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Middle East

Backbench debate on Monday, 30 November 2015, in the House of Commons, led by Phillip Lee. The answering member was Tobias Ellwood.
Backbench debate (unallotted day). Agreed to on question
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Parliamentary proceeding
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603 cc46-125 
Session
2015-16
Chamber / Committee
House of Commons chamber
Proceeding contributions
John Bercow | 603 c46 (Link to this contribution)

Before I call the hon. Member for Bracknell (Dr Lee) to move the motion, I should point out that ...

Phillip Lee | 603 cc46-50 (Link to this contribution)

I beg to move,

That this House has considered the UK’s role in the Middle East.

I tha...


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Baroness Laing of Elderslie | 603 c48 (Link to this contribution)

Order. It will be obvious to the House that a great many colleagues wish to take part in the deba...

Madeleine Moon | 603 cc48-51 (Link to this contribution)

It is a great pleasure to follow that wide-ranging and comprehensive speech from the hon. Member ...

Derek Twigg | 603 c51 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend is making a very powerful speech. When we went to Iraq as a Defence Committee—my h...

Madeleine Moon | 603 c51 (Link to this contribution)

I thank my hon. Friend, who is absolutely right. The critical issue is how we engage the Sunni tr...

James Gray | 603 c51 (Link to this contribution)

I, too, was on the same trip, but I visited the peshmerga in the north of Iraq whereas she and he...

Madeleine Moon | 603 cc51-2 (Link to this contribution)

I thank the hon. Gentleman, who serves valiantly on the Defence Select Committee with me. I know ...

John Redwood | 603 c52 (Link to this contribution)

Is it not also the case that if we are to launch air-to-ground attacks, we need to be able to col...

Madeleine Moon | 603 c52 (Link to this contribution)

That is exactly the information that we need. We know that 360 attacks have been made by our plan...

Lord Lilley | 603 cc52-3 (Link to this contribution)

I congratulate my hon. Friend the Member for Bracknell (Dr Lee) on securing the debate, and on hi...

Madeleine Moon | 603 c53 (Link to this contribution)

Is the right hon. Gentleman aware that when the Select Committee was in Iraq, we were told that 1...

Lord Lilley | 603 c53 (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Lady has made a very good point, and she made an extremely good speech.

I would li...

John Redwood | 603 c53 (Link to this contribution)

But is not the issue for any Government contemplating air strikes the question of who they would ...

Lord Lilley | 603 cc53-5 (Link to this contribution)

My right hon. Friend is absolutely right. We have signally failed to train any forces, and is far...

Stewart Malcolm McDonald | 603 cc55-6 (Link to this contribution)

I, too, begin by thanking the hon. Member for Bracknell (Dr Lee) for securing this debate. One of...

Crispin Blunt | 603 c56 (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Gentleman is getting to the heart of the issue. The Prime Minister was able to come pret...

Stewart Malcolm McDonald | 603 cc56-7 (Link to this contribution)

I always listen to the hon. Gentleman with great respect, and he makes an important point. The Vi...

Andrew Turner | 603 c57 (Link to this contribution)

Four out of four of our speakers have been brilliant. My contribution will be a little more modes...

Bob Stewart | 603 c57 (Link to this contribution)

I am always extremely worried when someone makes a definitive statement that says that we will no...

Andrew Turner | 603 c57 (Link to this contribution)

I can well understand my hon. Friend fearing that, but the Prime Minister himself said that we sh...

Jim Shannon | 603 cc57-8 (Link to this contribution)

It is always a pleasure to speak on these issues, and this is an important and highly topical deb...

Angus Brendan MacNeil | 603 c58 (Link to this contribution)

Is there not a problem in the eastern Mediterranean, as the Greek Prime Minister has attacked his...

Jim Shannon | 603 c59 (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Gentleman is absolutely right: that is not the way to behave. None the less, we have to ...

Daniel Kawczynski | 603 cc59-60 (Link to this contribution)

I, too, congratulate my hon. Friend the Member for Bracknell (Dr Lee) on securing this important ...

