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Driven Grouse Shooting

e-petition debate on Monday, 31 October 2016, in the House of Commons, led by Steve Double. The answering member was Therese Coffey.
Motion that this House has considered e-petitions 125003 and 164851 relating to driven grouse shooting. Agreed to on question. Sitting adjourned without Question put.
Type
Parliamentary proceeding
Reference
616 cc229-279WH 
Session
2016-17
Chamber / Committee
Westminster Hall
Petitions on grouse shooting.
Tuesday, 18 October 2016
Parliamentary committees
House of Commons
Petitions on grouse shooting.
Tuesday, 25 October 2016
Parliamentary committees
House of Commons
Driven grouse shooting
Thursday, 27 October 2016
Research briefings
e-petition debate on driven grouse shooting
Friday, 18 June 2021
Research briefings
Proceeding contributions
Steve Double | 616 cc229-230WH (Link to this contribution)

I beg to move,

That this House has considered e-petitions 125003 and 164851 relating to dri...

Lord Bellingham | 616 c230WH (Link to this contribution)

I am hesitant to interrupt such a superb speech, but my hon. Friend mentioned that one of the pet...


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Steve Double | 616 c230WH (Link to this contribution)

I agree very much with both my hon. Friend’s points.

Red grouse are not found anywhere in t...

Lord Herbert of South Downs | 616 c230WH (Link to this contribution)

I am sorry to interrupt my hon. Friend. Does he agree that the question is not just how this moor...

Steve Double | 616 c231WH (Link to this contribution)

My right hon. Friend makes a very good point, which I will develop later in my speech, and I agre...

Jonathan Djanogly | 616 c231WH (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend is making a very powerful case. It seems to me that the opponents of shooting grou...

Steve Double | 616 cc231-2WH (Link to this contribution)

I thank my hon. Friend for that intervention. Again, I agree with the points he makes.

Anot...

Bill Wiggin | 616 c232WH (Link to this contribution)

We often hear that grouse moors are sustainable because they receive funds under the basic paymen...

Steve Double | 616 c232WH (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend makes a valid point, which I will address at the end of my speech. Leaving the EU ...

Kerry McCarthy | 616 c232WH (Link to this contribution)

The Petitions Committee is quite new, but I would have thought that someone opening a debate on a...

Steve Double | 616 cc233-4WH (Link to this contribution)

I thank the hon. Lady for that intervention. I think I have presented arguments on both sides, an...

Philip Davies | 616 c234WH (Link to this contribution)

Order. As people can see, a considerable number of Members want to speak in this debate. To try t...

Angela C Smith | 616 cc234-6WH (Link to this contribution)

It is a pleasure to speak in this debate. The moors in my area are characterised by a long tradit...

Lord Soames of Fletching | 616 c236WH (Link to this contribution)

It is a great privilege to be called to speak in this debate about a matter that touches on issue...

Lord Bellingham | 616 c236WH (Link to this contribution)

Will my right hon. Friend give way?

Lord Soames of Fletching | 616 cc236-7WH (Link to this contribution)

I will press on—I am afraid I have not got any time.

The owners did that because they love ...

Jim Shannon | 616 cc237-9WH (Link to this contribution)

It is a pleasure to be called to speak in the debate. I thank the hon. Member for St Austell and ...

Lord Benyon | 616 cc239-241WH (Link to this contribution)

I refer hon. Members to my entry in the Register of Members’ Financial Interests. I had the honou...

Danny Kinahan | 616 cc241-2WH (Link to this contribution)

I thank the hon. Member for St Austell and Newquay (Steve Double) for introducing both petitions,...

Lisa Cameron | 616 c242WH (Link to this contribution)

Does the hon. Gentleman agree that we need to take account of climate change obligations? The Com...

Danny Kinahan | 616 c242WH (Link to this contribution)

I certainly take that point on board, but I go back to what I said at the beginning: we all need ...

Lord Bellingham | 616 c242WH (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Gentleman mentioned working together. Does he agree that a good start would be for the R...

Danny Kinahan | 616 c243WH (Link to this contribution)

I certainly agree. I would like to see the RSPB perhaps being less political and getting more inv...

