UK Parliament / Open data

Local Audit and Accountability Bill [Lords]

Debate on bills on Monday, 28 October 2013, in the House of Commons, led by Lord Pickles. The answering member was Hilary Benn.
Second reading. Agreed to on question. Programme motion on proceedings in Public Bill Committee, on consideration and third reading and on other proceedings. Agreed to on question. Money resolution, agreed to on question. Ways and means resolution, agreed to on question.
Type
Parliamentary proceeding
Reference
569 cc677-728 
Session
2013-14
Legislative stage
Second reading
Chamber / Committee
House of Commons chamber
Proceeding contributions
Lord Pickles | 569 cc678-9 (Link to this contribution)

I beg to move, That the Bill be now read a Second time.

This Bill is a natural progression ...

John Redwood | 569 c679 (Link to this contribution)

Does the Secretary of State agree that what we want is an audit system that does not equate amoun...


Show all contributions (84)
Lord Pickles | 569 c679 (Link to this contribution)

My right hon. Friend makes a reasonable point. The audit regime is just part of the process of tr...

Robert Neill | 569 c679 (Link to this contribution)

I entirely agree with my right hon. Friend’s observation about the great opportunities we are giv...

Lord Pickles | 569 cc679-681 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend makes a reasonable point. There was a box-ticking culture, and local authorities w...

Hilary Benn | 569 c681 (Link to this contribution)

The Bill might appear to some to be rather dry—[Hon. Members: “No!”] I am relieved to hear that.<...

John Redwood | 569 c681 (Link to this contribution)

On the point about the value-for-money component of the audit, I and a friend of mine, John Hatch...

Hilary Benn | 569 c682 (Link to this contribution)

I shall come to the need to maintain a value-for-money focus in the work of the successor bodies ...

George Hollingbery | 569 c683 (Link to this contribution)

The right hon. Gentleman will know that the Bill enables the National Audit Office to provide val...

Hilary Benn | 569 c683 (Link to this contribution)

I entirely accept the hon. Gentleman’s point. It seems to me that there is a case for both. Havin...

George Hollingbery | 569 c683 (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful to the right hon. Gentleman for being so generous in giving way. Is it not the case...

Hilary Benn | 569 cc683-4 (Link to this contribution)

I do not accept the argument that the Freedom of Information Act is superfluous, because it depen...

Robert Neill | 569 c684 (Link to this contribution)

On precisely what grounds does the right hon. Gentleman think that judicial review could take pla...

Hilary Benn | 569 cc684-6 (Link to this contribution)

It would be a very important legal argument as to whether the courts would attach weight to what ...

George Hollingbery | 569 c686 (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful to the right hon. Gentleman for giving way; he is truly being generous with his tim...

Hilary Benn | 569 c686 (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Gentleman makes a perfectly fair point, partly because of the changing way in which peop...

Annette Brooke | 569 c686 (Link to this contribution)

Should the main concern not be the best use of council resources? Is it really a good use of thos...

Hilary Benn | 569 c686 (Link to this contribution)

That is a fair point, as I have said, but perhaps the hon. Lady should have a conversation with t...

Ian Mearns | 569 c686 (Link to this contribution)

Does my right hon. Friend agree that, while an awful lot of people may miss statutory notices, so...

Hilary Benn | 569 cc686-7 (Link to this contribution)

I accept my hon. Friend’s point. If the system is changed in the future, as long as people knew w...

Hilary Benn | 569 c687 (Link to this contribution)

The Secretary of State obviously forgets that he criticised Luton for its publication. I have the...

Hilary Benn | 569 c688 (Link to this contribution)

No, the Secretary of State does not know his own Bill and he does not want to hear what his Conse...

John Redwood | 569 c688 (Link to this contribution)

We all understand that it can be desirable for councils to run political campaigns and that it wi...

Hilary Benn | 569 c688 (Link to this contribution)

Let us take the case of High Speed 2 and the concerns that have been expressed by some of the rig...

John Redwood | 569 c688 (Link to this contribution)

Will the right hon. Gentleman give way?

Hilary Benn | 569 c688 (Link to this contribution)

No, I have been very generous in giving way.

The great localist is, in this Bill, asking to...

Hilary Benn | 569 cc688-9 (Link to this contribution)

The right hon. Gentleman shakes his head and says that it is nonsense, but he is undone by his ow...

Hilary Benn | 569 c689 (Link to this contribution)

I will give way so that the Secretary of State can clarify that point.

Lord Pickles | 569 c689 (Link to this contribution)

It is important to address this rather silly suggestion. From the published plans and what we kno...

Hilary Benn | 569 c690 (Link to this contribution)

First, that is not the view held by the Leeds city region, and secondly, the House will have noti...

Lord Pickles | 569 c690 (Link to this contribution)

I am happy to say that what the right hon. Gentleman wants to achieve—to ensure that authorities ...

Hilary Benn | 569 cc690-1 (Link to this contribution)

I am genuinely grateful to the Secretary of State for that assurance, and I look forward to worki...

Robert Neill | 569 cc691-2 (Link to this contribution)

I was delighted to hear my right hon. Friend the Secretary of State finish an important piece of ...

Hilary Benn | 569 c692 (Link to this contribution)

It would certainly help consideration of the Bill on Second Reading if the hon. Gentleman listed ...

Robert Neill | 569 cc692-3 (Link to this contribution)

The right hon. Gentleman obviously knows that the only roles in Gilbert and Sullivan I could do a...

Andrew Bridgen | 569 c693 (Link to this contribution)

A constituent of mine is a member of an active parish council in my constituency. She raised conc...