Bob Stewart | 603 c60 (Link to this contribution)

On that point, we must fully understand that the United Kingdom still has an exceptionally good r...

Daniel Kawczynski | 603 cc60-1 (Link to this contribution)

Very much so. When one travels throughout the middle east, time and again people highlight the fa...

Adam Afriyie | 603 c61 (Link to this contribution)

I thank my hon. Friend for giving way and for making an exceedingly insightful point. Does he sha...

Daniel Kawczynski | 603 c61 (Link to this contribution)

I very much agree, and I am grateful to my hon. Friend for raising that point. I will refer to Sy...

Rehman Chishti | 603 c61 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend talks about the Free Syrian Army and the figure of 70,000. It has been said that t...

Daniel Kawczynski | 603 cc61-2 (Link to this contribution)

That is a point well made, and I hope that my hon. Friend will be able to build upon it in his co...

Angus Brendan MacNeil | 603 c62 (Link to this contribution)

On a point of order, Madam Deputy Speaker. It has come to my attention, through BuzzFeed and Twit...

Baroness Laing of Elderslie | 603 c62 (Link to this contribution)

I thank the hon. Gentleman for his point of order. Of course, I have no way of knowing whether an...

Peter Grant | 603 cc62-3 (Link to this contribution)

Latha naomh Anndra sona dhuibh—I wish everyone a happy St Andrew’s day. That includes the 90% who...

Daniel Kawczynski | 603 c63 (Link to this contribution)

I note the hon. Gentleman’s comments about Saudi Arabia. As I am sure he is aware, his hon. Frien...

Peter Grant | 603 c63 (Link to this contribution)

I have no doubt that there is a Saudi story, but that story is not the only one that deserves to ...

Stephen Gethins | 603 c63 (Link to this contribution)

Today is St Andrew’s day, and I note that he was another welcome middle eastern immigrant to Scot...

Peter Grant | 603 cc63-4 (Link to this contribution)

I would certainly welcome such an investigation, although perhaps it should have taken place befo...

James Gray | 603 c64 (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Gentleman makes an interesting point about whether the twists and turns of political for...

Peter Grant | 603 cc64-5 (Link to this contribution)

My comments are not about whether individual groups of MPs apply a whip or respect a whip that ma...

Rehman Chishti | 603 c65 (Link to this contribution)

Will the hon. Gentleman give way?

Peter Grant | 603 c65 (Link to this contribution)

I said that I would give way only once more, but since it is the hon. Gentleman, I will.

Rehman Chishti | 603 c65 (Link to this contribution)

I fully agree with the hon. Gentleman’s remarks. Military action can degrade, control and contain...

Peter Grant | 603 c65 (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful to the hon. Gentleman for that comment. The question I asked of the Prime Minister ...

Baroness Laing of Elderslie | 603 c65 (Link to this contribution)

I was going to let the hon. Gentleman finish his sentence, since it is St Andrew’s day.

Peter Grant | 603 c65 (Link to this contribution)

Thank you, Madam Deputy Speaker. I finished at that point as I was expecting to be told that my t...

Angela Watkinson | 603 cc65-6 (Link to this contribution)

I intend to take a slightly different tack in not speaking, like most colleagues, about ISIL or D...

Andy Slaughter | 603 c66 (Link to this contribution)

If the hon. Lady is going to quote statistics, she should perhaps do so completely. Since the beg...

Angela Watkinson | 603 c66 (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Gentleman is quoting from his speech, and I will come to those matters as I continue wit...

John Howell | 603 c66 (Link to this contribution)

I wonder whether my hon. Friend, like me, has been to Save a Child’s Heart in Tel Aviv and acknow...

Angela Watkinson | 603 cc66-7 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend is absolutely right. When I continue my remarks, he will find that I cover that.

Andy Slaughter | 603 c67 (Link to this contribution)

After much reflection and research, and after listening to the views of many people, including co...

Madeleine Moon | 603 c67 (Link to this contribution)

The Prime Minister has said that the head of the serpent is in Raqqa and that therefore we must a...

