Parliamentary search - Welfare Reform Bill

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Parliamentary proceeding

Reference

734 c1446-72, 1482-99

Session

2010-12

Department

Department for Work and Pensions

Legislative stage

Third reading

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Government defeats

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House of Lords chamber

Welfare Reform Bill. As amended on report.
Wednesday, 25 January 2012
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House of Lords

Proceeding contributions

Lord Freud | 734 c1464 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, we are talking about severely disabled children receiving the full rate of £77. That is th...

Countess of Mar | 734 c1464 (Link to this contribution) How can a single mother with a severely disabled child go out to work?

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Lord Freud | 734 c1464-5 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, this is a really important point. It may very well be that the concern of the House actual...

Baroness Meacher | 734 c1464 (Link to this contribution) We have to be very clear about this. One of the main reasons for this amendment is the fact that it ...

Lord Freud | 734 c1465-6 (Link to this contribution) Not just your Lordships—I share those concerns, clearly. One of the things I have been trying to do ...

Baroness Howarth of Breckland | 734 c1465 (Link to this contribution) I do not think that is the whole issue that is concerning noble Lords. There is another issue, about...

Lord Patel | 734 c1466 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, on a point of order, will the Minister confirm that we cannot amend regulations? He has as...

Lord Freud | 734 c1463-4 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, we have spent a lot of time on child poverty, and the IFS projections do not take account ...

Lord Freud | 734 c1464 (Link to this contribution) The figure that we have on the average amount is £8,800. There is a 5 per cent difference in the ove...

Baroness Wilkins | 734 c1464 (Link to this contribution) The Minister said that those children will receive £8,000. They are receiving £9,500 under the curre...

Lord McKenzie of Luton | 734 c1483-5 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, one issue that lacks clarity at present concerns ““work””, ““better paid work”” and ““more...

Lord McKenzie of Luton | 734 c1483 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to the noble Lord. Obviously we support the amendment. Amendment 3 agreed. Clause 40...

Lord Freud | 734 c1483 (Link to this contribution) No, my Lords, I am saying the opposite. The Scottish Parliament has decided that it wants to make th...

Baroness Gibson of Market Rasen | 734 c1483 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, before we move on to Amendment 4, I shall inform noble Lords that there has been an error ...

Lord Freud | 734 c1482 (Link to this contribution) 3: Clause 32, page 15, line 34, leave out subsection (3)

Countess of Mar | 734 c1482 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, before we proceed with Third Reading, I apologise to the noble Lord, Lord Freud, and to th...

Lord McKenzie of Luton | 734 c1483 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I do not believe that we have a problem with the amendments in this group, but perhaps the...

Lord Freud | 734 c1482-3 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, on 22 December last year, the Scottish Parliament voted on a legislative consent Motion to...

Baroness Meacher | 734 c1467-8 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I feel a huge weight of responsibility here. The Minister does not want me to test the opi...

Lord Freud | 734 c1467 (Link to this contribution) I thank my noble friend Lord Trimble for that. That is the position. I have heard strong arguments h...

Lord Trimble | 734 c1467 (Link to this contribution) Before the Minister replies to that intervention, perhaps I may suggest that we are getting bogged d...

Baroness Hollis of Heigham | 734 c1467 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, the Minister is encouraging us to defy all the conventions of the House. Perhaps I may say...

Lord Freud | 734 c1467 (Link to this contribution) When we were in opposition we certainly did not vote on a fatal basis, which was our policy. If the ...

Lord McKenzie of Luton | 734 c1467 (Link to this contribution) What the Minister says about affirmative regulations is right, but is he aware that it is the stated...

Lord Freud | 734 c1466-7 (Link to this contribution) No, my Lords. Without wanting to get into a huge constitutional debate about this, my understanding ...

Countess of Mar | 734 c1466 (Link to this contribution) If the House of Commons throws the regulations out, they can be thrown out; but if we throw them out...

Baroness O'Cathain | 734 c1466 (Link to this contribution) I have listened avidly to this debate and been very moved by a lot of it. I also have some experienc...

Lord Freud | 734 c1466 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I hope that noble Lords by now have got a flavour of how I try to work with them. I listen...

Lord Freud | 734 c1491 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, under this construct, they will have to do the six months to wipe off the sanctions. Let u...

Baroness Hayter of Kentish Town | 734 c1491 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I thank the Minister for passing the test on the regulations—obviously I knew; I was just ...

