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Agricultural Wages Board

Opposition day on Wednesday, 24 April 2013, in the House of Commons, led by Mary Creagh. The answering members were Owen Paterson and David Heath.
Unallotted opposition day debate (half day). Closure motion. Agreed to on question. Main question negatived on division (215 to 283).
Type
Parliamentary proceeding
Reference
561 cc924-76 
Session
2012-13
Procedure
Closure motions
Chamber / Committee
House of Commons chamber
Proceeding contributions
Mary Creagh | 561 cc924-5 (Link to this contribution)

I beg to move,

That this House notes that the Agricultural Wages Board (AWB) was set up in ...

Andy Sawford | 561 c925 (Link to this contribution)

Does my hon. Friend share my concern that among those working on the land are people like me and ...


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Mary Creagh | 561 c925 (Link to this contribution)

Absolutely. With the abolition of the AWB, there will be no minimum wage for children under the a...

Yasmin Qureshi | 561 c925 (Link to this contribution)

Does my hon. Friend agree that this is another pernicious, shoddy little policy by the Government...

Mary Creagh | 561 c925 (Link to this contribution)

They are certainly driven by ideology, although the ideology of the Minister of State seems to ha...

James Paice | 561 c925 (Link to this contribution)

What evidence does the hon. Lady have for her statement that all those casual workers will see th...

Mary Creagh | 561 c926 (Link to this contribution)

I will be talking in detail about the seasonal agricultural workers scheme. I just say to the rig...

Mark Spencer | 561 c926 (Link to this contribution)

Will the hon. Lady identify what is special about agriculture? Is it that farmers want to exploit...

Mary Creagh | 561 c926 (Link to this contribution)

I am surprised that the hon. Gentleman, with 380 workers who will be affected in his constituency...

Robert Flello | 561 c926 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend’s speech is hitting exactly the right notes. Has the former Minister, the right ho...

Mary Creagh | 561 c926 (Link to this contribution)

I will look at that in detail later, but we do not want either a race to the bottom on wages or a...

Tom Blenkinsop | 561 c926 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend is making an excellent case. One point covered by the AWB that scares me is worker...

Mary Creagh | 561 c926 (Link to this contribution)

That is right, and we all know that as we get older we are more prone to illness. A further reaso...

Mary Creagh | 561 c927 (Link to this contribution)

I will give way later, but I would like to make some progress.

The Government’s own figures...

Caroline Spelman | 561 c927 (Link to this contribution)

Is the hon. Lady unaware or simply ignoring the fact that the AWB was debated at length during th...

Mary Creagh | 561 c927 (Link to this contribution)

I am delighted that the right hon. Lady refers to the AWB and the Public Bodies Bill, the so-call...

Jim Sheridan | 561 c928 (Link to this contribution)

Many times during the passage of the Gangmasters (Licensing) Act 2004, I and my hon. Friend the M...

Mary Creagh | 561 c928 (Link to this contribution)

That is very interesting. I was just reading some of the responses to the consultation. One farme...

Andrew George | 561 c928 (Link to this contribution)

It is quite clear that the proposal to abolish the AWB is not driven by a worry that it holds pay...

Andrew George | 561 c928 (Link to this contribution)

If the Government are arguing that it is being abolished to enhance pay and conditions, we will h...

Mary Creagh | 561 cc928-9 (Link to this contribution)

I have been making that point repeatedly. The hon. Gentleman has 1,110 people in his constituency...

Toby Perkins | 561 c929 (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful to my hon. Friend for the case she is making. The Conservative party was once seen ...

Mary Creagh | 561 c929 (Link to this contribution)

Absolutely. It is not even clear whom they support in the countryside, though. I have quoted some...

Glyn Davies | 561 c929 (Link to this contribution)

I am listening carefully to the hon. Lady’s case, which makes it clear that she disagrees very st...

Mary Creagh | 561 c929 (Link to this contribution)

If the hon. Gentleman is so keen to retain the AWB—I know that many in his constituency, includin...

Jonathan Edwards | 561 c929 (Link to this contribution)

The motion notes that it is

“the Welsh Government’s wish to retain the AWB”.

Scotland...

Mary Creagh | 561 cc929-930 (Link to this contribution)

I think the hon. Gentleman has made that case very well himself. We expect an announcement from o...

Lord Hanson of Flint | 561 c930 (Link to this contribution)

Does my hon. Friend recognise that the Secretary of State represents a border constituency? If, a...

Mary Creagh | 561 c930 (Link to this contribution)

Absolutely. The Secretary of State has not only 1,120 agricultural workers, but a food bank, in h...

Russell Brown | 561 c930 (Link to this contribution)

I apologise, Mr Deputy Speaker, for being late into the Chamber and further apologise if my point...

