Welfare Reform Bill. Consideration of Lords message. Lords amendments 3B and 26B negatived on division. Lords amendments 17B to 17D, 19B and 73BA agreed to on question with Commons financial privilege waived. Motion that a Committee be appointed to draw up a Reason to be assigned to the Lords for disagreeing to their amendments 3B and 26B. Agreed to on question. Committee reported and reasons agreed to. Message to the Lords to communicate said Reasons, with the Bill and amendments.
Welfare Reform Bill
Debate on bills on Tuesday, 21 February 2012,
in the House of Commons,
led by Lord Grayling.
The answering
member was Stephen Timms.
Type
Parliamentary proceeding
Reference
540 c750-71
Session
2010-12
Chamber / Committee
House of Commons chamber
Welfare Reform Bill. Lords amendments. Explanatory notes also published.
Tuesday, 31 January 2012
Bills
House of Commons
Tuesday, 31 January 2012
Bills
House of Commons
Proceeding contributions
Julian Sturdy | 540 c761 (Link to this contribution)
Is that not the argument? There is a lack of family accommodation and we need to house families who ...
Andrew Percy | 540 c761 (Link to this contribution)
We need to address the failure to provide adequate housing stock in this country. However, I say to ...
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Lord Field of Birkenhead | 540 c761-3 (Link to this contribution)
As the House may know, I agree with the Government on many aspects of the Bill and I have not always...
Stephen Lloyd | 540 c763 (Link to this contribution)
It is a privilege to follow the right hon. Member for Birkenhead (Mr Field) on this issue and the is...
David Ward | 540 c765 (Link to this contribution)
Does the hon. Gentleman agree that the Government are failing to understand the sheer scale of this ...
Stephen Timms | 540 c763-4 (Link to this contribution)
I agree with the points that the hon. Gentleman is making. Just to take him back to foster children ...
Stephen Lloyd | 540 c764 (Link to this contribution)
I would welcome a response from the Minister on that issue.
To go back to disabled people and adjus...
Speaker | 540 c764 (Link to this contribution)
Before I call the next speaker, let me point out to the House that the Minister is being asked quite...
Andy Slaughter | 540 c764-5 (Link to this contribution)
I agree with all right hon. and hon. Gentlemen who have spoken, with the exception of the Minister.
...
Lord Field of Birkenhead | 540 c766 (Link to this contribution)
We are not interested in the Blair Government or the Brown Government; the electorate decided that t...
Lord Grayling | 540 c766-7 (Link to this contribution)
I simply do not accept that. The right hon. Gentleman is making assumptions about people's behaviour...
Lord Field of Birkenhead | 540 c765 (Link to this contribution)
But it is not about that, is it? If the Government are going to deliver to the Treasury the moneys t...
Lord Grayling | 540 c765-6 (Link to this contribution)
As I keep saying, that is not the case. At the moment, local authorities up and down the country are...
Andy Slaughter | 540 c765 (Link to this contribution)
As always, the hon. Gentleman is right on this issue.
The point has been made by those on my Front ...
Lord Grayling | 540 c765 (Link to this contribution)
I will probably not be able to cover all the questions that have been raised, but I shall pick out s...
Alan Reid | 540 c753-4 (Link to this contribution)
I am pleased to hear my right hon. Friend say that there will be discretionary housing payments to t...
Lord Grayling | 540 c754 (Link to this contribution)
We will certainly look very carefully at that. I give the hon. Gentleman that assurance, and again w...
Liam Byrne | 540 c754 (Link to this contribution)
The Minister has sketched out for the House a number of important concessions for groups that will b...
Lord Grayling | 540 c754 (Link to this contribution)
Of course, many of the local decisions will be taken by local authorities, but we will provide infor...
Nick de Bois | 540 c754 (Link to this contribution)
Will the Minister help me to put this in context? Is he aware that there are high earners living in ...
Lord Grayling | 540 c754-5 (Link to this contribution)
As we know, there are even people close to this place who still occupy social housing. It is our vie...
Lord McCrea of Magherafelt and Cookstown | 540 c755 (Link to this contribution)
Can the Minister assure me that he and his Department are working closely with the devolved Administ...
Lord Grayling | 540 c755 (Link to this contribution)
I am happy to give the hon. Gentleman that assurance. My noble Friend Lord Freud, who has direct res...
Stewart Hosie | 540 c755 (Link to this contribution)
In his discussions, will the Minister make it clear that the Scottish Government have pointed out th...