Baroness Lister of Burtersett | 734 c1490-1 (Link to this contribution) I thank the Minister for the techie stuff, but what happens to someone who has been subject to a san...

Lord Freud | 734 c1492 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I accept that Amendment 8 from the noble Lord, Lord Best, is a duplicate of previous Amend...

Lord Freud | 734 c1493 (Link to this contribution) 9: Clause 93, page 62, line 21, leave out ““The Secretary of State may by regulations”” and insert “...

Lord Best | 734 c1492 (Link to this contribution) 8: Clause 70, page 54, line 6, at end insert— ““( ) After subsection (7) insert— ““(7A) In relation ...

Lord Best | 734 c1492 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, Amendment 8 gives effect to an amendment which was in my name on Report and to an amendmen...

Lord McKenzie of Luton | 734 c1493-4 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, Amendment 14 seeks further clarification about the purpose of the changes that the Governm...

Lord Freud | 734 c1493 (Link to this contribution) 11: Clause 95, page 63, line 8, leave out ““unless otherwise provided”” 12: Clause 95, page 63, li...

Lord Freud | 734 c1485-6 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, before I start on the specific matter, I shall take a short period to thank the noble Coun...

Lord McKenzie of Luton | 734 c1486 (Link to this contribution) Before the noble Lord sits down, I thank him for that full response, but can he deal with the point ...

Lord Freud | 734 c1487 (Link to this contribution) No, my Lords, I am not aware that we have locked that down at this time. It is an issue that we are ...

Lord McKenzie of Luton | 734 c1487 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am grateful for the update that we have had. I guess that we just look forward to furthe...

Baroness Hayter of Kentish Town | 734 c1487 (Link to this contribution) 7: Clause 46, page 25, line 7, at end insert— ““(c) the grounds on which such sanctions may be termi...

Baroness Hayter of Kentish Town | 734 c1487-8 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, this amendment seeks clarification on the issue of what the Minister called ““the prodigal...

Baroness Hollis of Heigham | 734 c1489 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I strongly support the amendment moved by my noble friend. Throughout Committee and Report...

Lord Skelmersdale | 734 c1489 (Link to this contribution) Perhaps the noble Baroness, Lady Hollis, could turn over to page 34 of the Bill. New Section 6J(7)(c...

Lord Freud | 734 c1489-90 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, let me cut straight to the chase. We have the powers in regulation to do whatever we or an...

Baroness Hollis of Heigham | 734 c1499 (Link to this contribution) It has not happened.

Lord Freud | 734 c1499 (Link to this contribution) This is my speech. I need to thank my noble friend Lady Garden for her support on the Front Bench, ...

Lord McKenzie of Luton | 734 c1498 (Link to this contribution) Before the Minister answers the question that I posed earlier, perhaps I may take the opportunity to...

Lord Wigley | 734 c1498 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, since this opportunity is being taken to say thank you, perhaps I may from our Benches—I a...

Lord McKenzie of Luton | 734 c1496 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, it is a pity that this came up at the end of the Report stage and that we do not have anot...

Lord Freud | 734 c1497 (Link to this contribution) 15: Schedule 1, page 113, line 3, at end insert— ““Work-related requirements 6A Regulations may prov...

Lord Freud | 734 c1497 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, we have brought forward this amendment to ensure that where we have an obligation under EU...

Lord McKenzie of Luton | 734 c1497 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, we support the thrust of this amendment. Perhaps I may ask one question. We had a helpful ...

Baroness Lister of Burtersett | 734 c1494 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I support the amendment. It is important that there has not been a change in meaning. I kn...

Lord Freud | 734 c1494-5 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, Amendment 14 is designed to place a caveat on the amendment to Section 9 of the Child Pove...

Lord McKenzie of Luton | 734 c1495-6 (Link to this contribution) From what the noble Lord has just said, it seems that what the Government did on Report sought to ch...

Lord Freud | 734 c1496 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, what I hoped that I had explained, although I failed to do so adequately, was this. As cur...

Baroness Morgan of Drefelin | 734 c1497 (Link to this contribution) While the Minister is being helpful, perhaps I may seek the indulgence of the House for just a momen...

Lord German | 734 c1497-8 (Link to this contribution) I do not know whether this is the right place in the debate in which to do it because it is the firs...

