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Francis Report

Debate on Wednesday, 5 March 2014, in the House of Commons, led by Jeremy Hunt. The answering members were Dan Poulter, Andy Burnham and Liz Kendall.
Motion that this House has considered the matter of the Francis Report. Agreed to on question.
Type
Parliamentary proceeding
Reference
576 cc1015-991 
Session
2013-14
Chamber / Committee
House of Commons chamber
After Francis: making a difference. Health Committee third report with formal minutes.
Tuesday, 10 September 2013
Parliamentary committees
House of Commons
Government Response to the Third Report from the Health Committee, Session 2013–14, on After Francis: making a difference
Tuesday, 19 November 2013
Command papers
House of Lords
House of Commons
Proceeding contributions
Jeremy Hunt | 576 c907 (Link to this contribution)

I beg to move,

That this House has considered the matter of the Francis Report: One year on...

John Redwood | 576 c907 (Link to this contribution)

I admire what my right hon. Friend is doing to get a new culture of honesty in the NHS. Does he t...


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Jeremy Hunt | 576 cc907-8 (Link to this contribution)

The truth is that the process takes time, and there are still examples of where candour is lackin...

Andrew George | 576 c908 (Link to this contribution)

I welcome the important steps in the right direction that have been taken with regard to recordin...

Jeremy Hunt | 576 c908 (Link to this contribution)

Yes, it is. I will come on to that, but we are making good progress with the pilots.

George Freeman | 576 c908 (Link to this contribution)

Does the Secretary of State agree that it is important to remember

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Jeremy Hunt | 576 c909 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend is, as ever, absolutely right on this issue, which he has spoken about a great dea...

Chris Bryant | 576 c909 (Link to this contribution)

This point does not quite follow on from what the Secretary of State is saying, but I spent all d...

Jeremy Hunt | 576 c909 (Link to this contribution)

As the hon. Gentleman knows, I used to be responsible for sport in this country, so I take a grea...

Mark Harper | 576 c909 (Link to this contribution)

From listening carefully to my right hon. Friend’s remarks, I noticed that he referred to England...

Jeremy Hunt | 576 cc909-911 (Link to this contribution)

I am concerned about that on a number of levels, but I can reassure my hon. Friend that I have ta...

William Cash | 576 c912 (Link to this contribution)

May I reiterate what my right hon. Friend has said about the absolute point-blank refusal, repeat...

Jeremy Hunt | 576 c912 (Link to this contribution)

We are about to hear from the shadow Health Secretary who will have the chance to put things righ...

Jim Shannon | 576 c912 (Link to this contribution)

Will the Secretary of State give way?

Jeremy Hunt | 576 c912 (Link to this contribution)

No, I am about to conclude. This afternoon it falls to this House of Commons to stand four-square...

Andy Burnham | 576 c912 (Link to this contribution)

This debate is a welcome opportunity to review progress on the Francis report one year after its ...

Andy Burnham | 576 cc912-3 (Link to this contribution)

I want to make some points at the beginning and then I will give way to the Secretary of State.

Jeremy Hunt | 576 c913 (Link to this contribution)

I agree with the right hon. Gentleman that his predecessors deserve credit for introducing an ins...

Andy Burnham | 576 cc913-4 (Link to this contribution)

It is no good coming all holier than thou and claiming a counsel of perfection from the Governmen...

Grahame Morris | 576 c914 (Link to this contribution)

Does my hon. Friend also recognise the growing problems in the mental health sector, as illustrat...

Andy Burnham | 576 c914 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend anticipates me, as I will come on to that subject. My point that the NHS has gone ...

Alun Cairns | 576 c914 (Link to this contribution)

Will the right hon. Gentleman give way?

Andy Burnham | 576 c914 (Link to this contribution)

In a moment.

On all measures, this winter has been just as bad as the last, with some patie...

Jeremy Hunt | 576 c914 (Link to this contribution)

As it happens, waiting times for A and E departments are now half what they were when the right h...

Andy Burnham | 576 c914 (Link to this contribution)

Pressure on hospitals, and how we relieve it so that they can care for people properly, is the co...

Baroness Keeley | 576 c915 (Link to this contribution)

We have an excellent hospital in Salford—it is one of the best in the country—but we also have 1,...

Andy Burnham | 576 c915 (Link to this contribution)

I hope that the Secretary of State was listening to my hon. Friend. The point I was making—he did...

