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Childcare Bill [Lords]

Debate on bills on Wednesday, 25 November 2015, in the House of Commons, led by Baroness Morgan of Cotes. The answering member was Lucy Powell.
Second reading. Agreed to on question. Programme motion on proceedings in Public Bill committee, legislative grand committee and third reading. Agreed to on question. Money resolution. Agreed to on question.
Type
Parliamentary proceeding
Reference
602 cc1413-1455 
Session
2015-16
Legislative stage
Second reading
Chamber / Committee
House of Commons chamber
Childcare Bill (HL) 2015-16. Brought from the Lords.
Monday, 26 October 2015
Bills
House of Commons
Deposited Paper DEP2015-0923
Wednesday, 25 November 2015
Deposited papers
House of Commons
Proceeding contributions
Baroness Laing of Elderslie | 602 c1413 (Link to this contribution)

As we come on to the Childcare Bill [Lords], I have to remind the House that Mr Speaker has certi...

Baroness Morgan of Cotes | 602 c1413 (Link to this contribution)

I beg to move, That the Bill be now read a Second time.

I am delighted to open this Second ...


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Maria Miller | 602 c1413 (Link to this contribution)

My right hon. Friend rightly says that she wants to make sure that her measures are delivering fo...

Baroness Morgan of Cotes | 602 cc1413-4 (Link to this contribution)

I thank my right hon. Friend very much indeed for that question. She raises an important point. W...

Michael Tomlinson | 602 c1414 (Link to this contribution)

I am very grateful for what the Secretary of State has said, but can she reassure nursery provide...

Baroness Morgan of Cotes | 602 c1414 (Link to this contribution)

I am delighted to hear about the work of the nurseries in my hon. Friend’s constituency. Yes, I c...

Bob Stewart | 602 c1414 (Link to this contribution)

The doubling of hours for childcare is great, but how will we ensure that the quality of the care...

Baroness Morgan of Cotes | 602 c1414 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend has raised an important point. We are, of course, doubling the entitlement to free...

Emily Thornberry | 602 c1414 (Link to this contribution)

The right hon. Lady will correct me if my reading of the Blue Book is wrong, but I understand tha...

Baroness Morgan of Cotes | 602 c1414 (Link to this contribution)

I shall go on to talk about the hourly rate. I shall be publishing the findings of the funding ra...

Julian Sturdy | 602 c1414 (Link to this contribution)

The Secretary of State is right to refer to the fairer funding formula, which is vital to nurseri...

Baroness Morgan of Cotes | 602 c1415 (Link to this contribution)

I will come on to that, but my hon. Friend is absolutely right. As I have said, we want as much m...

Emily Thornberry | 602 c1415 (Link to this contribution)

Will the Secretary of State give way?

Baroness Morgan of Cotes | 602 c1415 (Link to this contribution)

I am going to make some progress. I think the hon. Lady will want to hear what I say about rates....

Flick Drummond | 602 c1416 (Link to this contribution)

Does my right hon. Friend agree that the 124 childminders who create 597 places in Portsmouth mak...

Baroness Morgan of Cotes | 602 c1416 (Link to this contribution)

I thank my hon. Friend for her intervention. Childcare by childminders is very much part of the r...

Carol Monaghan | 602 c1416 (Link to this contribution)

Will the Secretary of State give way?

Baroness Morgan of Cotes | 602 cc1416-7 (Link to this contribution)

I am going to make some progress on this paragraph and then I will come back to the hon. Lady.

Emily Thornberry | 602 c1417 (Link to this contribution)

I am sorry; I remain genuinely confused. I hear the Secretary of State talking about a fairer fun...

Baroness Morgan of Cotes | 602 c1417 (Link to this contribution)

I suggest that the hon. Lady look at the review, which is being published as I speak. The figure ...

Baroness Morgan of Cotes | 602 c1417 (Link to this contribution)

Let me just answer the hon. Lady’s other question. She asked about the funding formula review. Th...

Emily Thornberry | 602 c1417 (Link to this contribution)

As I understand it, the figure of £9.50 that I quoted was provided by the Daycare Trust. The Secr...

Baroness Morgan of Cotes | 602 c1418 (Link to this contribution)

The Bill is going to enter Committee and I am sure that there will be debates on this, but the ev...

Michelle Donelan | 602 c1418 (Link to this contribution)

The subject of councils siphoning off a bit of the money has been mentioned. That happens in Wilt...

Baroness Morgan of Cotes | 602 c1418 (Link to this contribution)

Part of the reason for having the funding formula review, which is part of the wider review of sc...

Julian Sturdy | 602 c1418 (Link to this contribution)

Is this new money going to be ring-fenced? I am a bit uncertain about that. I had assumed that it...

Baroness Morgan of Cotes | 602 cc1418-9 (Link to this contribution)

The money for childcare providers is paid to local authorities as part of something called the de...

Jess Phillips | 602 c1419 (Link to this contribution)

I welcome the news about before and after-school clubs. Will the Secretary of State guarantee tha...