Lord McKenzie of Luton | 734 c1463 (Link to this contribution) I do not know whether the Minister is going to say anything further about poverty figures, but how d...

Baroness Meacher | 734 c1463 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I think that I am right in saying that about £18 billion has been taken out in cuts. We ar...

Lord Freud | 734 c1463 (Link to this contribution) I am very grateful for the applause. I am not hearing a lot of it. The modelling that we have done i...

Lord McKenzie of Luton | 734 c1460-2 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, we support the amendment moved so comprehensively and eloquently by the noble Baroness, La...

Lord Freud | 734 c1462-3 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I think that I have to take up the challenge of the noble Baroness, Lady Hollis, and try n...

Lord Newton of Braintree | 734 c1459-60 (Link to this contribution) I did not suggest that this was setting rates in concrete; I suggested that it was setting relations...

Baroness Hollis of Heigham | 734 c1460 (Link to this contribution) The noble Lord is precisely right and has therefore made my point for me. Precisely because that rel...

Lord German | 734 c1457-9 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I would like to take a little further the arguments, put by the noble Lord, Lord Newton, a...

Baroness Hollis of Heigham | 734 c1459 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I should like to come back on some of the points made by the noble Lords, Lord Newton and ...

Baroness Howarth of Breckland | 734 c1456-7 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I support this amendment, but in so doing I understand the position in which the noble Lor...

Baroness Finlay of Llandaff | 734 c1456 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, it has been said that the mark of a civilised society is the way that it cares for its mos...

Baroness Howe of Idlicote | 734 c1455-6 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, a Division on a similar amendment was lost by two votes. We must all remember that we have...

Lord Peston | 734 c1455 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I congratulate my old friend the noble Baroness, Lady Meacher, on her excellent introducti...

Lord Newton of Braintree | 734 c1454 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I wonder whether I might intervene briefly. I am in a slightly awkward position, and it ma...

Lord Walton of Detchant | 734 c1453-4 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I, too, wish to speak relatively briefly to this important amendment. In the course of my ...

Lord Wigley | 734 c1453 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I support this amendment. I am not going to repeat what I said at Second Reading, in Commi...

Baroness Thomas of Winchester | 734 c1450 (Link to this contribution) I gather that we are being asked not to rehearse all the arguments. We have, anyway, heard very full...

Baroness Browning | 734 c1450-1 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I should like to talk directly to my noble friend the Minister about money, because we all...

Baroness Hollins | 734 c1451 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I stand very briefly to support this amendment. As a psychiatrist who has worked for many ...

Baroness Meacher | 734 c1446-9 (Link to this contribution) The amendment proposes that Ministers revisit the relationship between the new levels of disability ...

Baroness Wilkins | 734 c1449-50 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I have added my name to this amendment, which has been ably introduced by the noble Barone...

Baroness Meacher | 734 c1446 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, Amendment 1 seeks to ensure that the gap between the higher and normal-rate additions for ...

Baroness Meacher | 734 c1446 (Link to this contribution) 1: Clause 10, page 4, line 36, at end insert— ““such additional amount to be paid at either a higher...

Lord McKenzie of Luton | 734 c1483 (Link to this contribution) 4: Clause 40, page 18, line 40, leave out ““work has such meaning as may be prescribed”” and insert ...

Lord Freud | 734 c1466 (Link to this contribution) That is exactly what happens with regulations—

Lord McKenzie of Luton | 734 c1493 (Link to this contribution) 14: Clause 146, page 109, line 4, at end insert— ““( ) Nothing in subsections (1) to (5) have the ef...

Lord Freud | 734 c1487 (Link to this contribution) 5: Clause 43, page 20, line 21, leave out from ““Regulations”” to ““are”” in line 22 and insert ““un...

Lord Freud | 734 c1498-9 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, before I say a few words of my own, I have to admit that the very last question from the n...

Countess of Mar | 734 c1452 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am pleased to support this amendment so ably moved by my noble friend Lady Meacher and s...

Baroness Garden of Frognal | 734 c1446 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I apologise to the noble Baroness, but might I just suggest that people leave the Chamber ...

Notes

Division list corrected in Lords Minutes of 1 February 2012: Lord Leach of Fairford should have been included in the list of those voting Not Content in place of Lord Leitch.

Subjects

Disability

Disability living allowance

Childcare

Disadvantaged

Benefits rules

Carers

Costs

Cancer

Housing benefit

Employment

Families