Alex Cunningham | 576 c915 (Link to this contribution)

I agree that this is a debate about the whole NHS, and the 111 service is failing people. On Satu...

Andy Burnham | 576 c915 (Link to this contribution)

That is the problem. The Government’s focus is on hospitals. All the while, alternatives to A and...

Robert Flello | 576 c915 (Link to this contribution)

Constituents across the country will be really concerned that the Secretary of State was shaking ...

Andy Burnham | 576 c916 (Link to this contribution)

That is what I am saying: A and E is the barometer of the whole system. If there is pressure anyw...

Mark Harper | 576 c916 (Link to this contribution)

The NHS in Wales is relevant. Thousands of constituents in England have to use the NHS in Wales—t...

Andy Burnham | 576 cc916-7 (Link to this contribution)

I, as part of the previous Government, left the lowest waiting times in the history of the NHS, a...

George Freeman | 576 c917 (Link to this contribution)

On a point of order, Madam Deputy Speaker. I came to have a debate on the Francis report. The sha...

Baroness Primarolo | 576 c917 (Link to this contribution)

Frankly, that is my business and I do not require any help to decide what is in order. The shadow...

Andy Burnham | 576 c918 (Link to this contribution)

It is interesting that Government Members do not like it, but this is the reality in the NHS righ...

William Cash | 576 c918 (Link to this contribution)

Just to put the record straight and to give the shadow Secretary of State the opportunity to rect...

Andy Burnham | 576 c918 (Link to this contribution)

I am pleased that the hon. Gentleman has acknowledged that it was I who appointed Robert Francis ...

Steve Rotheram | 576 c918 (Link to this contribution)

As my right hon. Friend knows, my wife is a community psychiatric nurse who sees mental health se...

Andy Burnham | 576 c918 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend is right: it is the poor relation which has always been on the fringes of the syst...

Andrew George | 576 c918 (Link to this contribution)

As the right hon. Gentleman knows, I was critical of the last Labour Government for rather bizarr...

Andy Burnham | 576 cc919-920 (Link to this contribution)

I do support that campaign, because I think that we need transparency so that local people can se...

Rosie Cooper | 576 c920 (Link to this contribution)

What with NHS England, the NHS Trust Development Authority, the Care Quality Commission, Monitor,...

Andy Burnham | 576 c920 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend has raised an important point. People are confused about the new NHS, and confused...

George Freeman | 576 c920 (Link to this contribution)

Will the right hon. Gentleman give way?

Andy Burnham | 576 cc920-1 (Link to this contribution)

Time is against us, I am afraid.

The Secretary of State is wrong if he thinks that top-down...

Phillip Lee | 576 c921 (Link to this contribution)

The right hon. Gentleman has alluded to the sustainability of district hospitals. In the light of...

Andy Burnham | 576 cc921-2 (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Gentleman makes a very important call, and I think he is right: hospitals are going to h...

Jeremy Lefroy | 576 cc922-3 (Link to this contribution)

I was told by a senior member of the medical profession that the two Francis inquiries were the m...

George Freeman | 576 c923 (Link to this contribution)

Does my hon. Friend agree that one of the most shameful episodes highlighted by the Francis repor...

Jeremy Lefroy | 576 cc923-4 (Link to this contribution)

I agree. The treatment of whistleblowers has been a disgrace, not just at Mid Staffs but in many ...

William Cash | 576 c924 (Link to this contribution)

Does my hon. Friend accept that it is clearly stated in the prime ministerial guidelines of 2005 ...

Jeremy Lefroy | 576 c925 (Link to this contribution)

I thank my hon. Friend for that intervention and for all the work he has done on this issue. It i...

Kate Green | 576 c925 (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful to the hon. Gentleman for mentioning that point. Does he agree that an important ta...

Jeremy Lefroy | 576 cc925-6 (Link to this contribution)

I thank the hon. Lady for her intervention, but that task is probably beyond my competence. I agr...

Robert Flello | 576 c926 (Link to this contribution)

I pay tribute to the hon. Gentleman and the hon. Member for Stone (Mr Cash) for the work they hav...

Jeremy Lefroy | 576 cc926-7 (Link to this contribution)

I am most grateful to the hon. Gentleman, to all the Stoke-on-Trent MPs and to the hon. Member fo...

Tony Baldry | 576 c927 (Link to this contribution)

On the proposed reorganisation of services in Staffordshire, what is the role of the clinical com...

