Welfare Reform Bill. Lords report stage sixth day. Bill, as amended, ordered to be printed (HL Bill 124).
Welfare Reform Bill
Type
Parliamentary proceeding
Reference
734 c1052-109, 1122-50 
Session
2010-12
Legislative stage
Report stage
Chamber / Committee
House of Lords chamber
Proceeding contributions
Lord German | 734 c1069-70 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I should like to follow that because it is an interesting perspective. I come to this issu...
Bishop of Manchester | 734 c1069 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, it is clear that the nub of this issue is the accountability required to make sure that th...
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Lord Fowler | 734 c1067-8 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, there is an amazing coincidence here. I remember back in 1985-86 being strongly opposed on...
Lord Skelmersdale | 734 c1067 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, the key to this amendment—I go a long way with my noble friend Lord Newton on what he has ...
Lord Freud | 734 c1064 (Link to this contribution)
Yes, my Lords, I can confirm that we have agreements with the devolved Administrations on this matte...
Lord Wigley | 734 c1063 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, may I have one word of clarification about the interplay between these provisions on counc...
Lord Newton of Braintree | 734 c1067 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I can hope only that my noble friends on the Front Bench have already realised that Newton...
Baroness Lister of Burtersett | 734 c1064-7 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, this amendment has the support of the noble Lords, Lord Kirkwood of Kirkhope and Lord Blai...
Baroness Lister of Burtersett | 734 c1064 (Link to this contribution)
62BJA: After Clause 132, insert the following new Clause—
““Information sharing in relation to the S...
Lord Freud | 734 c1064 (Link to this contribution)
62BC: Clause 129, page 100, line 11, after ““services”” insert ““, council tax””
62BD: Clause 129,...
Baroness Hollins | 734 c1052 (Link to this contribution)
62ZC: Clause 103, page 73, line 28, at end insert—
““71ZJ Non-recoverable overpayments
The Secretary...
Baroness Hollins | 734 c1052-4 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, the House will wish to know, in connection with this amendment, that I am an appointee for...
Lord Bichard | 734 c1055 (Link to this contribution)
I support this amendment as someone who used to be responsible for delivering the benefits system. W...
Baroness Hayter of Kentish Town | 734 c1055-7 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, it seems that the HMRC’s position on tax credits is to say, ““If we fail to meet our respo...
Lord Freud | 734 c1057-8 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, as we have previously discussed, Clause 103 is based on the premise that for those benefit...
Baroness Hollis of Heigham | 734 c1058-9 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, the Minister reminded the House that the current maximum weekly repayment for overpayments...
Lord Freud | 734 c1059 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I think I can give that assurance on the basis that we are looking at financial hardship a...
Baroness Hollis of Heigham | 734 c1059 (Link to this contribution)
Does the Minister think it reasonable that no more than 10 per cent of total benefit income should g...
Lord Freud | 734 c1059 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I am not sure that I am in a position to give assurance on precise figures and percentages...
Baroness Hollins | 734 c1059 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I thank the Minister for his detailed and careful reply, which contained a number of reass...
Baroness Hayter of Kentish Town | 734 c1060-1 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, on behalf of my noble friend Lord McKenzie, I also thank the Minister and the noble Lord, ...
Lord Freud | 734 c1061-2 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I need to start by thanking the noble Lord, Lord Ramsbotham, for arranging a really useful...
Lord Ramsbotham | 734 c1059 (Link to this contribution)
62A: After Clause 113, insert the following new Clause—
““Guidelines to be followed by officials of ...
Lord Ramsbotham | 734 c1060 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, Amendment 62A is in many ways complementary to Amendment 62ZC, which we have just debated....
Lord Freud | 734 c1062-3 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, Clause 129 enables relevant information to be shared between DWP, local authorities and ot...
Lord Newton of Braintree | 734 c1063 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I just want one penn’orth. I completely support these amendments, but they give me the opp...
Lord Freud | 734 c1062 (Link to this contribution)
62BB: Clause 129, page 100, line 4, at end insert ““or council tax””
Lord McKenzie of Luton | 734 c1063 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I concur completely with what the noble Lord, Lord Newton, has just said. We obviously wil...
Lord Freud | 734 c1150 (Link to this contribution)
71: In the Title, line 5, after ““Commission”” insert ““and otherwise amend the Child Poverty Act 20...
Baroness Lister of Burtersett | 734 c1150 (Link to this contribution)
I beg leave to withdraw the amendment.
Amendment 69 withdrawn.