Andy Slaughter | 603 cc67-8 (Link to this contribution)

With all due respect to the Prime Minister, my hon. Friend is quite right: his was a rather simpl...

Karen Buck | 603 c68 (Link to this contribution)

Does my hon. Friend agree that it is essential to build an international alliance in order to tak...

Andy Slaughter | 603 c68 (Link to this contribution)

I agree, and I will come in a moment to what I think we should be doing.

In addition to the...

Seema Kennedy | 603 c68 (Link to this contribution)

Will the hon. Gentleman give way?

Andy Slaughter | 603 cc68-9 (Link to this contribution)

I will not.

I want Britain to engage in a concerted diplomatic effort to wean Russia and Ir...

Tom Tugendhat | 603 c69 (Link to this contribution)

Will the hon. Gentleman give way?

Andy Slaughter | 603 cc69-70 (Link to this contribution)

I am sorry, but I will not, because of the time.

There are often distractions. Because the ...

Heather Wheeler | 603 c70 (Link to this contribution)

I congratulate my hon. Friend the Member for Bracknell (Dr Lee) on securing this important and ti...

Tom Tugendhat | 603 c70 (Link to this contribution)

I very much welcome my hon. Friend’s comments on the state of Christianity in the region. It is, ...

Heather Wheeler | 603 c70 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend has made the point superbly well already.

Madeleine Moon | 603 c71 (Link to this contribution)

During its visit to Iraq, the Defence Committee also went to Jordan. One of the things we were ex...

Heather Wheeler | 603 c71 (Link to this contribution)

I thank the hon. Lady very much for her intervention. Perhaps I should not call it a highlight of...

Lisa Cameron | 603 cc71-2 (Link to this contribution)

I wish you an excellent St Andrew’s day, Madam Deputy Speaker. I am aware of your very strong Gae...

Hannah Bardell | 603 c72 (Link to this contribution)

Will my hon. Friend join me in congratulating our First Minister, Nicola Sturgeon, on her invitat...

Lisa Cameron | 603 c72 (Link to this contribution)

I do congratulate the First Minister and emphasise that diplomacy is important.

Nick Witney...

James Gray | 603 c72 (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Lady is making a very interesting point, but was she not here when the Chairman of the F...

Lisa Cameron | 603 c73 (Link to this contribution)

I was here for the statement and I heard the Chairman of the Select Committee state those views. ...

Nadhim Zahawi | 603 cc73-4 (Link to this contribution)

I commend my hon. Friend the Member for Bracknell (Dr Lee) on bringing this important debate to t...

Tom Tugendhat | 603 c74 (Link to this contribution)

Does my hon. Friend recognise that this is not the first time in the history of the middle east t...

Nadhim Zahawi | 603 cc74-5 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend is absolutely right. He is a great scholar and I look forward to his contribution ...

Rehman Chishti | 603 c75 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend talks about influence in Baghdad, but does he agree that one of our failures was i...

Nadhim Zahawi | 603 cc75-6 (Link to this contribution)

I thank my hon. Friend, and I am coming on to that point. He is right to point out the shortcomin...

Roger Mullin | 603 c76 (Link to this contribution)

It is some years since I worked in the middle east, so what I am about to say is fashioned mainly...

Stephen Gethins | 603 c76 (Link to this contribution)

Given those numbers, does my hon. Friend agree that we should pay tribute to the people of Jordan...

Roger Mullin | 603 c76 (Link to this contribution)

I agree entirely, and in a Westminster Hall debate some weeks ago I argued that we must do more f...

Chris Green | 603 c77 (Link to this contribution)

If ISIL is to remain in the middle east, and more and more people are purged from that putative s...

Roger Mullin | 603 c77 (Link to this contribution)

My concern is about the most innocent and vulnerable people. Of course we want an end to terroris...

Rehman Chishti | 603 c77 (Link to this contribution)

In defeating this evil organisation, we must defeat its ideology, appeal and self-proclaimed legi...

Roger Mullin | 603 cc77-8 (Link to this contribution)

They are indeed evil scum. I pay tribute to the many Members who call this scum by their proper n...