Jeremy Lefroy | 576 cc927-8 (Link to this contribution)

My right hon. Friend makes an extremely important point. Indeed, the clinical commissioning group...

Andrew Griffiths | 576 c928 (Link to this contribution)

I thank my hon. Friend and neighbour for giving way, and I commend him for his work on this issue...

Jeremy Lefroy | 576 cc928-9 (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful to my hon. Friend for making that point, which is one of the things that needs to b...

Ann Clwyd | 576 cc929-930 (Link to this contribution)

I congratulate the hon. Member for Stafford (Jeremy Lefroy) on his eloquent presentation. The Fra...

Alun Cairns | 576 c930 (Link to this contribution)

I pay tribute to the right hon. Lady for her work in championing patients and in drawing attentio...

Ann Clwyd | 576 cc930-1 (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful to Professor Sir Bruce Keogh for offering to assist. Given his vast experience, the...

George Freeman | 576 c931 (Link to this contribution)

The right hon. Lady is a doughty campaigner and commands the respect of the whole House for her w...

Ann Clwyd | 576 cc932-3 (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful to the hon. Gentleman for making that point. In the report that I wrote with Tricia...

Aidan Burley | 576 c933 (Link to this contribution)

It is a pleasure to follow the right hon. Member for Cynon Valley (Ann Clwyd). I, too, pay tribut...

Andy Burnham | 576 c933 (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful to the hon. Gentleman for giving way so early in his speech, to which I am listenin...

Aidan Burley | 576 cc933-5 (Link to this contribution)

The right hon. Gentleman asks a number of questions. I am still not clear about his position and ...

William Cash | 576 c935 (Link to this contribution)

Does my hon. Friend recall—it might be difficult for him as he was not a Member of the House at t...

Aidan Burley | 576 cc935-6 (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful to my hon. Friend, who has a longer history in this House than I do, and indeed a l...

Joan Walley | 576 c936 (Link to this contribution)

This debate, which is taking place 12 months after the publication of the Francis report, is long...

William Cash | 576 c936 (Link to this contribution)

I endorse what the hon. Lady says. I think that I had to call 15 times for the report to be debat...

Joan Walley | 576 c936 (Link to this contribution)

I think that there has been an extraordinary degree of cross-party support from all Staffordshire...

Robert Flello | 576 c936 (Link to this contribution)

If I understand the situation correctly, the previous Member for Stafford was lied to when he tri...

Joan Walley | 576 c936 (Link to this contribution)

That encapsulates the problem of Members of Parliament trying to get to the bottom of what is hap...

William Cash | 576 c937 (Link to this contribution)

Does the hon. Lady accept that one great problem that beset the whole Stafford tragedy was the fa...

Joan Walley | 576 cc937-8 (Link to this contribution)

It may surprise the hon. Gentleman to know that I agree with him, and that the target culture has...

Robert Flello | 576 c938 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend is being generous with her time. There is an issue, which the hon. Member for Cann...

Joan Walley | 576 c938 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend makes a good point, and I see nods on both sides of the House. We have a tariff sy...

Jeremy Lefroy | 576 c938 (Link to this contribution)

Does the hon. Lady agree that there is a serious problem with acute tariffs that have generally b...

Joan Walley | 576 c938 (Link to this contribution)

I agree, and in the many meetings that north Staffordshire MPs have had with the University Hospi...

Paul Farrelly | 576 c938 (Link to this contribution)

I am sorry that I could not be here at the beginning of the debate because of other commitments. ...

Joan Walley | 576 c939 (Link to this contribution)

I am conscious that many hon. Members want to speak. My hon. Friend has pre-empted two points tha...

Tony Baldry | 576 c939 (Link to this contribution)

Will the hon. Lady kindly explain to those of us who are not Staffordshire colleagues what the re...

Joan Walley | 576 cc939-940 (Link to this contribution)

It was suggested earlier that we might need a special debate, at length, solely on the trust spec...

Paul Farrelly | 576 c940 (Link to this contribution)

Does my hon. Friend agree that the Francis report is all about patient safety? What happened at S...

Joan Walley | 576 c941 (Link to this contribution)

I agree that the Francis report is absolutely about patient safety. It is also about financial vi...

Baroness Primarolo | 576 c941 (Link to this contribution)

Order. Before I call the next speaker, although this debate is due to run until 7 pm and obviousl...

Paul Burstow | 576 cc941-2 (Link to this contribution)

I will certainly watch the clock very carefully, Madam Deputy Speaker.