Mary Creagh | 561 cc930-1 (Link to this contribution)

Clearly, the national minimum wage does not cover it all, which is why it was not abolished under...

Caroline Spelman | 561 c931 (Link to this contribution)

Obviously the laws already exist to enable the Health and Safety Executive to fine employers, in ...

Mary Creagh | 561 c931 (Link to this contribution)

That was a good effort from the right hon. Lady. The HSE will clearly continue to exist, but I am...

George Eustice | 561 c931 (Link to this contribution)

The Agricultural Wages Board existed when that case came to light, so it clearly did not create t...

Mary Creagh | 561 cc931-2 (Link to this contribution)

The question for the hon. Gentleman is whether conditions will get worse or better when the provi...

Owen Paterson | 561 c932 (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful to the hon. Member for Wakefield (Mary Creagh) for securing a debate on this issue....

Nia Griffith | 561 c932 (Link to this contribution)

Will the Secretary of State explain exactly how the board’s abolition will create job opportuniti...

Owen Paterson | 561 cc932-3 (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful to the hon. Lady for that early intervention. If she gives me a chance, I will expl...

Tom Blenkinsop | 561 c933 (Link to this contribution)

I am sure that the Secretary of State will be telling all this to the workers on his estate, but ...

Owen Paterson | 561 c933 (Link to this contribution)

I have to disappoint the hon. Gentleman by telling him that I do not have an estate, and that I d...

Andrew George | 561 c933 (Link to this contribution)

Those tools will be extremely helpful, especially for research and development, but in relation t...

Owen Paterson | 561 c933 (Link to this contribution)

As I said earlier, I am absolutely confident that there is a great future for the industry, and t...

Jim Sheridan | 561 c933 (Link to this contribution)

I listened carefully to the Secretary of State’s response to the hon. Member for St Ives (Andrew ...

Owen Paterson | 561 c933 (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Gentleman and I have debated these issues over many years, and we simply do not agree. W...

Jesse Norman | 561 c934 (Link to this contribution)

I absolutely share my right hon. Friend’s confidence in the future of agriculture. As he will kno...

Owen Paterson | 561 c934 (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful to my hon. Friend, who picks up on the earlier question that the shadow Secretary o...

Mary Creagh | 561 c934 (Link to this contribution)

The right hon. Gentleman asks me a direct question. We are two years away from the next election,...

Owen Paterson | 561 c934 (Link to this contribution)

I think my hon. Friend will take that as a no.

Owen Paterson | 561 c934 (Link to this contribution)

I give way to my esteemed predecessor.

Baroness Beckett | 561 c934 (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful to the right hon. Gentleman, who has now asserted more than once, as has his predec...

Owen Paterson | 561 cc934-6 (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful to the right hon. Lady for that question. There are modest administrative savings f...

Tom Blenkinsop | 561 c936 (Link to this contribution)

Is the Secretary of State saying that enhanced statutory sick pay is an outdated term and conditi...

Owen Paterson | 561 c936 (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Gentleman has misunderstood. All the existing conditions continue.

As I say, aboli...

Roberta Blackman-Woods | 561 c936 (Link to this contribution)

I wonder whether the Secretary of State will answer a question that was asked many times but neve...

Owen Paterson | 561 cc936-7 (Link to this contribution)

All sorts of options were considered, but we concluded that the answer was to abolish the board, ...

Baroness Beckett | 561 c937 (Link to this contribution)

The Secretary of State has repeatedly mentioned the national minimum wage and the fact that it wa...

Owen Paterson | 561 c937 (Link to this contribution)

In October this year, the Government will raise the national minimum wage by 12p an hour to £6.31...

Yasmin Qureshi | 561 c938 (Link to this contribution)

Will the Secretary of State promise that if the wages and terms and conditions of agricultural wo...

Owen Paterson | 561 c938 (Link to this contribution)

I cannot promise anything. It is up to individual employers. What I do know is that employers thr...

Owen Paterson | 561 c938 (Link to this contribution)

I have already answered the hon. Lady’s question. She takes a completely black view of the econom...

Owen Paterson | 561 cc938-9 (Link to this contribution)

I am going to press on. Other Members want to speak.

I believe that agriculture needs to en...

Baroness Primarolo | 561 c939 (Link to this contribution)

Order. I think 12 Members wish to speak in the debate. I am reluctant to set a time limit, so if ...

Pat Glass | 561 c939 (Link to this contribution)

The Agricultural Wages Board is important in constituencies such as mine—rural communities where ...

Mark Spencer | 561 c939 (Link to this contribution)

Given that the hon. Lady knew about the decision in 2010, has there not been adequate time betwee...

Pat Glass | 561 cc939-940 (Link to this contribution)

I am not the Government, so I cannot respond to that question. Had I been the Government, I would...