Amendment 70
Moved by
Lord Freud | 734 c1148-50 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, as noble Lords are aware, our focus is on supporting and helping to lift children out of p...
Lord Freud | 734 c1150 (Link to this contribution)
70: Clause 144, page 109, line 4, at end insert—
““( ) any provision of Part 4 (personal independenc...
Lord Adebowale | 734 c1130 (Link to this contribution)
62E: After Clause 138, insert the following new Clause—
““Condition relating to mental health
In sec...
Lord Winston | 734 c1133 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I also promised the noble Lord, Lord Layard, that I would chip in briefly on this amendmen...
Baroness Thomas of Winchester | 734 c1132-3 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I have a great deal of sympathy with this very practical amendment to a very real problem....
Lord Turnberg | 734 c1131-2 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, in the absence of the noble Lord, Lord Layard, I would like to intervene briefly on his be...
Lord Adebowale | 734 c1130-1 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, at this late hour I will try to be brief. The noble Lord, Lord Layard, who put his name to...
Lord De Mauley | 734 c1129 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, there has been much talk of the cavalry this evening, and mine has now arrived—at least it...
Lord McKenzie of Luton | 734 c1129-30 (Link to this contribution)
I think that it may, if I understand the scope of it. Does it mean, for example, that the data that ...
Lord De Mauley | 734 c1129 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I am now informed that there will be nothing in future reports that will not be available ...
Lord McKenzie of Luton | 734 c1129 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I am happy to have the answer in writing, as long as we can have it a decent time before T...
Lord De Mauley | 734 c1130 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, it is publicly available.
Lord McKenzie of Luton | 734 c1130 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I am happy to leave it there for the moment. However, I will read the record. I would like...
Lord McKenzie of Luton | 734 c1129 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I thank the noble Lord, Lord De Mauley, for that extensive introduction to the amendment. ...
Lord De Mauley | 734 c1127-8 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, government Amendments 62D and 67A deal with the requirement on the Secretary of State and ...
Lord McKenzie of Luton | 734 c1129 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, that would be fine, as long as the noble Lord will concede that if we feel, following that...
Lord De Mauley | 734 c1129 (Link to this contribution)
I wonder whether the noble Lord would mind awfully if I wrote to him.
Baroness Lister of Burtersett | 734 c1123 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I rise briefly to support the amendment of my noble friend Lady Hayter. However, her case ...
Lord Freud | 734 c1123-5 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, at the start of these two groups of amendments on the child poverty commission, I want to ...
Baroness Lister of Burtersett | 734 c1125 (Link to this contribution)
I am sorry to interrupt, but I also made a point about expertise born of experience. I sat on the Co...
Lord Freud | 734 c1125-6 (Link to this contribution)
Yes, my Lords. I hope that I was making clear that our intention is to get people who are experts in...
Baroness Hayter of Kentish Town | 734 c1126 (Link to this contribution)
I must respond to the Minister’s reiteration of the Government's commitment to reducing child povert...
Lord Freud | 734 c1126-7 (Link to this contribution)
62CA: After Clause 137, insert the following new Clause—
““Review of fees regulations
In section 6 o...
Lord De Mauley | 734 c1127 (Link to this contribution)
62D: After Clause 138, insert the following new Clause—
““Standards of decision-making
Section 81 of...
Baroness Lister of Burtersett | 734 c1146-8 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, yesterday the noble Lord, Lord Kirkwood, said to me, ““Trust you to have the last amendmen...
Baroness Lister of Burtersett | 734 c1146 (Link to this contribution)
69: Clause 144, page 108, line 41, at end insert—
““(2A) Section 57 (entitlement of lone parents to ...
Lord Freud | 734 c1145-6 (Link to this contribution)
63: Schedule 14, page 165, line 19, at end insert ““and ““that Part of””””
64: Schedule 14, page 1...
Baroness Hayter of Kentish Town | 734 c1145 (Link to this contribution)
Having had the promise of the intention to give these issues the importance that they deserve, I beg...
Lord Freud | 734 c1144-5 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I have to admit that this amendment is not as expensive as the £1.4 billion PIP one, becau...
Baroness Hayter of Kentish Town | 734 c1142-4 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, as has been repeated and endorsed many times, a main aim of universal credit is to make wo...
Baroness Hayter of Kentish Town | 734 c1142 (Link to this contribution)
62M: After Clause 141, insert the following new Clause—
““Review into the impact of the calculation ...
Lord Freud | 734 c1142 (Link to this contribution)
62G: Schedule 13, page 151, line 32, leave out from ““strategy”” to end of line 34
62H: Schedule 1...