Madeleine Moon | 603 c78 (Link to this contribution)

I am sorry to interrupt the hon. Gentleman, but I have visited the Falkland Islands many times. T...

Roger Mullin | 603 c78 (Link to this contribution)

I accept that that is true in some regard. However, a UK Government programme is still under way ...

Tobias Ellwood | 603 c78 (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful to my hon. Friend the Member for Bracknell (Dr Lee) and my hon. and learned Friend ...

Tom Tugendhat | 603 c78 (Link to this contribution)

The Minister is making some excellent points. We talk very often about cyber-terrorism. Al-Khwari...

Tobias Ellwood | 603 c79 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend underlines my point about the history.

This is a proud and fragmented part o...

Madeleine Moon | 603 c79 (Link to this contribution)

I know how diligent the Minister has been in getting to understand the region, and in visiting an...

Tobias Ellwood | 603 c79 (Link to this contribution)

One week ago, the hon. Lady could have made a powerful case for that, but I am pleased to say tha...

Oliver Dowden | 603 c79 (Link to this contribution)

I know that my hon. Friend is familiar with the case of my constituent’s father, Mr Kamal Forough...

Tobias Ellwood | 603 c80 (Link to this contribution)

I think we are having a meeting about this next week. The fact that we now have a dialogue with I...

Keith Vaz | 603 c80 (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful to the Minister for mentioning Yemen, which should not be forgotten when discussing...

Tobias Ellwood | 603 c80 (Link to this contribution)

First, may I acknowledge the right hon. Gentleman’s commitment to the country as chair of the all...

Daniel Kawczynski | 603 c80 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend will share my tremendous frustration that a government of national unity in Libya ...

Tobias Ellwood | 603 cc80-1 (Link to this contribution)

I was involved in speaking to members of delegations on both sides at the UN General Assembly, an...

Stephen Gethins | 603 c81 (Link to this contribution)

Can the Minister update us on when we might expect a vote on air strikes being extended to Syria ...

Tobias Ellwood | 603 cc81-2 (Link to this contribution)

I hear the words of the hon. Gentleman, who places his concerns on the record, but I seek your gu...

Carol Monaghan | 603 c82 (Link to this contribution)

Will the hon. Gentleman give way?

Tobias Ellwood | 603 cc82-3 (Link to this contribution)

I will not, I am afraid.

That mission creep is the changing of tactics directly to attack w...

Tommy Sheppard | 603 cc83-4 (Link to this contribution)

On behalf of my party, I applaud the Back Benchers who have secured today’s debate. We now know f...

Tom Tugendhat | 603 c84 (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Gentleman makes an excellent point about the very policies that Her Majesty’s Government...

Tommy Sheppard | 603 cc84-5 (Link to this contribution)

My point is that it must be on the agenda, and that we cannot have a situation whereby we appear ...

Tom Tugendhat | 603 c85 (Link to this contribution)

Will the hon. Gentleman give way?

Tommy Sheppard | 603 c85 (Link to this contribution)

I am not sure whether I will be given extra time, but I will take the intervention anyway.

Tom Tugendhat | 603 c85 (Link to this contribution)

Will the hon. Gentleman forgive me if I make a very short comment on the Israel-Palestine questio...

Tommy Sheppard | 603 cc85-6 (Link to this contribution)

It is distinct, but it is not possible to consider a lasting peace in the middle east without add...

Rehman Chishti | 603 c86 (Link to this contribution)

Will the hon. Gentleman give way?

Tommy Sheppard | 603 c86 (Link to this contribution)

Again, I am not sure whether I have time, but I will take the intervention.

Rehman Chishti | 603 c86 (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Gentleman will know, in relation to numbers on the ground, that at the Vienna conference...

Tommy Sheppard | 603 cc86-7 (Link to this contribution)

I share the hon. Gentleman’s scepticism in this regard. Last Thursday I asked the Prime Minister ...

Diana Johnson | 603 c87 (Link to this contribution)

On a point of order, Madam Deputy Speaker. Further to the point of order that was raised earlier ...

