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English Votes for English Laws and North Wales

Debate on Wednesday, 1 July 2015, in the House of Commons, led by Albert Owen. The answering member was Therese Coffey.
Motion that this House has considered English votes for English laws and North Wales. Agreed to on question.
Type
Parliamentary proceeding
Reference
597 cc457-483WH 
Session
2015-16
Chamber / Committee
Westminster Hall
English Votes for English Laws and North Wales
Monday, 29 June 2015
Research briefings
Proceeding contributions
Albert Owen | 597 c457WH (Link to this contribution)

I beg to move,

That this House has considered English votes for English laws and North Wale...

Andrew Turner | 597 c457WH (Link to this contribution)

Will the hon. Gentleman explain whether there would be a separate House of Commons in a federal o...


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Albert Owen | 597 c457WH (Link to this contribution)

I appreciate that intervention from a fellow islander. I was in Jersey yesterday, watching the Is...

David Jones | 597 c458WH (Link to this contribution)

Is the hon. Gentleman acknowledging that the devolution settlement established in 1999—the creatu...

Albert Owen | 597 c458WH (Link to this contribution)

The call for devolution in the ’70s was so strong that there had to be a reaction to it from the ...

David Jones | 597 c458WH (Link to this contribution)

Yes, but did not the people of the north-east reject devolution to the English regions when it wa...

Albert Owen | 597 c458WH (Link to this contribution)

Obviously, that happened. If it had been done at the same time as the London Mayor, and perhaps a...

Susan Elan Jones | 597 c458WH (Link to this contribution)

This is an important subject. Does my hon. Friend agree that there are many types of devolution? ...

Albert Owen | 597 c458WH (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful for that intervention. I will develop my argument a little bit further, but my poin...

Antoinette Sandbach | 597 c458WH (Link to this contribution)

Of course, the reality is that the decisions of the Assembly have led to power being centralised ...

Albert Owen | 597 c459WH (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Lady was a North Wales Member of the Assembly. My criticism is not just about the instit...

David Jones | 597 c459WH (Link to this contribution)

I am extremely grateful to the hon. Gentleman, who is being very kind in giving way. While I agre...

Albert Owen | 597 c460WH (Link to this contribution)

I am trying to make a number of points, but I am being intervened on every couple of minutes; I a...

Jessica Morden | 597 c460WH (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend is making an excellent point about North Wales, but what he says is equally true o...

Albert Owen | 597 cc460-1WH (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend is absolutely right. This debate is about North Wales, but there are important iss...

James Gray | 597 c461WH (Link to this contribution)

Will the hon. Gentleman give way?

Albert Owen | 597 c461WH (Link to this contribution)

I will give way one more time, because I want to hear the English dimension on this issue. I know...

James Gray | 597 c461WH (Link to this contribution)

I speak as the person who was the shadow Secretary of State for Scotland for the shortest ever ti...

Albert Owen | 597 c461WH (Link to this contribution)

I understand why the hon. Gentleman makes that point, but I am talking about specialisms, not gen...

Lord Hanson of Flint | 597 c461WH (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Member for North Wiltshire (Mr Gray) makes a valid point about a frustration he faces, b...

Albert Owen | 597 cc461-2WH (Link to this contribution)

Other Members, if they catch your eye, Mr Crausby, will be able to give examples of using service...

David Crausby | 597 c462WH (Link to this contribution)

Order. I intend to call the first of the three Front-Bench speakers at 10.30 am, which gives us a...

Guto Bebb | 597 cc462-3WH (Link to this contribution)

It is a pleasure to serve under your chairmanship, Mr Crausby.

Four minutes is not a long t...

Ian Lucas | 597 c464WH (Link to this contribution)

Will the hon. Gentleman give way?

Guto Bebb | 597 c464WH (Link to this contribution)

I will take only one intervention, because of the time.

Guto Bebb | 597 c464WH (Link to this contribution)

That is a key point. We have to have some confidence in the ability of this House and Parliament ...

