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Growth and Infrastructure Bill

Debate on bills on Tuesday, 16 April 2013, in the House of Commons, led by Lord Pickles and Michael Fallon.
Programme motion (No. 3) agreed to on question. Consideration of Lords amendments. Lords amendments 25 and 7 disagreed to on division. Lords amendments 1 to 6, 8 to 24, and 26 to 40 agreed to. Motion that a Committee be appointed to draw up Reasons to be assigned to the Lords for disagreeing to their amendments. Agreed to on question. Reasons reported and agreed to. Message to the Lords to communicate the said Reasons, with the Bill and amendments. Relevant document: the Seventh Report of Communities and Local Government Committee, The Committee’s response to Government’s consultation on permitted development rights for homeowners, HC 830.
Type
Parliamentary proceeding
Reference
561 
Session
2012-13
Legislative stage
Lords amendments
Chamber / Committee
House of Commons chamber
Proceeding contributions
John Bercow | 561 c174 (Link to this contribution)

Before we commence our consideration, I should inform the House that the tag referring to the sev...

Michael Fallon | 561 cc174-5 (Link to this contribution)

I beg to move, That this House disagrees with Lords amendment 25.

Back in October, the Gove...


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Lord Stunell | 561 c175 (Link to this contribution)

I thank my right hon. Friend for giving way and, in particular, for having listened carefully to ...

Michael Fallon | 561 cc175-6 (Link to this contribution)

I certainly can. It is not possible, under the procedures of the House, to place the guidance in ...

Julian Smith | 561 c176 (Link to this contribution)

Will the Minister confirm that there has been great excitement in many areas of the business comm...

Michael Fallon | 561 cc176-7 (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful to my hon. Friend. We have never specified the type of company that is most likely ...

Chuka Umunna | 561 cc177-8 (Link to this contribution)

The Opposition agree with Lords amendment 25, which seeks to remove that part of the Bill that pr...

Nick de Bois | 561 c178 (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Gentleman gives me a choice of things to argue about, but I will pick up on just one—the...

Chuka Umunna | 561 cc178-9 (Link to this contribution)

With the greatest respect to the hon. Gentleman, my understanding is that the survey was conducte...

Andy Sawford | 561 c179 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend is absolutely right to raise the issue of tax avoidance. Is there not also an impl...

Chuka Umunna | 561 c179 (Link to this contribution)

That is absolutely right.

My final and principal objection to the proposal is this: last No...

Nick de Bois | 561 c179 (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful for the opportunity to highlight a couple of points in favour of the Government’s m...

Chuka Umunna | 561 c179 (Link to this contribution)

I absolutely agree with the hon. Gentleman, but I fail to understand why we have to withdraw peop...

Nick de Bois | 561 c180 (Link to this contribution)

I will come to that. I know that the hon. Gentleman has a history in corporate mergers and acquis...

George Freeman | 561 c180 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend, like me, has experience of running small businesses. On the connection between ri...

Nick de Bois | 561 c180 (Link to this contribution)

I agree. The point I am trying to make, in as balanced and fair a way as I can under the circumst...

Nick de Bois | 561 c180 (Link to this contribution)

If the hon. Gentleman wants to intervene, I would be happy to take up his point.

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Chuka Umunna | 561 c180 (Link to this contribution)

I do not disagree with many of the hon. Gentleman’s points, but I still fail to understand—he wil...

Nick de Bois | 561 c181 (Link to this contribution)

I hope that the hon. Gentleman will understand, as I am sure he does, that the best chance of suc...

Andy Sawford | 561 c181 (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Gentleman makes the point—it is a legitimate point, but I happen to disagree with it—tha...

Nick de Bois | 561 c181 (Link to this contribution)

The biggest step someone takes when they start a small business is employing someone. They cease ...

Julian Smith | 561 c181 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend is describing very effectively the challenges facing a new small business. Does it...

Nick de Bois | 561 c181 (Link to this contribution)

I am not surprised that the hon. Member for Streatham, who speaks very eloquently, expresses his ...

David Ward | 561 c181 (Link to this contribution)

One of the most significant features of the current recession has been the flexibility in the lab...

Nick de Bois | 561 c182 (Link to this contribution)

No responsible employer would ever relish the prospect of losing the experience that he has inves...

John McDonnell | 561 c182 (Link to this contribution)

I want to make four simple, brief points. The first is about share ownership. I tabled amendments...