Lord Grayling | 540 c755 (Link to this contribution)
I suggest that the hon. Gentleman check his facts. The total cost of housing benefit is £26 billion ...
Tom Clarke | 540 c756 (Link to this contribution)
I follow absolutely my right hon. Friend's logic, but in the field of disability does he not recogni...
Stephen Timms | 540 c756-9 (Link to this contribution)
My right hon. Friend is absolutely right, and that is why the Lords propose in their amendment an ex...
Speaker | 540 c755 (Link to this contribution)
We are extremely grateful to the Minister of State for concluding so pithily, and I am deeply oblige...
Stephen Timms | 540 c755-6 (Link to this contribution)
I hope that Government Members think long and hard before simply voting down Lords amendments 3B and...
Andrew Percy | 540 c760 (Link to this contribution)
When I spoke during our last consideration of the Lords amendments to the Bill, I expressed concerns...
Tom Clarke | 540 c760-1 (Link to this contribution)
I find myself agreeing with almost everything that the hon. Gentleman has said, apart from his view ...
Charlie Elphicke | 540 c759 (Link to this contribution)
I understand that the policy in the Lords amendments would cost the Exchequer £150 million. How woul...
Stephen Timms | 540 c759-60 (Link to this contribution)
The hon. Gentleman should reflect on the fact that, as I have described, the costs will be greater i...
Andrew Percy | 540 c761 (Link to this contribution)
I do not know the circumstances of that case, but in my time as a councillor we had a number of prop...
Lord Beamish | 540 c761 (Link to this contribution)
Given my time in local government in my constituency, I totally agree with the hon. Gentleman on tha...
Lord Grayling | 540 c751 (Link to this contribution)
The hon. Lady simply has not thought things through properly. At the moment, we are paying expensive...
Sheila Gilmore | 540 c751 (Link to this contribution)
If the Minister is successful and people move from homes that they under-occupy and other people mov...
Lord Grayling | 540 c751 (Link to this contribution)
The right hon. Gentleman needs to remember what the amendments are about. Large numbers of people in...
Tom Clarke | 540 c751 (Link to this contribution)
When the Minister considers financial implications, does he bear in mind the fact that the Governmen...
Lord Grayling | 540 c750-1 (Link to this contribution)
If I may, I shall deal first with amendments 17B to 17D and 19B, on employment and support allowance...
Lord Grayling | 540 c750 (Link to this contribution)
I beg to move, That this House disagrees with Lords amendment 3B, and Lords amendment 26B.
Speaker | 540 c750 (Link to this contribution)
I must draw the attention of the House to the fact that financial privilege is involved in all the L...
Ann Coffey | 540 c751-2 (Link to this contribution)
I seek clarification from the Minister. The new under-occupancy rule will only apply to working-age ...
Lord Grayling | 540 c753 (Link to this contribution)
I know my right hon. Friend has expressed concerns about the policy. Let me say to him that we will ...
Simon Hughes | 540 c753 (Link to this contribution)
I am grateful to Ministers for their engagement on this difficult but important issue. With referenc...
Lord Grayling | 540 c753 (Link to this contribution)
Let me give my right hon. Friend an assurance that we will work closely with him on the process of r...
Simon Hughes | 540 c753 (Link to this contribution)
If the Bill goes through, but before regulations are laid, will the Minister work with colleagues an...
Charlie Elphicke | 540 c752 (Link to this contribution)
One concern that I have in my constituency is that many people live in overcrowded accommodation and...
Lord Grayling | 540 c752 (Link to this contribution)
I give my hon. Friend that assurance and pay tribute to him. I know that he has a deep knowledge of ...
Lord Grayling | 540 c753 (Link to this contribution)
Indeed, Mr Speaker, and I shall try to be as rapid as I can for that reason.
It would be all too ea...
Edward Timpson | 540 c752 (Link to this contribution)
Will my right hon. Friend confirm that foster carers will not be included in the new under-occupatio...
Lord Grayling | 540 c752 (Link to this contribution)
The approach we are taking across all our reforms is that if somebody in a household is of working a...
Andrew Percy | 540 c761 (Link to this contribution)
Indeed. The standard for many housing associations is to provide two bedrooms—there is a programme i...
Speaker | 540 c753 (Link to this contribution)
Order. Before the Minister of State responds, may I remind the House that we have only an hour for L...
Speaker | 540 c750 (Link to this contribution)
With this it will be convenient to discuss the following:
That this House does not insist on its am...
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