Guto Bebb | 597 c464WH (Link to this contribution)

In my view, it is clear that many Bills will be categorised as English and Welsh. In many cases, ...

Justin Madders | 597 cc464-5WH (Link to this contribution)

I speak today as an English MP elected for the first time only a few weeks ago. I have already di...

David Jones | 597 cc465-6WH (Link to this contribution)

It is a huge pleasure to serve under your chairmanship, Mr Crausby. I commend the hon. Member for...

Albert Owen | 597 c466WH (Link to this contribution)

I will be brief, as I have already spoken at some length. As Secretary of State for Wales, the ri...

David Jones | 597 c466WH (Link to this contribution)

I certainly believed in more devolution of taxing powers and was a firm advocate of that. The hon...

Kirsty Blackman | 597 cc466-7WH (Link to this contribution)

I appreciate the opportunity to speak in this Westminster Hall debate on English votes for Englis...

Antoinette Sandbach | 597 c467WH (Link to this contribution)

The problem with going through the courts is the endless delays. We saw that in Wales with the Su...

Kirsty Blackman | 597 c467WH (Link to this contribution)

The point is that the core process is there. We need a process of legal challenge. We need to all...

Kirsty Blackman | 597 cc467-8WH (Link to this contribution)

I will not, as I have only a short time remaining.

It would also be improper and unpreceden...

James Davies | 597 c468WH (Link to this contribution)

I congratulate the hon. Member for Ynys Môn (Albert Owen) on securing this debate. I represent a ...

Simon Hart | 597 c468WH (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend makes a valid point about constitutional matters being a sleeping pill for most of...

James Davies | 597 c468WH (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend is quite right: we must address those issues. I will come on to that point in a mi...

James Davies | 597 cc468-9WH (Link to this contribution)

And many of the staff live in Wales, of course. The services at those hospitals exist because of ...

Lord Hanson of Flint | 597 cc469-470WH (Link to this contribution)

I entered the Chamber this morning equal to every other Member attending the debate. I have been ...

David Jones | 597 c470WH (Link to this contribution)

Will the right hon. Gentleman give way?

Lord Hanson of Flint | 597 c470WH (Link to this contribution)

I only have a short time and I want to ask the key question: who decides what is a Welsh issue? U...

Lord Hanson of Flint | 597 c470WH (Link to this contribution)

Will I be able to undertake—[Interruption.] The answer to the question, as my hon. Friend said, i...

Antoinette Sandbach | 597 cc470-1WH (Link to this contribution)

Thank you, Mr Crausby, for calling me to speak. I am grateful to the hon. Member for Ynys Môn (Al...

Andrew Turner | 597 c471WH (Link to this contribution)

May I ask what the difference is between the system we are proposing and one that includes a long...

Antoinette Sandbach | 597 c472WH (Link to this contribution)

The short answer is that I do not know, but the last time there was a constitutional convention, ...

Mark Tami | 597 c472WH (Link to this contribution)

It is a pleasure to serve under your chairmanship, Mr Crausby. I thank my hon. Friend the Member ...

David Jones | 597 c472WH (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Gentleman speaks of short-termism. Does he not agree that the devolution settlement was ...

Mark Tami | 597 cc472-3WH (Link to this contribution)

I do not. The right hon. Gentleman is always blaming someone else. He and his party have been in ...

David Crausby | 597 c473WH (Link to this contribution)

Order. Two Members are indicating that they still wish to speak, and there is not much time left,...

Ian Lucas | 597 c473WH (Link to this contribution)

I will be brief, Mr Crausby. The definition of an English-only law is crucial to this debate. The...

Ian Lucas | 597 c473WH (Link to this contribution)

I do not have time to give way, as the hon. Gentleman well knows.

Not only has the Secretar...

David Crausby | 597 cc473-4WH (Link to this contribution)

I ask for a very short contribution from Paul Flynn.

