of mine—said to me, “Th...

Baroness Chapman of Darlington | 618 cc322-4 (Link to this contribution)

For the benefit of the hon. Member for Spelthorne (Kwasi Kwarteng),

Baroness Chapman of Darlington | 618 c324 (Link to this contribution)

I will, but only once, as I am trying to wind up a six-hour debate in a very small amount of time...

Jim Cunningham | 618 c324 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend referred to our hon. Friend the Member for West Bromwich West (Mr Bailey). One of ...

Baroness Chapman of Darlington | 618 c324 (Link to this contribution)

Precisely.

We must know more than we do about the Government’s intentions. Surely, on the m...

Baroness Chapman of Darlington | 618 cc324-5 (Link to this contribution)

I will not give way.

There has been a vacuum, an empty space where the plan ought to be. As...

Baroness Chapman of Darlington | 618 c325 (Link to this contribution)

I have told the right hon. Gentleman that I will not give way.

We all know that there are t...

Robin Walker | 618 cc325-7 (Link to this contribution)

It is a pleasure to follow the hon. Member for Darlington (Jenny Chapman). I thank Members who ha...

Robin Walker | 618 cc327-8 (Link to this contribution)

I will not give way, I am afraid.

That brings me to the heart of the motion, which calls on...

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