Richard Arkless | 616 c243WH (Link to this contribution)

There seems to be a common concern on both sides of this debate, which is criminality. Both sides...

Danny Kinahan | 616 c243WH (Link to this contribution)

I take the hon. Gentleman’s point, but all sorts of problems come with vicarious responsibility, ...

Charles Walker | 616 cc243-4WH (Link to this contribution)

It is very nice to see you in the Chair imposing a time limit on speeches, Mr Davies. That is fan...

Charles Walker | 616 cc244-5WH (Link to this contribution)

No, I do not have time.

As I like to deal in facts, unlike Mr Avery, I have read the excell...

Philip Davies | 616 c245WH (Link to this contribution)

I am very grateful to the hon. Gentleman for mentioning Bingley, in my constituency.

5.29 p...

Kerry McCarthy | 616 cc245-6WH (Link to this contribution)

Thank you, Mr Davies. Let us be clear what we are debating today. It is not whether people are en...

Holly Lynch | 616 c246WH (Link to this contribution)

I thank my hon. Friend for coming to see the devastation in my constituency in Calderdale in the ...

Kerry McCarthy | 616 c246WH (Link to this contribution)

I agree entirely with my hon. Friend. She will know that Natural England initiated a prosecution,...

Craig Whittaker | 616 c246WH (Link to this contribution)

I thank the hon. Lady for coming up to the Calder Valley during the floods, which was a horrendou...

Kerry McCarthy | 616 cc246-8WH (Link to this contribution)

I went with the Uplands Alliance and the Moorland Association to an estate in Cumbria—we did not ...

Rishi Sunak | 616 c248WH (Link to this contribution)

It is a pleasure to be called to speak in this debate, Mr Davies.

Whenever a ban is propose...

Stephen Timms | 616 c248WH (Link to this contribution)

Will the hon. Gentleman give way?

Rishi Sunak | 616 c249WH (Link to this contribution)

I will not, out of respect to my colleagues, as there are many people still to contribute.

...

Rishi Sunak | 616 c249WH (Link to this contribution)

I will not, out of respect to my colleagues.

Some 80% of rare merlin—the UK’s smallest bird...

Craig Whittaker | 616 cc249-251WH (Link to this contribution)

It is a pleasure to serve under your chairmanship, Mr Davies.

Many people, not least the ho...

Julian Sturdy | 616 c251WH (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend is making a very important point about cool burning. Does he also recognise that c...

Craig Whittaker | 616 c251WH (Link to this contribution)

Yes, I thank my hon. Friend for that question. He is absolutely right. A key point about the over...

Angela C Smith | 616 c251WH (Link to this contribution)

Does the hon. Gentleman not acknowledge that although landowners make a significant contribution ...

Craig Whittaker | 616 cc251-2WH (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Lady is absolutely right. A lot of this stuff is done in partnership with Natural Englan...

Nigel Adams | 616 c252WH (Link to this contribution)

As many will know, driven grouse shooting is a really important aspect of the economy and rural c...

Richard Arkless | 616 c252WH (Link to this contribution)

Since I was elected to this place, economics has been used to justify dropping bombs, supplying a...

Nigel Adams | 616 c252WH (Link to this contribution)

I appreciate the hon. Gentleman’s intervention, but it is probably one of the most nonsensical I ...

Steve Double | 616 c253WH (Link to this contribution)

Does my hon. Friend agree that there is nothing moral about knowingly making a decision that will...

Nigel Adams | 616 cc253-4WH (Link to this contribution)

I could not agree more with my hon. Friend, and I congratulate him again for introducing this pet...

Simon Hart | 616 cc254-5WH (Link to this contribution)

I draw the attention of the House to my entry in the Register of Members’ Financial Interests, as...

Stephen Timms | 616 c255WH (Link to this contribution)

Will the hon. Gentleman give way?

Simon Hart | 616 c255WH (Link to this contribution)

If it is a quick one. I always regret giving way, but I will do so for the right hon. Gentleman.<...

Stephen Timms | 616 c255WH (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Gentleman has not yet mentioned hen harriers. A lot of my constituents are deeply concer...

