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Badger Cull

Opposition day on Wednesday, 5 June 2013, in the House of Commons, led by Mary Creagh. The answering member was David Heath.
First opposition day debate (part one). Main question negatived on division (250 to 299). Amendment agreed to on division (298 to 237). Main question, as amended, agreed to.
Type
Parliamentary proceeding
Reference
563 cc1519-1577 
Session
2013-14
Chamber / Committee
House of Commons chamber
Proceeding contributions
Mary Creagh | 563 c1519 (Link to this contribution)

I beg to move,

That this House believes the badger cull should not go ahead.

We begin...

Geoffrey Clifton-Brown | 563 c1519 (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Lady has said twice that the cull is bad for farmers. If that is the case, why have they...


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Mary Creagh | 563 c1519 (Link to this contribution)

I understand the desperation that farmers are in. However, the Government have presented culling ...

Mark Pritchard | 563 c1520 (Link to this contribution)

I hope the whole House would agree that in an ideal world we would want healthy badgers, a health...

John Bercow | 563 c1520 (Link to this contribution)

I do not know whether the hon. Gentleman is hoping to catch the eye of the Chair later in the deb...

Mary Creagh | 563 c1520 (Link to this contribution)

In government we spent £20 million on delivering a vaccine. That contrasts rather unhappily with ...

Mary Creagh | 563 cc1520-1 (Link to this contribution)

I want to make some progress.

The cull method—free shooting—is untested. The number of badg...

Daniel Kawczynski | 563 c1521 (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful to the hon. Lady for giving way. I remind her that, as a result of the destruction ...

Mary Creagh | 563 c1521 (Link to this contribution)

I have not read that report, but today’s report from the Environment, Food and Rural Affairs Comm...

Mary Creagh | 563 c1521 (Link to this contribution)

I know it is about vaccines, but it is extraordinary that it does not mention the Government’s ma...

Steve McCabe | 563 c1521 (Link to this contribution)

Is it not the case that free shooting is being adopted because it is simply the cheapest way to k...

Mary Creagh | 563 c1521 (Link to this contribution)

That is right. The free shooting method is being adopted because cage trapping and shooting is mu...

Geraint Davies | 563 c1522 (Link to this contribution)

Will my hon. Friend comment on the impact of the partial genocide of badgers in England while vac...

Mary Creagh | 563 c1522 (Link to this contribution)

I commend the approach of the Welsh Assembly Government and I am glad that the preliminary result...

Mary Creagh | 563 c1522 (Link to this contribution)

I am going to explain perturbation, so I will get that over with if the hon. Gentleman does not m...

Jesse Norman | 563 c1522 (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Lady has skated over the reason why farmers, contrary to her assertion, are strongly in ...

Mary Creagh | 563 c1522 (Link to this contribution)

I understand the human issues very well, but the farming community is divided on this matter. I h...

Mary Creagh | 563 cc1522-3 (Link to this contribution)

I do not know whether there is just one. I am assuming that there are more than one.

The fa...

Mary Creagh | 563 c1523 (Link to this contribution)

I will make progress, then I will take some interventions.

There is huge concern among scie...

James Paice | 563 c1523 (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful to the hon. Lady for giving way and apologise for missing her opening remarks. She ...

John Bercow | 563 c1523 (Link to this contribution)

Order. More than 20 right hon. and hon. Members want to contribute to the debate, so some self-di...

Barry Sheerman | 563 c1523 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend knows that I am a great campaigner for the countryside, but following the points m...

Mary Creagh | 563 cc1523-4 (Link to this contribution)

I thank my hon. Friend for that intervention.

Let me come back to the perturbation side of ...

James Gray | 563 c1524 (Link to this contribution)

Does the hon. Lady agree with me that the true cost to the taxpayer has nothing to do with these ...

Mary Creagh | 563 c1524 (Link to this contribution)

The Secretary of State said at the weekend that he wants to roll out a further 10 areas a year fo...

Mary Creagh | 563 c1525 (Link to this contribution)

No. Police costs are material, because at a time when the police face 20% cuts, asking armed resp...