Andrew George | 561 c940 (Link to this contribution)

The problem was not just the lack of consultation with the public, but the lack of consultation w...

Pat Glass | 561 cc940-1 (Link to this contribution)

I agree with the hon. Gentleman. This is not a decent way for a Government to behave. Hon. Member...

Simon Hart | 561 cc941-2 (Link to this contribution)

I am glad to have the chance to speak in this debate. I have been getting increasingly frustrated...

Nia Griffith | 561 c942 (Link to this contribution)

Can the hon. Gentleman tell us what members of the Farmers Union of Wales told him in response to...

Simon Hart | 561 c942 (Link to this contribution)

I can. The FUW members supported the abolition of the Agricultural Wages Board. The FUW as a unio...

Tim Farron | 561 c942 (Link to this contribution)

I deal with about 9,000 pieces of casework a year and I have not had a single farm worker write t...

Simon Hart | 561 cc942-3 (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Gentleman speaks with great knowledge because he represents an area suffering those hard...

Glyn Davies | 561 c943 (Link to this contribution)

Does my hon. Friend agree that if we believed that abolishing the Agricultural Wages Board would ...

Simon Hart | 561 c943 (Link to this contribution)

I think that my hon. Friend is wrong on only one point: he says that the Labour party does not un...

Yasmin Qureshi | 561 c943 (Link to this contribution)

May I just confirm that, as a former barrister, I neither belong to a union, nor am I financed by...

Simon Hart | 561 c943 (Link to this contribution)

It might surprise the hon. Lady to learn that I am not a member of the Government and so I am not...

Mary Creagh | 561 c943 (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Gentleman said that the motion is somehow sponsored by unions. It is nothing of the sort...

Simon Hart | 561 cc943-4 (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Lady will forgive me if I note that pretty much all the electronic traffic we have seen ...

Lord Hanson of Flint | 561 c944 (Link to this contribution)

I begin by telling the hon. Member for Carmarthen West and South Pembrokeshire (Simon Hart) that ...

Russell Brown | 561 c944 (Link to this contribution)

I represent a constituency north of the border, where this discussion has no real relevance or im...

Lord Hanson of Flint | 561 c944 (Link to this contribution)

This issue certainly matters to people across the whole of the United Kingdom because, even thoug...

John Glen | 561 cc944-5 (Link to this contribution)

I have a great deal of respect for the right hon. Gentleman, but the National Farmers Union brief...

Lord Hanson of Flint | 561 c945 (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful to the hon. Gentleman for his question. I am genuinely worried that wages will fall...

Andrew Percy | 561 c945 (Link to this contribution)

I am not sure that I follow the right hon. Gentleman’s logic, so could he talk us through it a li...

Lord Hanson of Flint | 561 cc945-6 (Link to this contribution)

If the hon. Gentleman will let me develop my argument, he will see that this is not just about pa...

Yasmin Qureshi | 561 c946 (Link to this contribution)

Is it not right that over the past 15 or 20 years, the Conservative party has always taken away w...

Lord Hanson of Flint | 561 cc946-7 (Link to this contribution)

My main worry is that the assessment of the Welsh Assembly that some £26 million to £28 million w...

Andrew George | 561 cc947-8 (Link to this contribution)

This is a difficult debate, and I am grateful to the Labour Opposition for having brought it forw...

Mark Spencer | 561 c948 (Link to this contribution)

Can the hon. Gentleman define for me what a large farm is? Is an intensively farmed three-acre po...

Andrew George | 561 cc948-9 (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Gentleman might be drawing me into a different debate, but he knows about standard man d...

Tom Blenkinsop | 561 cc949-950 (Link to this contribution)

The backdrop to this terrible and petty Government measure is the fact that real wages have falle...

Neil Carmichael | 561 c950 (Link to this contribution)

I have been listening carefully to the hon. Gentleman, but does he recognise that 41% of farm wor...

Tom Blenkinsop | 561 c951 (Link to this contribution)

As my hon. Friend the Member for Llanelli (Nia Griffith) said from a sedentary position, that mea...

Neil Carmichael | 561 c951 (Link to this contribution)

If the hon. Gentleman is so determined on the matter of the Agricultural Wages Board, why did the...

Tom Blenkinsop | 561 c951 (Link to this contribution)

I would take those on the Government Benches more seriously if—pardon my slight diversion, Madam ...

George Eustice | 561 c951 (Link to this contribution)

I worked in the farming industry for 10 years and was involved in this debate when the issue was ...

Andrew George | 561 c952 (Link to this contribution)

I should have said that, like my hon. Friend, I too was an agricultural worker and worked on our ...