Simon Hart | 616 cc255-6WH (Link to this contribution)

If the right hon. Gentleman—and this is not an insult—had been around earlier, he would have hear...

Geoffrey Clifton-Brown | 616 cc256-7WH (Link to this contribution)

I must immediately declare an interest as chairman of the all-party group on shooting and conserv...

Geoffrey Clifton-Brown | 616 cc257-8WH (Link to this contribution)

We are getting close to the end of this debate, so I will move on.

On licensing and regulat...

David Nuttall | 616 c258WH (Link to this contribution)

For the benefit of all Members here, this debate is scheduled to finish at 7.30 pm. Thanks to the...

Antoinette Sandbach | 616 c258WH (Link to this contribution)

It is a pleasure to serve under your chairmanship, Mr Nuttall. I am pleased to contribute to this...

Angela C Smith | 616 c258WH (Link to this contribution)

I appreciate the hon. Lady’s point, but the latest report of the Peak District raptor monitoring ...

Antoinette Sandbach | 616 cc258-9WH (Link to this contribution)

I would be grateful if the hon. Lady provided me with a peer-reviewed study showing those numbers...

Charles Walker | 616 c259WH (Link to this contribution)

I point out to my hon. Friend that the Avian Population Estimates Panel states that 100 years ago...

Antoinette Sandbach | 616 c259WH (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful to my hon. Friend for quoting those data. I would have referred to them myself. Fur...

Richard Drax | 616 cc259-260WH (Link to this contribution)

It is nice to be under your chairmanship, Mr Nuttall. I refer Members to my entry in the Register...

Caroline Lucas | 616 c260WH (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Gentleman has talked a lot about evidence, as have previous Conservative speakers. Can h...

Richard Drax | 616 cc260-2WH (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful for that intervention. If the hon. Lady will wait, I will come to that point, and I...

Gerald Howarth | 616 c262WH (Link to this contribution)

I am very pleased to take part in this debate. As befits the Member of Parliament for Aldershot, ...

Caroline Lucas | 616 c262WH (Link to this contribution)

I want to come back to the point about climate change. When the hon. Gentleman talks about scient...

Gerald Howarth | 616 cc262-4WH (Link to this contribution)

All the hon. Lady has managed to do, I am afraid, is illustrate her complete and utter obsession ...

Andrew Bingham | 616 cc264-5WH (Link to this contribution)

It is a pleasure to serve under your chairmanship, Mr Nuttall. In a constituency such as mine, th...

Angela C Smith | 616 c265WH (Link to this contribution)

I feel the need to respond to that point because I have been named. That just is not true. There ...

Andrew Bingham | 616 c265WH (Link to this contribution)

I refer the hon. Lady to an article that appeared in The Derbyshire Magazine written by Jim Dixon...

Angela C Smith | 616 c265WH (Link to this contribution)

In the Peak district, not in my constituency.

Andrew Bingham | 616 c265WH (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Lady just said that there were none in the Peak district. I shall confirm it with the ch...

Nigel Adams | 616 c265WH (Link to this contribution)

Those who seek to ban driven grouse shooting, such as Mr Avery, who my hon. Friend the Member for...

Andrew Bingham | 616 c266WH (Link to this contribution)

I completely agree. I think the figures cited earlier were that that alternative would account fo...

Simon Hart | 616 c266WH (Link to this contribution)

On enforcement, does my hon. Friend agree that trying to write a law that defines shooting a grou...

Andrew Bingham | 616 c266WH (Link to this contribution)

Yes, that would be completely unenforceable and probably slightly ridiculous.

Grouse shooti...

Chris Davies | 616 cc266-7WH (Link to this contribution)

It is a great pleasure to serve under your chairmanship, Mr Nuttall. I thank the Petitions Commit...

Antoinette Sandbach | 616 c267WH (Link to this contribution)

The problem is the grips on the land, which are basically big ditches that were dug out of the mo...

Chris Davies | 616 cc267-8WH (Link to this contribution)

I agree with my hon. Friend. When wearing another hat, I am the chair of the all-party group on f...

Angela C Smith | 616 c268WH (Link to this contribution)

I thank my fellow member of the Select Committee for giving way. Only 12% of blanket bog in sites...