Mary Creagh | 563 c1525 (Link to this contribution)

I am going to make some progress.

If farmers pull out of the cull and the bond does not cov...

Jesse Norman | 563 c1525 (Link to this contribution)

On the issue of police security, will the hon. Lady unhesitatingly condemn any illegal harassment...

Mary Creagh | 563 c1525 (Link to this contribution)

Absolutely; there is no place for illegal activity. It is interesting that the Government are ign...

Andrew George | 563 c1525 (Link to this contribution)

I understand that the Government are rightly insisting on vaccination on land adjoining the culli...

Mary Creagh | 563 c1525 (Link to this contribution)

That is right. Vaccination has to take place every year because of the life cycle of the badger. ...

Mary Creagh | 563 c1526 (Link to this contribution)

I want to make some more progress before giving way again.

Let me move on to deal with the ...

Mel Stride | 563 c1526 (Link to this contribution)

If, as the hon. Lady suggests, culling is an inhumane approach to badgers, why does she believe t...

Mary Creagh | 563 c1526 (Link to this contribution)

I have mentioned the letter in today’s edition of The Independent, and I wonder whether the hon. ...

Baroness McIntosh of Pickering | 563 c1526 (Link to this contribution)

I have the highest regard for the hon. Lady and we have worked well together in Yorkshire on a nu...

Mary Creagh | 563 c1526 (Link to this contribution)

I thank the hon. Lady for her intervention. I am coming on to that point in my speech. Her report...

Andy Slaughter | 563 c1526 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend has correctly identified an issue about which hundreds of my constituents have wri...

Mary Creagh | 563 c1527 (Link to this contribution)

I know that there is a great deal of public concern. Any policy must be socially, environmentally...

Mary Creagh | 563 c1527 (Link to this contribution)

Twenty Members wish to speak, so I want to make some progress.

If it is not the most effect...

Sheryll Murray | 563 c1527 (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Lady has given us a tremendous number of statistics, for which I am grateful. Will she n...

Mary Creagh | 563 cc1527-8 (Link to this contribution)

I am in touch with farmers all the time, and I have had a meeting with the National Farmers Union...

Caroline Spelman | 563 c1528 (Link to this contribution)

As I think the hon. Lady is beginning to make clearer, it is not a case of either vaccinating or ...

Mary Creagh | 563 c1529 (Link to this contribution)

We now have the DIVA test, which enables us to differentiate vaccinated and infected cattle, and ...

Mark Tami | 563 c1529 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend has made the important point that even in infected areas there are farms that mana...

Mary Creagh | 563 c1529 (Link to this contribution)

I agree with my hon. Friend. There is nothing more dangerous than an idea if it is the only idea ...

Mary Creagh | 563 c1529 (Link to this contribution)

No, I will not. I am about to end my speech.

Any solution will require us to work closely w...

Owen Paterson | 563 cc1529-1530 (Link to this contribution)

I beg to move an amendment, to leave out from “House” to the end of the Question and add:

“...

Baroness McIntosh of Pickering | 563 c1530 (Link to this contribution)

The statistics show that the spread and increase in the United Kingdom is almost unique. Does my ...

Owen Paterson | 563 c1530 (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful to the Chairman of the Select Committee for her question, and I thank her for her r...

Julian Smith | 563 c1530 (Link to this contribution)

The NFU in north Yorkshire supports my right hon. Friend’s policy. It is desperate that this dise...

Owen Paterson | 563 c1530 (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful to my hon. Friend. I know that he is in close touch with the farming community, and...

Sammy Wilson | 563 c1531 (Link to this contribution)

The Secretary of State has highlighted the costs to the individual farmer and the taxpayer, but d...

Owen Paterson | 563 c1531 (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Gentleman is right to mention the potentially very serious impact on the agri-food indus...

Anne Main | 563 c1531 (Link to this contribution)

I have written to the Secretary of State on this matter. I asked about the impact of a cull in th...

Owen Paterson | 563 cc1531-2 (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful to my hon. Friend for her question, in which she raises one of the most pertinent p...