I want to pick up on...

Paul Farrelly | 576 c942 (Link to this contribution)

Will the right hon. Gentleman give way?

Paul Burstow | 576 c942 (Link to this contribution)

I cannot, because of what Madam Deputy Speaker has said.

My main point is about mental heal...

Paul Burstow | 576 c943 (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful to the Minister for correcting the record from a sedentary position.

There we...

Norman Lamb | 576 c943 (Link to this contribution)

I just want to alert my right hon. Friend to the fact that David Nicholson, the chief executive o...

Paul Burstow | 576 cc943-4 (Link to this contribution)

I very much welcome that and what the Minister says.

The reason I have raised issues about ...

Jonathan Reynolds | 576 cc944-5 (Link to this contribution)

I will focus on the impact of the Francis report on my local hospital in Tameside.

Tameside...

Andrew Gwynne | 576 c945 (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful to my hon. Friend for setting out the case. Does he share my confidence that the ho...

Jonathan Reynolds | 576 cc945-6 (Link to this contribution)

I endorse those comments entirely and thank my hon. Friend for his contribution. The negative att...

William Cash | 576 cc946-7 (Link to this contribution)

It is quite difficult at this stage in the saga—the tragedy—of Stafford hospital to recall how it...

Jeremy Hunt | 576 c947 (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful to my hon. Friend for his generous comments. While he is paying tribute to people w...

William Cash | 576 cc948-9 (Link to this contribution)

I am extremely glad that my right hon. Friend has made that point. The zero-harm policy is so imp...

Joan Walley | 576 c949 (Link to this contribution)

Does the hon. Gentleman agree that there could be some inconsistency between those two conflictin...

William Cash | 576 c949 (Link to this contribution)

That point will have been taken on board by the Secretary of State, who is in his place. One of t...

Joan Walley | 576 c949 (Link to this contribution)

In that case, I wonder whether the hon. Gentleman would like to invite the Secretary of State to ...

William Cash | 576 c949 (Link to this contribution)

I shall not engage in a vicarious ping-pong match with the hon. Lady. The point has been made and...

Paul Farrelly | 576 cc949-950 (Link to this contribution)

I pay tribute to the hon. Gentleman for his persistence, and to the work of the hon. Member for S...

William Cash | 576 c950 (Link to this contribution)

I am concerned that there should be a maximum degree of co-operation and collaboration, and perce...

Baroness Keeley | 576 cc950-3 (Link to this contribution)

I want to talk about the Francis report, which detailed failures that were a betrayal of NHS valu...

Jim Shannon | 576 c952 (Link to this contribution)

The Francis report makes some recommendations on mental health, which is in the social care categ...

Baroness Keeley | 576 cc952-4 (Link to this contribution)

Indeed, and our most recent inquiries in the Health Committee are about mental health issues. The...

Baroness Keeley | 576 c954 (Link to this contribution)

I would prefer not to. That money could and should have been spent on improving staffing, particu...

Baroness Keeley | 576 c954 (Link to this contribution)

No, I do not have time.

Given that situation, we have to learn that precious NHS resources ...

Alun Cairns | 576 cc954-7 (Link to this contribution)

Thank you for calling me to contribute to this debate, Mr Speaker. I am sorry that the shadow Hea...

Kevin Barron | 576 cc957-960 (Link to this contribution)

I reread the executive summary of the Francis report yesterday when I was on a train journey, and...

Baroness Keeley | 576 c960 (Link to this contribution)

I wonder whether my right hon. Friend has had similar cases to a difficult one that I had for mon...

Kevin Barron | 576 c960 (Link to this contribution)

I agree entirely. The system is defensive and people do not get a satisfactory response, but the ...

Tony Baldry | 576 cc960-4 (Link to this contribution)

It is a great pleasure to follow the right hon. Member for Rother Valley (Kevin Barron) who has c...

Mike Kane | 576 cc964-6 (Link to this contribution)

Aneurin Bevan’s father died in his arms from coal dust disease, and that drove his passion to est...

Bernard Jenkin | 576 c965 (Link to this contribution)

I believe that the Francis report is becoming a major turning point in the life of our national h...

Jeremy Lefroy | 576 c965 (Link to this contribution)

Will my hon. Friend share his reaction to the news that the parliamentary and health service ombu...

