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Local Audit and Accountability Bill

Debate on bills on Tuesday, 17 December 2013, in the House of Commons, led by Brandon Lewis. The answering member was Hilary Benn.
Report stage. New clause 1, discussed with new clauses 2 and 4 to 6, debated and withdrawn. Some amendments made. Third reading. Agreed to on question. Bill passed, with amendments.
Type
Parliamentary proceeding
Reference
572 cc644-710 
Session
2013-14
Legislative stage
Third reading and Report stage
Procedure
New clauses
Chamber / Committee
House of Commons chamber
Proceeding contributions
Andy Sawford | 572 c645 (Link to this contribution)

I beg to move, That the clause be read a Second time.

Lindsay Hoyle | 572 cc645-6 (Link to this contribution)

With this it will be convenient to discuss the following:

New clause 2—Transparency of audi...


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Andy Sawford | 572 cc646-9 (Link to this contribution)

I shall speak to new clauses 1 and 2.

This is a better Bill for the scrutiny that it has re...

Annette Brooke | 572 c649 (Link to this contribution)

I appreciate the general points that the hon. Gentleman is making, but does he agree that the dem...

Andy Sawford | 572 cc650-4 (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Lady makes an interesting and important point. I should perhaps declare an interest as a...

John McDonnell | 572 cc652-8 (Link to this contribution)

I wish to speak to new clauses 4 to 6, which stand in my name, and, without wanting to stray from...

Alex Cunningham | 572 cc655-660 (Link to this contribution)

I am pleased to have the opportunity to speak in support of new clause 2, which would add a consi...

James Morris | 572 c660 (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Gentleman seems to be talking about large private companies. Subsection (4) of new claus...

Alex Cunningham | 572 cc660-1 (Link to this contribution)

No, I am not. As my hon. Friend the Member for Corby (Andy Sawford) said in opening the debate, t...

Chris Williamson | 572 cc661-2 (Link to this contribution)

I rise to support the shadow Minister, my hon. Friend the Member for Corby (Andy Sawford), on new...

Lindsay Hoyle | 572 c662 (Link to this contribution)

Order. As interesting as this may be, we are discussing audit. I know that the subject of Dame Sh...

Chris Williamson | 572 cc662-3 (Link to this contribution)

Indeed I am, Mr Deputy Speaker, and I am grateful for your guidance. I was just about to conclude...

James Morris | 572 c663 (Link to this contribution)

Will the hon. Gentleman clarify the meaning of proposed subsection (1) of new clause 2? It states...

Chris Williamson | 572 c663 (Link to this contribution)

It means documents relating to the contracts under which companies are working for the local auth...

Andy Sawford | 572 c663 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend is right in his interpretation of the new clause. Clause 26 on the inspection of d...

Chris Williamson | 572 c663 (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful to my hon. Friend for that clarification. I hope that provides the reassurance Gove...

Brandon Lewis | 572 cc664-5 (Link to this contribution)

I will respond first to the new clauses tabled by the hon. Member for Corby (Andy Sawford) before...

Chris Williamson | 572 c665 (Link to this contribution)

Does the Minister agree that perception is important, and that by not subjecting private sector a...

Brandon Lewis | 572 c665 (Link to this contribution)

What is important—I think this is what the hon. Gentleman was trying to say in a roundabout way—i...

Clive Betts | 572 c665 (Link to this contribution)

I have heard what the Minister has said about transparency of contracts, but is he saying that if...

Brandon Lewis | 572 c666 (Link to this contribution)

It is not for me to prejudge a contract that a local authority might agree to, but it is true tha...

Clive Betts | 572 c666 (Link to this contribution)

That has not answered my question—I was not asking what local authorities should do. If a local a...

Brandon Lewis | 572 c666 (Link to this contribution)

In principle, yes, but it is not for me to prejudge how a local authority would contract. If it c...

Chris Williamson | 572 c666 (Link to this contribution)

That response is instructive. I think the Minister is saying that in certain circumstances that i...