Baroness Laing of Elderslie | 603 c87 (Link to this contribution)

I have not received any confirmation or otherwise from a Minister, but I have been in the Chair f...

David Jones | 603 cc87-9 (Link to this contribution)

I, too, congratulate my hon. Friend the Member for Bracknell (Dr Lee) on securing this important ...

Keith Vaz | 603 c88 (Link to this contribution)

I know that the focus of the House has mainly been on Syria today, but now that we know we will b...

Tobias Ellwood | 603 c90 (Link to this contribution)

I pay tribute to the work that the right hon. Gentleman has done on this subject. I spoke to Pres...

Keith Vaz | 603 c90 (Link to this contribution)

The Minister is right to say that we should not allow ourselves to be diverted from this. I welco...

Tobias Ellwood | 603 c90 (Link to this contribution)

I understand that a number of people have dropped out of this debate because there is apparently ...

Keith Vaz | 603 c91 (Link to this contribution)

That is very good news. Every time the Minister gets to that Dispatch Box, he gives the House som...

Paul Maynard | 603 cc91-3 (Link to this contribution)

I have been sitting here racking my brains trying to remember which of Philip Larkin’s poems cont...

Mark Durkan | 603 cc93-4 (Link to this contribution)

I have not been able to sit through all of this debate, but it has been a pleasure none the less ...

Natascha Engel | 603 c95 (Link to this contribution)

Order. Before I call the next speaker, let me say that there have been quite a large number of Me...

John Howell | 603 cc95-6 (Link to this contribution)

Thank you, Madam Deputy Speaker. I will try to fill the 10 minutes that you have now made availab...

Angus Brendan MacNeil | 603 c96 (Link to this contribution)

I understand from the Chair of the Foreign Affairs Committee that the UK has eight planes in Iraq...

John Howell | 603 cc96-7 (Link to this contribution)

That is a debate we can have on Wednesday, I am not going to answer that question now.

We n...

Bob Blackman | 603 c97 (Link to this contribution)

Turkey is still talking to the European Union about accession, so when the Government take such a...

John Howell | 603 c97 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend raises an important point. At best, it sends a very confused signal and, at worst,...

Edward Argar | 603 c97 (Link to this contribution)

Does my hon. Friend agree that sadly the same is true of the press’s attention to the conflict in...

John Howell | 603 c97 (Link to this contribution)

To a certain extent, the press are still not looking at Yemen. We have heard excellent contributi...

David Rutley | 603 c97 (Link to this contribution)

Does my hon. Friend agree that it is not just the media? Too often, many of us looking on events ...

John Howell | 603 c97 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend makes a good point. It is time to look at the bigger picture, and I am sure that t...

Tobias Ellwood | 603 cc97-8 (Link to this contribution)

I am delighted to use up the last minute of my hon. Friend’s time by responding to the two points...

John Howell | 603 c98 (Link to this contribution)

I thank the Minister for that. We will probably have further discussions about Turkey.

8.11...

Peter Dowd | 603 cc98-9 (Link to this contribution)

I, too, will not take up my allotted time. Nevertheless, thank you for your generosity, Madam Dep...

Seema Kennedy | 603 c99 (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Gentleman said that there is no plan on who will govern Syria after any intervention. Su...

Peter Dowd | 603 c99 (Link to this contribution)

That is a fair point. At the end of the day, that is where we are. We have absolutely no idea: th...

Tobias Ellwood | 603 c99 (Link to this contribution)

Perhaps I can clarify for the House the fact that bombing is already under way in Syria. Britain ...

Peter Dowd | 603 cc99-100 (Link to this contribution)

I welcome the Minister’s clarification, but it does not go far enough. The process is incremental...

Richard Drax | 603 cc100-2 (Link to this contribution)

It is a pleasure to take part in the debate. I congratulate my hon. Friend the Member for Brackne...

Edward Argar | 603 cc101-3 (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful for the opportunity to speak in this timely and important debate and pay tribute to...

Seema Kennedy | 603 c103 (Link to this contribution)

Does my hon. Friend agree that the main external actor in the Israel-Palestine situation is the U...