Baroness Morgan of Cotes | 602 c1420 (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Lady sets out precisely the problem we are trying to solve. She and other parents at her...

Tristram Hunt | 602 c1420 (Link to this contribution)

I am delighted to see that the Government are trying to implement more Labour policy. The Secreta...

Baroness Morgan of Cotes | 602 c1420 (Link to this contribution)

First, the hon. Gentleman should be pleased the Conservative party is on the side of working peop...

Baroness Morgan of Cotes | 602 c1420 (Link to this contribution)

I will give way to the hon. Lady, for the last time.

Emily Thornberry | 602 c1420 (Link to this contribution)

I have a number of questions, but I will just stick to the money. When Labour was promising 25 ho...

Baroness Morgan of Cotes | 602 cc1420-2 (Link to this contribution)

Yet again, I do not agree with the hon. Lady’s figures. The point is that she is missing the addi...

Lucy Powell | 602 c1422 (Link to this contribution)

I rise to support the Second Reading of this Bill. Labour has a proud record on childcare, and on...

Michael Tomlinson | 602 c1422 (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Lady mentioned cuts to child tax credits in the last Parliament. Does she accept that it...

Lucy Powell | 602 cc1422-4 (Link to this contribution)

Most families under the Government’s plans for tax-free childcare will be eligible for support wi...

Lucy Frazer | 602 c1423 (Link to this contribution)

I am a little confused. There has been a review, which the hon. Lady will not yet have had an opp...

Lucy Powell | 602 cc1423-5 (Link to this contribution)

With respect, neither has the hon. Lady seen the review, and she misunderstands the nature of the...

Sam Gyimah | 602 c1425 (Link to this contribution)

The cost of childcare review that was undertaken by the Department over a period of six months ha...

Lucy Powell | 602 c1425 (Link to this contribution)

Of course I will look at it. Perhaps next time we are having a Second Reading debate where fundin...

Emily Thornberry | 602 c1425 (Link to this contribution)

Reference has been made to the cost of childcare review, and we have been told that 6,000 people ...

Emily Thornberry | 602 c1425 (Link to this contribution)

Yes, but it is taking a certain amount of time to print it off. Therefore, we have not been able ...

Lucy Powell | 602 cc1425-6 (Link to this contribution)

I do of course agree with my hon. Friend, who makes a very good point. This is all regardless of ...

Lucy Powell | 602 c1426 (Link to this contribution)

I would be happy if the hon. Gentleman had a childcare strategy; this is a very complex market th...

Maria Miller | 602 cc1426-8 (Link to this contribution)

Childcare is not a political football, and I really hope that the hon. Member for Manchester Cent...

Emily Thornberry | 602 c1428 (Link to this contribution)

From my study of the Blue Book, it seems that childcare will not be available to parents unless t...

Maria Miller | 602 cc1428-1430 (Link to this contribution)

I thank the hon. Lady for bringing that up. I am not about to have a Committee debate on the Floo...

Carol Monaghan | 602 cc1430-1 (Link to this contribution)

I speak as a former teacher with 20 years’ experience in education, so I will speak from a person...

Chloe Smith | 602 cc1431-4 (Link to this contribution)

I rise to give some reasons why I welcome the Bill. First, it goes to the heart of what I am sure...

Tristram Hunt | 602 c1434 (Link to this contribution)

It is a pleasure to follow the hon. Member for Norwich North (Chloe Smith).

As usual, the d...

Carol Monaghan | 602 c1434 (Link to this contribution)

Perhaps the hon. Gentleman does not realise that one of the routes to higher education in Scotlan...

Tristram Hunt | 602 cc1434-5 (Link to this contribution)

I do know that fact, but if I were an SNP representative I would certainly not defend its role in...

Sam Gyimah | 602 c1435 (Link to this contribution)

On our staff to child ratios, I can confirm to the House, and we have said so in the other place,...

Tristram Hunt | 602 c1435 (Link to this contribution)

I am delighted that this is probably the third or fourth U-turn of the day—it is hard to keep up—...

Sam Gyimah | 602 c1435 (Link to this contribution)

Is the hon. Gentleman aware that we are doubling the entitlement, but not necessarily the demand?...

Tristram Hunt | 602 cc1435-7 (Link to this contribution)

I am arguing not about reduction in quality, but for an improvement in it. I understand the point...

Chloe Smith | 602 c1437 (Link to this contribution)

Does that that suggest that there is a division?

Tristram Hunt | 602 c1437 (Link to this contribution)

No! We are all united in this House on the need for measures to help working families and raise m...

James Berry | 602 cc1437-8 (Link to this contribution)

It is a pleasure to follow the hon. Member for Stoke-on-Trent Central (Tristram Hunt). He says th...

Corri Wilson | 602 cc1438-9 (Link to this contribution)

The Under-Secretary of State for Education, Lord Nash, stated in the other place that this Govern...