Chris Davies | 616 cc268-9WH (Link to this contribution)

I am delighted to hear my fellow member of the EFRA Committee talking so much sense. Yes, of cour...

David Nuttall | 616 c269WH (Link to this contribution)

We now move to the speeches from the Front Benches.

6.56 pm

Rachael Maskell | 616 cc269-270WH (Link to this contribution)

As always, it is a pleasure to serve under your chairmanship, Mr Nuttall.

I thank those who...

Gerald Howarth | 616 c270WH (Link to this contribution)

I think the hon. Lady’s remarks referred to me. The only point I was making was that, as my hon. ...

Rachael Maskell | 616 c270WH (Link to this contribution)

I say to the hon. Gentleman, do not make assumptions about the research that constituents make in...

Rachael Maskell | 616 c270WH (Link to this contribution)

I am going to move on. There are areas on which everyone can agree, such as the need to ensure th...

Antoinette Sandbach | 616 c270WH (Link to this contribution)

Will the hon. Lady give way on that point?

Rachael Maskell | 616 cc270-1WH (Link to this contribution)

If I may, I am just going to make my opening remarks.

Taking no action over driven grouse s...

Charles Walker | 616 c271WH (Link to this contribution)

As I said in my speech, we saw flooding in December 2015 because it had been the wettest two mont...

Rachael Maskell | 616 c271WH (Link to this contribution)

I listened carefully to the hon. Gentleman’s speech. Yes, there were unprecedented levels of rain...

Kerry McCarthy | 616 c271WH (Link to this contribution)

I also visited my hon. Friend’s constituency during the Boxing day floods. During that period we ...

Rachael Maskell | 616 cc271-2WH (Link to this contribution)

That is very much what the former Minister said in every single contribution we heard about the n...

Simon Hart | 616 c272WH (Link to this contribution)

The Environment, Food and Rural Affairs Committee report into flooding will be published the day ...

Rachael Maskell | 616 c272WH (Link to this contribution)

I will, of course, read the report as soon as it is published because, I, like so many MPs, have ...

Craig Whittaker | 616 c272WH (Link to this contribution)

I absolutely agree with much of what the hon. Lady has said about the need for a wider catchment ...

Rachael Maskell | 616 c272WH (Link to this contribution)

Indeed. I have been one of the proponents of the need to get on with the wider catchment manageme...

Rachael Maskell | 616 cc272-3WH (Link to this contribution)

I want to move on to the next issue. I have limited time and I have generously allowed interventi...

Geoffrey Clifton-Brown | 616 c273WH (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful to the hon. Lady for giving way right at the end. On the all-or-nothing point, does...

Rachael Maskell | 616 cc273-4WH (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Gentleman may have heard me calling for more research to take the whole debate forward. ...

Charles Walker | 616 c274WH (Link to this contribution)

On a point of order, Mr Nuttall. The Labour Front-Bench spokesperson has been very generous in gi...

David Nuttall | 616 c275WH (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful to the hon. Gentleman for that point of order. I am sure that the shadow Minister i...

Rachael Maskell | 616 c275WH (Link to this contribution)

Thank you, Mr Nuttall. I am just coming to my concluding remarks. There are many issues that we w...

Therese Coffey | 616 cc275-6WH (Link to this contribution)

It is a pleasure to serve under your chairmanship, Mr Nuttall, in this debate, which was chosen b...

Therese Coffey | 616 cc276-7WH (Link to this contribution)

With respect to the hon. Lady, I have less time than the shadow Front Bencher took, so I will try...

Therese Coffey | 616 cc277-8WH (Link to this contribution)

I am afraid I will not give way to the hon. Lady, who was not here at the start of the debate.

Therese Coffey | 616 cc278-280WH (Link to this contribution)

I cannot, but I promise to come to the hon. Lady at the end if I have time.

Upland peat is ...

David Nuttall | 616 c279WH (Link to this contribution)

Mr Double, you have about 30 seconds to wind up the debate.

7.29 pm

Steve Double | 616 c279WH (Link to this contribution)

I thank all right hon. and hon. Members who contributed to the debate. It is good to see a lively...

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