Edward Argar | 603 cc103-4 (Link to this contribution)

I agree entirely with my hon. Friend. The United Kingdom, with its historical links and understan...

Chris Green | 603 c104 (Link to this contribution)

Does my hon. Friend think that the media have a responsibility to highlight what is going on in Y...

Edward Argar | 603 cc104-5 (Link to this contribution)

I agree entirely with my hon. Friend. Not only do the media have a responsibility to cover confli...

Chris Bryant | 603 cc105-6 (Link to this contribution)

On a point of order, Mr Deputy Speaker. Last Thursday I warmly commended the Prime Minister on th...

Lindsay Hoyle | 603 c106 (Link to this contribution)

I thank the hon. Gentleman for his point of order. To run through his questions, he is absolutely...

Chris Green | 603 cc106-7 (Link to this contribution)

I thank the Backbench Business Committee. I congratulate my hon. Friend the Member for Bracknell ...

Tobias Ellwood | 603 c107 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend is making a powerful case. He is right to speak about the Iraqi forces. We have pe...

Chris Green | 603 cc107-9 (Link to this contribution)

I agree with the Minister. He makes a strong point. The more united our front is, the more that g...

Stephen Phillips | 603 cc109-110 (Link to this contribution)

It is a huge pleasure to follow my hon. Friend the Member for Bolton West (Chris Green) after suc...

Tobias Ellwood | 603 c110 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. and learned Friend is making a powerful speech. I thank him again for securing the debate...

Stephen Phillips | 603 cc110-1 (Link to this contribution)

I agree with the Minister on that. The difficulty will be which candidates are permitted by the G...

Edward Argar | 603 c111 (Link to this contribution)

As ever, my hon. and learned Friend is as erudite as he is eloquent. Does he agree that, although...

Stephen Phillips | 603 cc111-2 (Link to this contribution)

I do agree, and in fact it affects stability not just in the middle east but across other oil-pro...

Tania Mathias | 603 cc112-3 (Link to this contribution)

I, too, commend my hon. Friend the Member for Bracknell (Dr Lee) for securing this important deba...

Seema Kennedy | 603 cc113-4 (Link to this contribution)

I begin by paying tribute to my hon. Friend the Member for Bracknell (Dr Lee) for securing this i...

Chris Green | 603 c114 (Link to this contribution)

We often hear about modernisation in Iran. Does my hon. Friend believe that it is making good pro...

Seema Kennedy | 603 cc114-5 (Link to this contribution)

I do not think anyone would say that the Supreme Leader was a moderniser. The President is, but t...

Lindsay Hoyle | 603 c115 (Link to this contribution)

Order. I suggest that hon. Members now speak for six minutes, as I want to bring the shadow Minis...

Bob Blackman | 603 cc115-6 (Link to this contribution)

It is an honour to follow my hon. Friend the Member for South Ribble (Seema Kennedy). She made a ...

Tania Mathias | 603 c116 (Link to this contribution)

I agree that the rebuilding in Gaza is crucial. Will my hon. Friend join me in asking the Ministe...

Bob Blackman | 603 cc116-7 (Link to this contribution)

It is key that we monitor what is done. Clearly, Hamas is still using its power to divert aid and...

David Rutley | 603 cc117-8 (Link to this contribution)

It is an honour to follow my hon. Friend the Member for Harrow East (Bob Blackman), who, as alway...

Lord Evans of Rainow | 603 cc118-120 (Link to this contribution)

It is a pleasure to follow my hon. Friend the Member for Macclesfield (David Rutley), and I congr...

Bob Stewart | 603 cc119-121 (Link to this contribution)

I want to concentrate on the possible effectiveness of air strikes against Daesh in Syria.

...

Diana Johnson | 603 cc121-4 (Link to this contribution)

I congratulate the hon. Member for Bracknell (Dr Lee) and other Members who secured this timely d...

Phillip Lee | 603 cc123-5 (Link to this contribution)

We have heard many outstanding speeches from Members in all parts of the House. I particularly th...

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