572 c666 (Link to this contribution)

Will the hon. Gentleman give way?

Lindsay Hoyle | 572 c666 (Link to this contribution)

Order. Interventions need to be shorter, but I certainly do not need instruction from Back Benche...

Brandon Lewis | 572 c666 (Link to this contribution)

As I said, the Freedom of Information Act applies to local authorities, but we are not extending ...

Clive Betts | 572 c666 (Link to this contribution)

On a point of clarification, will the guidance apply to subcontractors as well as contractors? In...

Brandon Lewis | 572 cc667-9 (Link to this contribution)

I will not prejudge the guidance before we publish it, but I am sure that the hon. Gentleman, if ...

John McDonnell | 572 c668 (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful to the Minister for that information and for his offer of co-operation. Does he hav...

Brandon Lewis | 572 cc668-670 (Link to this contribution)

I cannot give the hon. Gentleman those figures off the top of my head, but I will come back to hi...

John McDonnell | 572 c670 (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful for that information, but may I suggest that that review of whistleblowing should p...

Brandon Lewis | 572 cc670-2 (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Gentleman makes a fair point, and he will appreciate that it is now noted and on record....

Andy Sawford | 572 c671 (Link to this contribution)

Thank you, Madam Deputy Speaker, for allowing me a moment to reply.

The amendments, particu...

Andy Sawford | 572 c673 (Link to this contribution)

I beg to move amendment 14, page 26, line 11, leave out

‘one or more specified local author...

Baroness Primarolo | 572 c673 (Link to this contribution)

With this it will be convenient to discuss the following:

Amendment 15, page 26, line 25, l...

Andy Sawford | 572 cc673-7 (Link to this contribution)

Clause 39, to which the three amendments relate, includes provisions on local authority publicity...

Clive Betts | 572 c675 (Link to this contribution)

Three years ago, the Select Committee conducted an inquiry into the whole issue of local authorit...

Andy Sawford | 572 cc675-8 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend, who chairs the Select Committee, is right. I think that there is often a compleme...

Andrew Griffiths | 572 c678 (Link to this contribution)

I listened to much of what the hon. Gentleman said in Committee and followed his train of argumen...

Andy Sawford | 572 c678 (Link to this contribution)

I am surprised that the hon. Gentleman did not pick this up during our three Committee sittings o...

Andy Sawford | 572 c678 (Link to this contribution)

I am going to make some progress, because the hon. Gentleman spoke extensively on these provision...

John McDonnell | 572 cc678-9 (Link to this contribution)

This is barmy. It is absolutely crackers that we are spending parliamentary time on this matter. ...

Chris Williamson | 572 cc679-680 (Link to this contribution)

I rise to speak against this Orwellian clause and in favour of the amendment tabled by my hon. Fr...

Chris Heaton-Harris | 572 c680 (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Gentleman is making some cogent points. If that photograph had appeared on a Member of P...

Chris Williamson | 572 c681 (Link to this contribution)

With the greatest of respect, I think the hon. Gentleman is talking through his hat. I am not sur...

John McDonnell | 572 c681 (Link to this contribution)

I am the secretary of the National Union of Journalists group in Parliament. There needs to be a ...

Chris Williamson | 572 c682 (Link to this contribution)

Indeed. There is a happy partnership between many local authorities and the newspaper in their lo...

Alex Cunningham | 572 cc682-6 (Link to this contribution)

I rise to support amendments 14 to 16. Nothing is more likely to get the blood rising in the body...

Brandon Lewis | 572 c685 (Link to this contribution)

First, let me be clear that good communication between a local authority and the public is import...

Andy Sawford | 572 c685 (Link to this contribution)

The Minister is right to say that the code seeks to prevent using money on things that are politi...

Brandon Lewis | 572 cc685-7 (Link to this contribution)

I suspect that deep down inside, the hon. Gentleman—we almost became hon. Friends in Committee—pr...