George Eustice | 561 c952 (Link to this contribution)

Equally, we could say that the introduction of the Gangmasters Licensing Authority deals with som...

Lord Bellingham | 561 c952 (Link to this contribution)

I want quickly to comment on a point before my hon. Friend moves on. Surely gangs now have that p...

George Eustice | 561 cc952-3 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend is right and underlines my point that the GLA has made the AWB ever more redundant...

Grahame Morris | 561 c953 (Link to this contribution)

I am following the hon. Gentleman’s argument closely, but cannot understand why anyone would want...

George Eustice | 561 c953 (Link to this contribution)

The group of people the hon. Gentleman is concerned about are protected by the minimum wage. That...

Yasmin Qureshi | 561 c953 (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Gentleman states that this is a progressive pay policy. In the past 30 years, have a Con...

George Eustice | 561 cc953-4 (Link to this contribution)

I do not want this debate to get distracted, but even in the current Parliament the coalition Gov...

Neil Carmichael | 561 c954 (Link to this contribution)

I endorse what my hon. Friend is saying. I, too, was a farmer in the 1990s, and know that farmers...

George Eustice | 561 cc954-5 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend makes an incredibly good point. Farming has changed.

The biggest farm employ...

Jack Dromey | 561 cc955-6 (Link to this contribution)

I start by declaring an interest: as deputy general secretary of the old Transport and General Wo...

Lord Bellingham | 561 c956 (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Gentleman obviously has a great deal of expertise, and I agree entirely with his points ...

Jack Dromey | 561 cc956-7 (Link to this contribution)

We have an atomised work force. There has been a progressive change in employment patterns from w...

Andrew George | 561 c957 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend the Member for Camborne and Redruth (George Eustice) suggested earlier that farmer...

Jack Dromey | 561 c957 (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Gentleman is absolutely right to be concerned about a race to the bottom. There are tens...

Peter Luff | 561 c957 (Link to this contribution)

I am most grateful, particularly when I was not able to be here for the opening speeches. I agree...

Jack Dromey | 561 c958 (Link to this contribution)

The board was born out of the experience of the agricultural economies. I have already said that,...

Baroness Primarolo | 561 c958 (Link to this contribution)

Order. I remind the House that the debate is time-limited, and must end at 5.47 pm. It will be ne...

Mark Spencer | 561 cc958-960 (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful for that guidance, Madam Deputy Speaker. Let me begin by drawing the House’s attent...

Roberta Blackman-Woods | 561 cc960-1 (Link to this contribution)

I am pleased to take part in the debate. I have a constituency interest, and I led for the Opposi...

Neil Parish | 561 cc961-3 (Link to this contribution)

I am proud to say that I still consider myself to be very much part of the farming community. I w...

Nia Griffith | 561 c963 (Link to this contribution)

Ministers have still not convinced me about why they want to abolish the Agricultural Wages Board...

Simon Hart | 561 c963 (Link to this contribution)

What I actually said was that the members of that union in my constituency who have approached me...

Nia Griffith | 561 cc963-4 (Link to this contribution)

Well, farmers in general want to be fair to their staff, and I would certainly say to the hon. Me...

Grahame Morris | 561 cc964-7 (Link to this contribution)

I support the Opposition motion to resist the abolition of the Agricultural Wages Board. Governme...

Huw Irranca-Davies | 561 c967 (Link to this contribution)

On occasions such as this, at the closing of a debate, we often hear words about what a fine deba...

Baroness McIntosh of Pickering | 561 c967 (Link to this contribution)

I have been chairing a meeting of the Environment, Food and Rural Affairs Committee this afternoo...

Huw Irranca-Davies | 561 cc967-8 (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Lady says she has been contacted by just three, but three is three, and I know for a fac...

Jack Dromey | 561 c968 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend is making a powerful case. Members on the Government Benches have asked what Labou...

Huw Irranca-Davies | 561 cc968-970 (Link to this contribution)

I welcome the opportunity to do so, because it has wrongly been said that we have already made up...

David Heath | 561 cc970-1 (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Member for Carmarthen West and South Pembrokeshire (Simon Hart) did the House a service ...

David Heath | 561 c971 (Link to this contribution)

I will because the hon. Gentleman has some knowledge on this subject and I therefore welcome his ...

Jack Dromey | 561 c971 (Link to this contribution)

Will the Minister tell the House at what point and why he moved from believing that the abolition...

David Heath | 561 cc971-2 (Link to this contribution)

There were a number of points. There was the introduction of the Part-time Workers (Prevention of...

David Heath | 561 c972 (Link to this contribution)

I am afraid I have no time left.

Opposition Members are telling us that the basement protec...

Alan Campbell | 561 c972 (Link to this contribution)

claimed to move the closure (Standing Order No. 36).

Question put forthwith, That the Quest...

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