Andy Sawford | 561 c182 (Link to this contribution)

I agree with my hon. Friend’s point about workers in that situation, but we should also challenge...

John McDonnell | 561 c182 (Link to this contribution)

I was going to make that point. There is an element of complexity in this scheme which will lead ...

Mark Lazarowicz | 561 c182 (Link to this contribution)

On that point, the assumption has been made that all employees will opt for this status, but in m...

John McDonnell | 561 cc182-3 (Link to this contribution)

That leads on to my second point—I do not want to delay the House. This measure opens up the proc...

Julian Smith | 561 c183 (Link to this contribution)

Does not the hon. Gentleman agree that businesses throughout Britain have been laden down with re...

John McDonnell | 561 c183 (Link to this contribution)

With the greatest respect to the hon. Gentleman, I disagree. We have heard this argument about th...

Jonathan Edwards | 561 c183 (Link to this contribution)

Did not the last intervention let the cat out of the bag? This is essentially about deregulating ...

John McDonnell | 561 c183 (Link to this contribution)

It is, but I was trying to be a bit more subtle about the process of allegation—I appreciate that...

Julian Smith | 561 c184 (Link to this contribution)

I want to speak briefly in support of my hon. Friend the Member for Enfield North (Nick de Bois) ...

Mark Lazarowicz | 561 cc184-5 (Link to this contribution)

I, too, would like to say a few words about this proposal of shares for rights. Of the various ty...

John Bercow | 561 c185 (Link to this contribution)

Order. I do not know whether the hon. Gentleman is interested in hearing a few seconds of reply. ...

Mark Lazarowicz | 561 c185 (Link to this contribution)

Thank you, Mr Speaker. I shall end by saying that I hope the House will not support the Governmen...

Michael Fallon | 561 c185 (Link to this contribution)

With the leave of the House, I should like briefly to respond. I am afraid that we have had a fai...

Lord Pickles | 561 c186 (Link to this contribution)

I beg to move, That this House disagrees with Lords amendment 7.

Lindsay Hoyle | 561 c186 (Link to this contribution)

With this it will be convenient to discuss Lords amendments 1 to 6, 8 to 24 and 26 to 40.

Lord Pickles | 561 c190 (Link to this contribution)

I agree with amendments 1 to 6, 8 to 24 and 26 to 40, but I ask the House to support the motion t...

Simon Hughes | 561 c190 (Link to this contribution)

I thank the Secretary of State for announcing an important measure that will deal with the mischi...

Lord Pickles | 561 cc190-1 (Link to this contribution)

I agree. It will ensure that important information is provided where it should be provided, withi...

Lord Jackson of Peterborough | 561 c191 (Link to this contribution)

I am sure my right hon. Friend agrees that the local government family is like the curate’s egg: ...

Lord Pickles | 561 c191 (Link to this contribution)

I do not know about the curate’s egg, but I have always regarded local government as an omelette ...

Paul Burstow | 561 c191 (Link to this contribution)

Will the Secretary of State give way?

Lord Pickles | 561 c191 (Link to this contribution)

I will, of course, give way to the right hon. Gentleman on the matter of omelettes.

Paul Burstow | 561 c191 (Link to this contribution)

Can the Secretary of State explain why, even at this stage, it was not possible to provide an exe...

Lord Pickles | 561 c192 (Link to this contribution)

Obviously we will provide the information when the regulations are laid. That is normal Governmen...

Lord Goldsmith of Richmond Park | 561 c192 (Link to this contribution)

I stand by the words that my right hon. Friend quoted so eloquently earlier. There are certainly ...

Lord Pickles | 561 c192 (Link to this contribution)

I think that it would be best for my hon. Friend to wait until the omelette has started to settle...

Tim Loughton | 561 c192 (Link to this contribution)

I do not know about omelettes, but the Secretary of State is making a very soft-boiled case for s...

Lindsay Hoyle | 561 c192 (Link to this contribution)

Order. We must have shorter interventions.

Lord Pickles | 561 c192 (Link to this contribution)

When I became Member of Parliament for Brentford and Ongar, my predecessor gave me a single file ...

Lord Pickles | 561 cc192-3 (Link to this contribution)

If hon. Members will let me make a little progress, they will be able to hear what I am suggestin...

Bob Blackman | 561 c193 (Link to this contribution)

Article 4 directives are generally used for enforcing restrictions in conservation areas, which i...