Bernard Jenkin | 576 cc965-9 (Link to this contribution)

Yes, I welcome that. My Committee works closely with the PHSO, Dame Julie Mellor. I paid a visit ...

Sarah Champion | 576 cc968-971 (Link to this contribution)

I welcome this debate because it has given us an opportunity to reflect, to learn and, hopefully,...

Grahame Morris | 576 c971 (Link to this contribution)

I am honoured to be able to participate in this debate, and it is champion to follow my hon. Frie...

Grahame Morris | 576 cc971-2 (Link to this contribution)

Thank you very much, Bob.

I want to make three points. First, I want to consider the contex...

Bob Stewart | 576 c972 (Link to this contribution)

I’ll intervene on that point.

Grahame Morris | 576 c972 (Link to this contribution)

Well, that’s very kind of the hon. Gentleman.

Lindsay Hoyle | 576 c972 (Link to this contribution)

Order. The hon. Member for Beckenham has only just come in. He perhaps ought to hear a little bit...

Grahame Morris | 576 cc972-5 (Link to this contribution)

We should remember that most hospitals provide very high standards of care, and have dedicated an...

Lindsay Hoyle | 576 c975 (Link to this contribution)

I now have to announce the result of Divisions deferred from a previous day.

On the motion ...

Alex Cunningham | 576 cc975-8 (Link to this contribution)

Thank you, Mr Deputy Speaker. It is an especial pleasure to follow my near neighbour in the north...

Peter Bottomley | 576 cc977-980 (Link to this contribution)

It is 10 years after the trust lost its three-star rating and went down to zero. It is nine years...

Liz Kendall | 576 c980 (Link to this contribution)

It is a pleasure to speak in this important debate. Members on both sides of the House have shown...

Liz Kendall | 576 c981 (Link to this contribution)

I will give way to the hon. Gentleman this one time.

Alun Cairns | 576 c981 (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful to the hon. Lady for giving way, unlike her colleague earlier. In the spirit with w...

Liz Kendall | 576 cc981-3 (Link to this contribution)

Wherever there is evidence of poor care, it must be looked into. The hon. Gentleman did not menti...

Grahame Morris | 576 c983 (Link to this contribution)

This is more pervasive than something that happens at the highest level. When members of my trade...

Liz Kendall | 576 cc983-4 (Link to this contribution)

This is not leadership; this is not what we want in our health service.

Real leadership is ...

Dan Poulter | 576 cc984-5 (Link to this contribution)

The publication of the Francis report was an incredibly humbling day for our national health serv...

Paul Burstow | 576 c985 (Link to this contribution)

Through the Minister, may I pose a question to my hon. Friend the Minister of State who has respo...

Dan Poulter | 576 c985 (Link to this contribution)

My right hon. Friend is absolutely right to say that the first step in addressing financial disin...

Andy Burnham | 576 c986 (Link to this contribution)

I thoroughly agree with the Minister about collecting data on mental health so that we can make p...

Dan Poulter | 576 c986 (Link to this contribution)

It is very difficult for me to stand at the Dispatch Box and take any lessons from the right hon....

Joan Walley | 576 c987 (Link to this contribution)

I have listened carefully to the Minister’s response to the various contributions that have been ...

Dan Poulter | 576 c987 (Link to this contribution)

Again, I will not deviate from the general theme of the debate and try your patience, Mr Deputy S...

Dan Poulter | 576 c987 (Link to this contribution)

I have given a very helpful reply to the hon. Lady, but I will give way once more.

Joan Walley | 576 c987 (Link to this contribution)

I say to the Minister and the Secretary of State that the use of the phrase “in due course” cause...

Dan Poulter | 576 cc987-8 (Link to this contribution)

We are leading by example. As I outlined, the Secretary of State has accepted the TSA recommendat...

Dan Poulter | 576 cc988-9 (Link to this contribution)

The right hon. Gentleman might wish to intervene in a moment, but first I will respond to his goo...

Kevin Barron | 576 c989 (Link to this contribution)

Will the Minister consider what I said about how an independent statutory commissioner could exam...

Dan Poulter | 576 cc989-990 (Link to this contribution)

I will talk about complaints a little later, but the right hon. Gentleman has made some important...

Bernard Jenkin | 576 c990 (Link to this contribution)

The Minister is outlining the legislative and regulatory changes that arise from the Francis repo...

Dan Poulter | 576 cc990-1 (Link to this contribution)

I am not sure whether my hon. Friend has seen my brief, but that was exactly the point I was comi...

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