Lord Bellingham | 563 c1532 (Link to this contribution)

My right hon. Friend is explaining the Government’s policy very well indeed. Does he have any ide...

Owen Paterson | 563 c1532 (Link to this contribution)

That is a very helpful question. On first analysis, the estimate was about 16%, but the Irish hav...

Andrew Miller | 563 c1532 (Link to this contribution)

Section 4.5 of the Krebs report had some important things to say about the Department—then called...

Owen Paterson | 563 c1532 (Link to this contribution)

That is an interesting question. We are following on from the Krebs trials—the RBCTs or randomise...

Stephen Doughty | 563 c1533 (Link to this contribution)

The Secretary of State is giving a lot of international examples, but I would like to know what l...

Owen Paterson | 563 c1533 (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Gentleman raises an important point, but I ask him to wait a few minutes because I am co...

Mark Tami | 563 c1533 (Link to this contribution)

The Secretary of State has talked about how he has been around the world to look at all these app...

Owen Paterson | 563 c1533 (Link to this contribution)

I do not think that the hon. Gentleman quite listened to what I said. If he makes comparisons wit...

Owen Paterson | 563 c1533 (Link to this contribution)

I will take one more intervention, but I do want to give other hon. Members the chance to speak.<...

Steve McCabe | 563 c1533 (Link to this contribution)

The Secretary of State is drawing on these European comparisons, so why does his own amendment ta...

Owen Paterson | 563 c1533 (Link to this contribution)

I do not think that is a very accurate statement. We have very strict movement controls and our f...

Owen Paterson | 563 c1533 (Link to this contribution)

This really will be the last intervention I take for a while.

Andrew George | 563 c1533 (Link to this contribution)

My right hon. Friend will recollect that the randomised badger control trials studied not only th...

Owen Paterson | 563 c1534 (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful to my hon. Friend for his intervention. I know that you are an assiduous reader of ...

Owen Paterson | 563 c1534 (Link to this contribution)

Other Members want to get speak, so, if I may, I will push on a bit further.

Vaccination is...

Huw Irranca-Davies | 563 c1534 (Link to this contribution)

Will the Secretary of State give way?

Owen Paterson | 563 c1534 (Link to this contribution)

I will generously give way to the shadow Minister.

Huw Irranca-Davies | 563 c1534 (Link to this contribution)

Will the Secretary of State clarify the comments he made a moment ago? If a viable badger vaccina...

Owen Paterson | 563 c1535 (Link to this contribution)

I was going to come on to deal with that question but I will touch on it now. Clearly, an effecti...

Lord Stunell | 563 c1535 (Link to this contribution)

May I draw the Secretary of State’s attention to one area of healthy badgers, just to draw on his...

Owen Paterson | 563 c1535 (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful to my right hon. Friend for that useful question. I know that he is already talking...

Owen Paterson | 563 c1536 (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Lady has tried hard, so I will give way.

Chi Onwurah | 563 c1536 (Link to this contribution)

I thank the Secretary of State for so generously giving way. Does he recall comparing the search ...

Owen Paterson | 563 c1536 (Link to this contribution)

I think the hon. Lady is being a little hard. We have given credit to the previous Government, wh...

Owen Paterson | 563 cc1536-8 (Link to this contribution)

I am going to push on.

That is another reason we plan to consult on a new draft TB eradicat...

Lindsay Hoyle | 563 c1538 (Link to this contribution)

Order. I remind hon. Members that there is a six-minute limit on speeches—[Interruption.] It is n...

Kerry McCarthy | 563 c1538 (Link to this contribution)

As a west country MP, I can tell the House that there is widespread opposition in the west countr...

Kerry McCarthy | 563 cc1538-1540 (Link to this contribution)

I will not give way, because I only have six minutes and the hon. Gentleman will get his chance t...

Anas Sarwar | 563 c1540 (Link to this contribution)

Scientific research done by Chambers et al in 2010 showed that adequate vaccination could reduce ...

Kerry McCarthy | 563 c1540 (Link to this contribution)

Yes. It is a huge difference, and there is a debate to be had about the cost of vaccination, whic...