Lord Pickles | 561 c194 (Link to this contribution)

This is a normal administrative process. I will check with my ministerial colleagues, but I belie...

Robert Neill | 561 c194 (Link to this contribution)

I agree that to permit a local authority to opt out entirely from permitted development measures ...

Lord Pickles | 561 c194 (Link to this contribution)

Absolutely, and that is why we are looking towards Lord Taylor’s advice in respect of tweaking th...

John Hemming | 561 c194 (Link to this contribution)

Does my right hon. Friend accept that one reason why no compensation has been paid under article ...

Lord Pickles | 561 c194 (Link to this contribution)

I have enjoyed campaigning with the hon. Gentleman on other issues, but I have to say he is being...

Lord Pickles | 561 c194 (Link to this contribution)

I am about to use honeyed terms to try to placate my colleagues who have concerns, but before I g...

Charles Walker | 561 c194 (Link to this contribution)

I do not want to keep my right hon. Friend from reaching that dramatic moment because I should ob...

Lord Pickles | 561 c194 (Link to this contribution)

And before the honeyed words arrive, I can think of nobody more appropriate to give way to than t...

Clive Betts | 561 c194 (Link to this contribution)

I am still struggling with understanding why the Secretary of State is resisting amendment 7 and ...

Lord Pickles | 561 c195 (Link to this contribution)

Well, one might be concerned that this might be misrepresented as a money-raising exercise—a nice...

John Redwood | 561 c195 (Link to this contribution)

I would like a little more information. Will the Secretary of State give us his forecast of how m...

Lord Pickles | 561 c195 (Link to this contribution)

My right hon. Friend recognises that this represents a boost to industry. [Interruption.] I am so...

Lord Pickles | 561 c195 (Link to this contribution)

I feel that, somehow, I am returning to confrontational type, and I must avoid that, so let me sa...

Peter Bottomley | 561 c195 (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful to the Secretary of State for giving way, and I think that most of us have listened...

Lord Pickles | 561 c195 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend has, in his succinct way, put the case better than I have.

Cheryl Gillan | 561 c196 (Link to this contribution)

I appreciate the seriousness with which the Secretary of State has considered the representations...

Lord Pickles | 561 c196 (Link to this contribution)

Of course, I am cut to the quick by my right hon. Friend’s remarks. She does not need to rely on ...

Lord Goldsmith of Richmond Park | 561 c196 (Link to this contribution)

I thank my right hon. Friend for giving way and welcome his decision to rethink the policy, but g...

Lord Pickles | 561 c196 (Link to this contribution)

Considering that I quoted a good page and a half from an excellent document that is, I hope, stil...

Baroness McIntosh of Pickering | 561 c196 (Link to this contribution)

I hope that my right hon. Friend will take this as a helpful intervention. When I was shadow floo...

Lord Pickles | 561 c196 (Link to this contribution)

I well remember wandering through the flooding in my hon. Friend’s constituency, complete with we...

Andrew Bingham | 561 c196 (Link to this contribution)

I appreciate the fact that the Secretary of State has come to the Chamber today and said that he ...

Lord Pickles | 561 c196 (Link to this contribution)

I am always glad to hear that it is not all about size; that is a comfort to me.

Charles Walker | 561 c197 (Link to this contribution)

I thank my right hon. Friend for being most generous in giving way. In deciding what will happen ...

Lord Pickles | 561 c197 (Link to this contribution)

Absolutely. My hon. Friend the Planning Minister and my right hon. Friend the Minister—[Interrupt...

Peter Luff | 561 c197 (Link to this contribution)

I think that the Secretary of State will recognise that the level of attendance in the House toda...

Lord Pickles | 561 c197 (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful to my hon. Friend for not coddling me.

Lyn Brown | 561 c197 (Link to this contribution)

I am genuinely grateful to the Secretary of State for giving way, but had I heard his words from ...

Lord Pickles | 561 c197 (Link to this contribution)

I cannot imagine any circumstances in which permitted development rights would allow beds in shed...

Lord Beamish | 561 c197 (Link to this contribution)

I am really enjoying the Secretary of State’s performance this afternoon. I must say that the tho...

Lord Pickles | 561 c197 (Link to this contribution)

The solutions are available and my Back Benchers have come up with a number of ideas. It would be...

Anne Main | 561 c197 (Link to this contribution)

I came to the Chamber in the hope that the Secretary of State would give me some assurances that ...