Corri Wilson | 602 cc1439-1440 (Link to this contribution)

I want to make some progress, if the hon. Lady does not mind.

To truly focus unashamedly on...

Lucy Frazer | 602 c1440 (Link to this contribution)

This legislation is extremely welcome. One of the greatest barriers to re-entry into the workplac...

Carol Monaghan | 602 c1441 (Link to this contribution)

Surely the hon. Lady would agree that the very children she is talking about, who really need hel...

Lucy Frazer | 602 c1441 (Link to this contribution)

The Bill will enable two, three and four-year-olds to have the schooling they need. I welcome the...

Emily Thornberry | 602 cc1441-2 (Link to this contribution)

Providing more free childcare for working parents was supposed to be an easy win for the Governme...

Sam Gyimah | 602 c1442 (Link to this contribution)

I also take this very seriously. The enrolment rates for the first 15 hours are 96% for four-year...

Emily Thornberry | 602 c1442 (Link to this contribution)

Let me give the hon. Gentleman my view, which, again, is based on experience from my constituency...

Sam Gyimah | 602 c1442 (Link to this contribution)

As the Secretary of State said in her opening speech, as part of announcing this rate we will be ...

Emily Thornberry | 602 c1442 (Link to this contribution)

Again, that sounds great, but it does not make any sense. Does it mean that my local authority wi...

Sam Gyimah | 602 c1442 (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Lady is throwing out lots of numbers, but nobody has mentioned the £4.35 she has just th...

Emily Thornberry | 602 c1442 (Link to this contribution)

I would be interested to know whether the Minister regrets producing the document entitled “Cost ...

Lucy Powell | 602 c1443 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend is making some excellent points and scrutinising the Minister extremely well. She ...

Emily Thornberry | 602 c1443 (Link to this contribution)

I think that that is right, and there was a hint of that, I think, from the hon. and learned Memb...

Helen Goodman | 602 c1443 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend is making a very—

Sam Gyimah | 602 c1443 (Link to this contribution)

Mr Deputy Speaker, this is a novel—

Lindsay Hoyle | 602 c1443 (Link to this contribution)

Order. I am sorry. You are winding up the debate, so you will have a chance to come back to the h...

Helen Goodman | 602 c1443 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend is pointing out that, according to the Chancellor, to qualify for this free

...

Emily Thornberry | 602 c1444 (Link to this contribution)

The point is—[Interruption.] I am just pointing out that the Blue Book refers to

“a minimum...

Sam Gyimah | 602 c1444 (Link to this contribution)

The eligibility will be checked by HMRC, and it will be based on the actual income earned, so at ...

Emily Thornberry | 602 c1444 (Link to this contribution)

Is the Minister therefore saying that people do not need to be earning a minimum weekly income at...

Sam Gyimah | 602 c1444 (Link to this contribution)

The answer to the hon. Lady’s question is simple: a lone parent would have to earn £107 a week to...

Emily Thornberry | 602 cc1444-5 (Link to this contribution)

Therefore, someone who works 16 hours on the national minimum wage will not get 30 hours of child...

Sam Gyimah | 602 c1445 (Link to this contribution)

The first 15 hours of childcare is a universal offer that everyone receives. The income testing a...

Emily Thornberry | 602 cc1445-8 (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful to the Minister for making that clearer. Over the next few days I am sure that many...

Emily Thornberry | 602 c1448 (Link to this contribution)

I assure the hon. Gentleman that it was produced halfway through. We sent people to the Library t...

Pat Glass | 602 cc1448-1451 (Link to this contribution)

This has been a really good debate, with informative contributions from Members on both sides of ...

Sam Gyimah | 602 c1451 (Link to this contribution)

As I said very clearly, this is an income check. Irrespective of the number of hours someone work...

Pat Glass | 602 c1451 (Link to this contribution)

That means that those on low pay and short hours—mainly women—will be affected.

We have hea...

Sam Gyimah | 602 cc1451-2 (Link to this contribution)

Today is an exciting day for the childcare sector. At a time of austerity when we still have to w...

Lucy Powell | 602 c1452 (Link to this contribution)

Aside from the hourly rate, the bigger question that the Minister has been asked today is about t...

Lucy Powell | 602 c1452 (Link to this contribution)

Well, the Minister can work out the maths himself. I can help him if he likes.

Sam Gyimah | 602 cc1452-3 (Link to this contribution)

That point is completely irrelevant. The first 15 hours will be a universal offer. Every three an...

Lucy Powell | 602 c1453 (Link to this contribution)

I actually made the costings calculation myself at the last election. The discrepancy in the figu...

Sam Gyimah | 602 cc1453-4 (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Lady is absolutely right that fewer families will access the additional hours, particula...

Carol Monaghan | 602 c1454 (Link to this contribution)

Of course, we are talking about ambitious targets and the Minister is outlining his Government’s ...

Sam Gyimah | 602 cc1454-5 (Link to this contribution)

I am glad to say that in England we have ambitious targets, but also targets on which we are deli...

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