Baroness McIntosh of Pickering | 563 cc1540-2 (Link to this contribution)

It is an honour to follow the hon. Member for Bristol East (Kerry McCarthy). I congratulate the h...

Nia Griffith | 563 c1541 (Link to this contribution)

I rise to speak about a serious problem that I know causes great consternation in the farming com...

Julie Hilling | 563 c1541 (Link to this contribution)

The Government use evidence from other countries’ culling other animals, such as possums and deer...

Nia Griffith | 563 c1541 (Link to this contribution)

It is indeed difficult to make comparisons with other countries, where ecological patterns are ve...

Owen Paterson | 563 c1541 (Link to this contribution)

That is because there is no money, because you messed up the economy. [Interruption.]

Lindsay Hoyle | 563 c1543 (Link to this contribution)

Order. We do not need enticement from the Front Bench. The Secretary of State does not need to ge...

Nia Griffith | 563 c1543 (Link to this contribution)

The European Commission has set out an indicative 10-year timetable for the cattle BCG vaccine an...

Roger Williams | 563 c1543 (Link to this contribution)

I know the hon. Lady is completely genuine in her views, but does she not agree that the vaccine ...

Nia Griffith | 563 cc1543-4 (Link to this contribution)

That highlights the need for further scientific research and development. Clearly there is still ...

Andrew George | 563 cc1544-5 (Link to this contribution)

Continuing on the same note as the hon. Member for Llanelli (Nia Griffith), in my speech I will e...

Simon Hart | 563 c1545 (Link to this contribution)

Does the hon. Gentleman have any idea of the complexities of dealing with the physical act of vac...

Andrew George | 563 c1545 (Link to this contribution)

Absolutely; that is fully understood. Indeed, many people working on our wider advisory group are...

Roger Williams | 563 c1545 (Link to this contribution)

I congratulate my hon. Friend on his proactive stance, but we have heard how difficult it is to e...

Andrew George | 563 cc1545-6 (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful to my hon. Friend for that question. We have the involvement of a scientist who was...

Caroline Lucas | 563 cc1546-8 (Link to this contribution)

I am pleased to follow the hon. Member for St Ives (Andrew George), who made a balanced speech. I...

Bill Wiggin | 563 c1548 (Link to this contribution)

An effective Opposition would debate early-day motion 189.

I must draw to the attention of ...

Sheryll Murray | 563 c1548 (Link to this contribution)

Has my hon. Friend heard that bovine TB has spread to domestic animals such as cats and dogs?

...
Bill Wiggin | 563 c1548 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend is absolutely right: TB is found in hedgehogs, cats and dogs, and even sheep. It a...

Daniel Kawczynski | 563 c1548 (Link to this contribution)

Given the devastation caused by the disease in our region and the area neighbouring our county, w...

Bill Wiggin | 563 cc1548-1550 (Link to this contribution)

I would make the point that these are pilots. The Opposition have made it clear that they believe...

Sarah Champion | 563 cc1550-1 (Link to this contribution)

I spent the weekend talking to farmers to find out their position on the issue and I was shocked ...

Mark Spencer | 563 c1551 (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Lady is summarising what is driving the enormous frustration in the countryside with som...

Sarah Champion | 563 cc1551-2 (Link to this contribution)

I find the hon. Gentleman’s use of language offensive and patronising. I do not like to be called...

Geoffrey Clifton-Brown | 563 cc1552-3 (Link to this contribution)

I begin by drawing attention to my entry in the Register of Members’ Financial Interests in that ...

Lindsay Hoyle | 563 c1553 (Link to this contribution)

Order. I will have to drop the time limit on speeches to five minutes. [Interruption.] It is no u...

Chris Williamson | 563 cc1553-4 (Link to this contribution)

I come to the debate as a trustee of the League Against Cruel Sports. Only this morning, I helped...

George Freeman | 563 c1554 (Link to this contribution)

The Opposition have called Members to the House for this debate, and the Leader of the Opposition...