Lord Pickles | 561 c198 (Link to this contribution)

As consensus goes, this is pretty damn dramatic. It is about as dramatic as consensus gets. I wil...

Nadine Dorries | 561 c198 (Link to this contribution)

I take on board the Secretary of State’s point that the LGA has not provided him with sufficient ...

Lord Pickles | 561 c198 (Link to this contribution)

It has been noticeable that discussion in the Chamber is one-sided today. There is concern on the...

Lord Pickles | 561 c198 (Link to this contribution)

I shall give way to my hon. Friend the Member for Mid Dorset and North Poole (Annette Brooke), bu...

Annette Brooke | 561 c198 (Link to this contribution)

I, too, would like more details about the direction of change. As most councils have extensive de...

Lord Pickles | 561 c198 (Link to this contribution)

I could not have put it better myself. I believe we can move together, arrive at a broad consensu...

Hilary Benn | 561 cc198-9 (Link to this contribution)

I welcome the Government’s decision to accept all but one of the amendments that were passed in t...

Anne Main | 561 c199 (Link to this contribution)

May I ask the right hon. Gentleman to consider his phraseology? The issue is not necessarily the ...

Hilary Benn | 561 c199 (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Lady makes an extremely important point. I was going to raise it in a moment, but I shal...

Robert Neill | 561 c199 (Link to this contribution)

Will the right hon. Gentleman give way?

Hilary Benn | 561 c199 (Link to this contribution)

Gladly, but the House will have noticed that the Secretary of State, who is responsible for this,...

Robert Neill | 561 c199 (Link to this contribution)

Will the right hon. Gentleman answer this very simple question? Given his new-found concern for b...

Hilary Benn | 561 cc199-200 (Link to this contribution)

I make no apology for having a brownfield-first policy when we were in government. One of the rea...

Bob Blackman | 561 c200 (Link to this contribution)

It is interesting that the right hon. Gentleman is referring to a key point in the debate—the 13%...

Hilary Benn | 561 cc200-2 (Link to this contribution)

I shall be very clear. The reason I shall be going through the Lobby to vote against the Secretar...

Robert Neill | 561 c201 (Link to this contribution)

As a former sous-chef in the Department, I have no doubt that if my right hon. Friend the Secreta...

Lyn Brown | 561 c201 (Link to this contribution)

Will the hon. Gentleman give way on that point?

Robert Neill | 561 c201 (Link to this contribution)

I will make some progress before giving way.

It is well known that throughout the history o...

Lyn Brown | 561 c201 (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Gentleman is very kind. I was going to ask him whether he thought that the policy was co...

Robert Neill | 561 cc201-3 (Link to this contribution)

There is a real issue in Newham and other parts of the country about developments in back gardens...

Lord Jackson of Peterborough | 561 c203 (Link to this contribution)

Does my hon. Friend not agree with me, however, that it would have been easier to persuade the Ho...

Robert Neill | 561 c203 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend raises an important point, and I accept the basis on which he does so. Equally, ho...

Bob Blackman | 561 c203 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend has vast experience in local government and in planning law. Does he agree that on...

Robert Neill | 561 c203 (Link to this contribution)

I understand my hon. Friend’s genuine concerns—I do not doubt the good faith with which they are ...

Clive Betts | 561 cc203-4 (Link to this contribution)

The Select Committee looked at the Government’s proposals and we concluded that the case for the ...

Andrew Bingham | 561 c204 (Link to this contribution)

I am not keen on this idea, and I have said so from an early stage, because there would be long-t...

Annette Brooke | 561 cc204-5 (Link to this contribution)

I, too, welcome the work done in the other place. We have some very sensible amendments and I am ...

Lord Goldsmith of Richmond Park | 561 c205 (Link to this contribution)

Many colleagues are minded to support the amendment but would like to support the Government. For...

Lord Jackson of Peterborough | 561 c205 (Link to this contribution)

In this of all weeks, it pains me to be considering voting for the amendment and against the Gove...

Anne Main | 561 c205 (Link to this contribution)

Regrettably, the only reason this proposal would have any economic benefit is that the scale of s...

Lord Pickles | 561 c205 (Link to this contribution)

I think that I can offer the reassurances that colleagues are seeking. It is not a question of si...

Bob Blackman | 561 c206 (Link to this contribution)

There are two key concerns here: first, the rights of local authorities; and secondly—

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