Robert Neill | 569 c693 (Link to this contribution)

Many responsible local authorities communicate sensibly and proportionately with their constituen...

Robert Neill | 569 c693 (Link to this contribution)

I give way to my former shadow.

Chris Williamson | 569 c693 (Link to this contribution)

Might the current Mayor of London’s ability to get his message out and his not having to rely on ...

Robert Neill | 569 cc693-4 (Link to this contribution)

Now that, like me, the hon. Gentleman has time to reflect from the Back Benches, he might conside...

Ian Mearns | 569 c694 (Link to this contribution)

I am following the thread of the hon. Gentleman’s argument. Is he actually saying that the Gatesh...

Robert Neill | 569 c694 (Link to this contribution)

What I am saying is that the Gateshead Post was entitled to its view because it was not paid for ...

Chris Williamson | 569 c695 (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Gentleman has expressed his opposition to press releases being distributed by local auth...

Robert Neill | 569 c695 (Link to this contribution)

Yes, but I did not use them to attack the policies of the Opposition in party political terms. I ...

Robert Neill | 569 c695 (Link to this contribution)

Well, we could try to resolve many things by way of a judicial review, but whether that would be ...

Andy Sawford | 569 c695 (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Gentleman has shared his thoughts on a range of publications by London local authorities...

Baroness Primarolo | 569 c695 (Link to this contribution)

Order. The hon. Gentleman is new to the Dispatch Box, but

I ...

Robert Neill | 569 c696 (Link to this contribution)

There is often a material difference, depending on the precise nature of the language used and th...

Annette Brooke | 569 c696 (Link to this contribution)

I quite understand the intention behind this measure, but could my hon. Friend help me with this ...

Robert Neill | 569 c697 (Link to this contribution)

In the case of the majority of the larger levying authorities—it does not apply to some smaller o...

Chris Williamson | 569 cc697-8 (Link to this contribution)

The Government have presented us with yet another very bad Bill. Indeed, it is so bad that it is ...

George Hollingbery | 569 c698 (Link to this contribution)

When I was a portfolio holder on Winchester city council, I had to respond to the comprehensive a...

Chris Williamson | 569 c698 (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Gentleman makes an extreme point to illustrate his argument. No one is justifying unnece...

George Hollingbery | 569 c698 (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Gentleman is being generous in giving way. I am puzzled by the putative ideas on the sav...

Chris Williamson | 569 c699 (Link to this contribution)

Let me quote people who perhaps know a little more about these things than me. The draft Local Au...

Robert Neill | 569 c699 (Link to this contribution)

How does the hon. Gentleman square that with the Competition Commission’s recent report into stat...

Chris Williamson | 569 c700 (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Gentleman is a big champion of vested interests in the private sector, so I am not surpr...

Chris Williamson | 569 c700 (Link to this contribution)

Indeed. As I understand it, those were the unanimous findings of the Communities and Local Govern...

George Hollingbery | 569 c700 (Link to this contribution)

I was interested in the comments by the shadow Secretary of State, because the explanatory notes ...

Chris Williamson | 569 cc700-2 (Link to this contribution)

But not—[Interruption.]—as my right hon. Friend the Member for Leeds Central (Hilary Benn) is poi...

Annette Brooke | 569 cc702-5 (Link to this contribution)

I had better start by declaring that I am a vice-president of the LGA, as it is being mentioned r...

John McDonnell | 569 cc705-8 (Link to this contribution)

I want to address three issues. The first is the Bill’s failure to acknowledge the fears for prob...

Chris Williamson | 569 c708 (Link to this contribution)

On that point, is my hon. Friend familiar with the PricewaterhouseCoopers citizens jury which sho...

John McDonnell | 569 cc708-712 (Link to this contribution)

There is a general worry about what happens after privatisation. My hon. Friend cited a number of...

Chris Williamson | 569 c710 (Link to this contribution)

Many local newspapers already print the council newspaper, thereby providing an income stream and...

John McDonnell | 569 cc710-3 (Link to this contribution)

I hate the word “synergy” but there is a potential for synergy between the local authority and so...

George Hollingbery | 569 cc713-8 (Link to this contribution)

Last time I spoke on local government matters of this complexity—this is a complex Bill—a colleag...

Andy Sawford | 569 cc718-9 (Link to this contribution)

This has been a lively debate on an important Bill and it is a pleasure to follow the contributio...

John McDonnell | 569 c719 (Link to this contribution)

One simple measure to expand the market might be to prevent an audit firm from being the auditor ...

Andy Sawford | 569 cc719-723 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend made a very interesting speech and I hope that he will follow the passage of the B...

Brandon Lewis | 569 cc721-4 (Link to this contribution)

Right hon. and hon. Members have raised a number of important points in the debate, and I look fo...

John McDonnell | 569 c724 (Link to this contribution)

May I suggest that the Minister meet Transparency International UK and go through its report? Per...

Brandon Lewis | 569 cc724-6 (Link to this contribution)

As a general matter of principle, I am happy to meet anybody who wants to talk about any part of ...

Brandon Lewis | 569 cc725-7 (Link to this contribution)

The right hon. Gentleman keeps asking for evidence, but my hon. Friend the Member for Bromley and...

Chris Williamson | 569 c727 (Link to this contribution)

Will the Minister at least acknowledge that levying bodies could, if the referendum goes against ...

Brandon Lewis | 569 cc727-8 (Link to this contribution)

I do not accept that. The hon. Gentleman tried to make a good argument for his point of view—he w...

Back to top