Lindsay Hoyle | 563 c1554 (Link to this contribution)

Order. I have suggested short interventions, and if Members want to pass judgment on others, it w...

Chris Williamson | 563 cc1554-5 (Link to this contribution)

If the hon. Gentleman had been in his place and listened to my hon. Friend the Member for Wakefie...

Neil Parish | 563 cc1555-6 (Link to this contribution)

This debate has shown that the Secretary of State and the Minister have taken a brave decision to...

Alison Seabeck | 563 c1556 (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Gentleman is speaking with great knowledge. He mentioned the importance of cattle moveme...

Lindsay Hoyle | 563 c1556 (Link to this contribution)

Order. It is up to Members speaking whether they give way or not, but those intervening, from wha...

Neil Parish | 563 cc1556-7 (Link to this contribution)

Thank you, Mr Deputy Speaker. I will not take any more interventions. I think that the hon. Lady ...

Mary Glindon | 563 cc1557-8 (Link to this contribution)

I am pleased to follow the hon. Member for Tiverton and Honiton (Neil Parish), who is a respected...

Tracey Crouch | 563 cc1558-9 (Link to this contribution)

When I spoke in a previous debate on this issue, I was one of few Conservative Members who stood ...

Nicholas Dakin | 563 cc1559-1560 (Link to this contribution)

It is a great privilege to follow the hon. Member for Chatham and Aylesford (Tracey Crouch), for ...

Simon Hart | 563 cc1560-2 (Link to this contribution)

I think that we are at the stage

of the afternoon when ther...

Jim Shannon | 563 c1562 (Link to this contribution)

It is always a pleasure to follow the hon. Member for Carmarthen West and South Pembrokeshire (Si...

Lord Soames of Fletching | 563 c1563 (Link to this contribution)

Does the hon. Gentleman agree that the Government ultimately have a duty of care to the farmers a...

Jim Shannon | 563 cc1563-4 (Link to this contribution)

I do accept that; it is a very key issue for us all. That is why I am speaking about the importan...

Sheryll Murray | 563 cc1564-5 (Link to this contribution)

I want to speak not only because this is an issue that I feel strongly about, but because it is a...

Daniel Kawczynski | 563 cc1565-6 (Link to this contribution)

I am very pleased that my Shropshire neighbour, my right hon. Friend the Secretary of State, is p...

Roger Williams | 563 c1566 (Link to this contribution)

I declare an interest as a farmer who owns cattle, albeit in Wales, which is not covered by the G...

Glyn Davies | 563 c1566 (Link to this contribution)

I thank my hon. Friend and neighbour for allowing me to intervene. Does he share my disappointmen...

Roger Williams | 563 cc1566-7 (Link to this contribution)

There is disappointment in Wales about that, but I want to continue to talk about the role that v...

David Morris | 563 cc1567-8 (Link to this contribution)

I wanted to speak in this debate because of the importance of balancing the well-being of our her...

Mel Stride | 563 cc1568-1570 (Link to this contribution)

I rise to speak against the motion and in support of the many farmers in my constituency who have...

Baroness Primarolo | 563 c1570 (Link to this contribution)

Order. Mr Mark Spencer will be the last speaker, and he will have four minutes in which to speak....

Mark Spencer | 563 cc1570-1 (Link to this contribution)

Let me first draw the House’s attention to my declaration of interest, not only as a former dairy...

Huw Irranca-Davies | 563 c1571 (Link to this contribution)

This has been a good debate, and I commend all Members who have spoken today for their contributi...

Sarah Champion | 563 c1571 (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Member for Sherwood (Mr Spencer) twice called me ignorant for using the term “shotguns” ...

Baroness Primarolo | 563 c1571 (Link to this contribution)

Order. That is a point of clarification, not an intervention. The hon. Lady has made those remark...

Huw Irranca-Davies | 563 cc1571-4 (Link to this contribution)

It is important to stick with the facts and what is said in the documents.

My hon. Friend t...

David Heath | 563 cc1574-7 (Link to this contribution)

This has been an extremely useful debate, not least because it has, I hope, reminded people that ...

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