Alex Cunningham | 572 c687 (Link to this contribution)

Will the Minister tell us the name of one newspaper group that has approached the Department to c...

Brandon Lewis | 572 c687 (Link to this contribution)

I suggest that the hon. Gentleman looks at Hansard for the reports of our proceedings in Committe...

Brandon Lewis | 572 cc687-8 (Link to this contribution)

No, I shall make a little progress. The hon. Gentleman was keen to make progress during his speec...

Alex Cunningham | 572 c688 (Link to this contribution)

The Minister is making some sweeping comments. I would be interested to know whether he can tell ...

Brandon Lewis | 572 c688 (Link to this contribution)

I am sure that the hon. Gentleman will have done his homework and will realise that for the Gover...

Andy Sawford | 572 cc688-9 (Link to this contribution)

What a shocking response. We will not press amendments 14 and 16, but we will press amendment 15 ...

Baroness Primarolo | 572 c689 (Link to this contribution)

We now come to the next group of amendments. The hon. Member for North East Cambridgeshire (Steph...

Brandon Lewis | 572 c693 (Link to this contribution)

I beg to move amendment 6, page 30, line 32, at end insert—

‘(13A) Subsections (14) to (16)...

Baroness Primarolo | 572 c693 (Link to this contribution)

With this it will be convenient to discuss the following:

Government amendments 7 and 8.

Brandon Lewis | 572 cc693-4 (Link to this contribution)

Our amendments are precautionary measures to remove the risk of local authority budgeting being a...

Andy Sawford | 572 c694 (Link to this contribution)

Our amendment 18 would give the Secretary of State some discretion to prevent any unintended cons...

Huw Irranca-Davies | 572 c694 (Link to this contribution)

It strikes me that the same argument could apply, in principle and in practice, to the internal d...

Andy Sawford | 572 cc694-6 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend is absolutely right. This group of amendments on levies would have significant imp...

Huw Irranca-Davies | 572 c696 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend illustrates the point very well. It is only a couple of years ago that we had exte...

Andy Sawford | 572 cc696-7 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend has considerable expertise in this and he is right. If a drainage board needed to ...

Brandon Lewis | 572 c697 (Link to this contribution)

Before dealing with amendment 18, let me touch on the issue of internal drainage boards, which so...

Andy Sawford | 572 c697 (Link to this contribution)

I understand the Minister’s point, which he made in Committee. It is a fair point, but does he ac...

Brandon Lewis | 572 cc697-8 (Link to this contribution)

I will come on to that very point in a few seconds.

I have to say that there is no basis fo...

Huw Irranca-Davies | 572 c698 (Link to this contribution)

I am listening carefully to the Minister and I am genuinely probing because this is a matter of c...

Brandon Lewis | 572 c698 (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Gentleman makes a cogent point. My constituency of Great Yarmouth has been heavily affec...

Brandon Lewis | 572 cc698-9 (Link to this contribution)

I want to make some progress, but I am happy to talk to the hon. Gentleman further about Bellwin....

Brandon Lewis | 572 cc704-6 (Link to this contribution)

I beg to move, That the Bill be now read the Third time.

Let me begin by thanking the membe...

Hilary Benn | 572 cc706-8 (Link to this contribution)

The Bill certainly has generated a great deal of debate—more, I suspect, than either the Minister...

Brandon Lewis | 572 c707 (Link to this contribution)

I appreciate the right hon. Gentleman giving way at this stage, when I would not normally seek to...

Hilary Benn | 572 cc707-9 (Link to this contribution)

Absolutely, but the problem with the clause is that they cannot publish any more than that. If th...

Annette Brooke | 572 cc709-710 (Link to this contribution)

I thank my right hon. Friend the Member for Hazel Grove (Sir Andrew Stunell) and my hon. Friend t...

Neil Carmichael | 572 c710 (Link to this contribution)

I served on the Bill Committee and thoroughly enjoyed it. I thank everyone else who served on the...

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