10.30 am

Paul Flynn | 597 c474WH (Link to this contribution)

Devolution as given by the English nationalist party is a grudged gift. The party has never been ...

Pete Wishart | 597 c474WH (Link to this contribution)

It is a pleasure to serve under your chairmanship this morning, Mr Crausby. I congratulate the ho...

Pete Wishart | 597 cc474-5WH (Link to this contribution)

I am sorry, but I cannot give way, because I have to leave time for the Front Benchers.

Ins...

Andrew Turner | 597 c475WH (Link to this contribution)

Will the hon. Gentleman give way?

Pete Wishart | 597 c475WH (Link to this contribution)

I do not have time to take interventions.

It is important that we have a proper debate and ...

Andrew Turner | 597 c476WH (Link to this contribution)

Will the hon. Gentleman give way?

Pete Wishart | 597 c476WH (Link to this contribution)

I will not give way to the hon. Gentleman.

Andrew Turner | 597 c476WH (Link to this contribution)

Will the hon. Gentleman give way?

Pete Wishart | 597 c476WH (Link to this contribution)

Can he not hear? Is he incapable of hearing, Mr Crausby? [Interruption.]

David Crausby | 597 c476WH (Link to this contribution)

Order. The hon. Member for Perth and North Perthshire (Pete Wishart) is clearly not giving way.

Pete Wishart | 597 c476WH (Link to this contribution)

I will finish with what has happened over the past few days. I am sure that Members from Wales, a...

Pete Wishart | 597 cc476-7WH (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Gentleman is right. In the past few days, we have had the Scotland Bill and a series of ...

Nicholas Dakin | 597 cc477-8WH (Link to this contribution)

It is a pleasure to serve under your chairmanship, Mr Crausby. I congratulate my hon. Friend the ...

Albert Owen | 597 c478WH (Link to this contribution)

One of the best examples of the anomalies in the proposal was transport in London. Is that an Eng...

Nicholas Dakin | 597 c478WH (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend is right, and further devolution across England raises more such questions. That i...

David Jones | 597 c478WH (Link to this contribution)

I am glad that the hon. Gentleman has mentioned the hon. Member for Ellesmere Port and Neston, be...

Nicholas Dakin | 597 cc478-9WH (Link to this contribution)

The Wales Bill represents an opportunity to explore those issues. I did not hear my hon. Friend s...

Therese Coffey | 597 c480WH (Link to this contribution)

Diolch yn fawr, Mr Crausby. I congratulate the hon. Member for Ynys Môn (Albert Owen)on securing ...

Therese Coffey | 597 cc480-1WH (Link to this contribution)

I shall address some points that have been raised in the debate. If I have time at the end, the h...

Therese Coffey | 597 cc481-2WH (Link to this contribution)

I will take interventions in a bit, including from the hon. Gentleman.

I hope that the hon....

Ian Lucas | 597 c482WH (Link to this contribution)

Does the Minister find it extraordinary that she is calling in aid a nationalist approach to legi...

Therese Coffey | 597 c482WH (Link to this contribution)

I disagree with the hon. Gentleman; I do not see this as a nationalist proposal. Devolution is no...

Therese Coffey | 597 c482WH (Link to this contribution)

Let me just finish addressing the issues that have been raised. I should point out that the Speak...

Therese Coffey | 597 c482WH (Link to this contribution)

I will take an intervention from my right hon. Friend the Member for Clwyd West.

David Jones | 597 c482WH (Link to this contribution)

The Minister speaks of an imbalance, and I fully understand that procedural changes are necessary...

Therese Coffey | 597 c482WH (Link to this contribution)

My right hon. Friend will have the opportunity to make that point as and when the Wales Bill is d...

Therese Coffey | 597 c483WH (Link to this contribution)

I am short of time—I literally have less than a minute—so I will not be able to.

The right ...

Albert Owen | 597 c483WH (Link to this contribution)

I do not think the English question has been answered, and the North Wales question has certainly...

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