Lord Freud | 734 c1142 (Link to this contribution)
62L: Schedule 13, page 154, line 29, at end insert—
““( ) After subsection (2) there is inserted—
““...
Lord McKenzie of Luton | 734 c1141 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, we are supportive of Amendments 62G, 62H and 62K. As we have heard, Amendments 62G and 62H...
Lord Freud | 734 c1141-2 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, the amendment is intended to clarify the Child Poverty Act, not to change the substance or...
Lord Freud | 734 c1138-9 (Link to this contribution)
62EA: After Clause 140, insert the following new Clause—
““UK child poverty strategies
(1) Section 9...
Lord Adebowale | 734 c1137-8 (Link to this contribution)
I thank the Minister for his thoughtful response and the Members of the House who have taken part in...
Lord Wigley | 734 c1140-1 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I rise to speak to the amendments that deal with the devolved Administrations. I wondered ...
Lord Freud | 734 c1139-40 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I will to speak to Amendments 62G, 62H, 62J and 62L, which have been bought forward to ens...
Lord Thomas of Gresford | 734 c1137 (Link to this contribution)
Is Access to Work still available to people with mental health problems?
Lord Freud | 734 c1135-7 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I start by thanking the noble Lord, Lord Layard, who is in a better place, and the noble L...
Lord Wigley | 734 c1133-4 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I support the amendment and I am very grateful to the noble Lord for bringing it forward. ...
Baroness Hayter of Kentish Town | 734 c1134-5 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, does not Davos sound interesting? I gather that the Prime Minister is there as well as the...
Bishop of Manchester | 734 c1097 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, many of my parish priests would endorse the kind of things that we have heard of this afte...
Lord Stoddart of Swindon | 734 c1097-8 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I say right away that I have no hesitation in supporting the amendment of the noble and le...
Baroness Sherlock | 734 c1097 (Link to this contribution)
I came across a quotation from the Committee stage: "““For even though marriages may break down, par...
Baroness Butler-Sloss | 734 c1094 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, in the family courts the welfare of children is paramount. It is particularly important to...
Lord Morris of Aberavon | 734 c1093 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I rise in support of the noble and learned Lord. This is my first intervention in this Bil...
Lord Mackay of Clashfern | 734 c1090-3 (Link to this contribution)
I move the amendment out of a sense of the need for fairness in these alterations. I should say at t...
Lord Brooke of Sutton Mandeville | 734 c1096 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I was sitting next to my noble friend Lord Boswell of Aynho, who was the seconder of my no...
Baroness Howe of Idlicote | 734 c1096 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I remember listening to the noble and learned Lord, Lord Mackay, upstairs in Grand Committ...
Baroness Howarth of Breckland | 734 c1095-6 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I will make a simple and straightforward intervention. I will not repeat what I said earli...
Lord Mackay of Clashfern | 734 c1105-6 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I am grateful to all those who have supported me, as well as to those who have spoken but ...
Baroness Hayter of Kentish Town | 734 c1122 (Link to this contribution)
62CZA: Clause 134, page 105, line 11, at end insert—
““(3) Any such steps taken under subsection (2A...
Lord Goodhart | 734 c1099 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I do not often vote against coalition policy. I voted for the coalition on Monday, when th...
Lord Mawhinney | 734 c1098-9 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, politicians regularly claim to have fairness on their side. It is sort of part of the trad...
Lord Kirkwood of Kirkhope | 734 c1100-1 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I will just take two minutes to deal with that, if I may.
First, I have encountered the b...
Baroness Berridge | 734 c1099-100 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I have not spoken previously in your Lordships’ House on this Bill, but I briefly practise...
Lord De Mauley | 734 c1102-3 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I have enormous respect for my noble and learned friend Lord Mackay, which I know all nobl...
Lord McKenzie of Luton | 734 c1101-2 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, this has been a powerful, passionate and extremely well informed debate. If the debate has...
Lord De Mauley | 734 c1103-5 (Link to this contribution)
Perhaps the noble Baroness will permit me to come to her specific questions in a while.
My noble an...
Baroness Howarth of Breckland | 734 c1103 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I find that surprising when, on a daily basis, the guardian ad litem in a court case can b...
Lord De Mauley | 734 c1081 (Link to this contribution)
62BL: Clause 134, page 105, leave out lines 1 to 3 and insert—
““(b) in particular, before accepting...
Lord McKenzie of Luton | 734 c1080-1 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I understand the amendment is to overcome a lack of vires on behalf of the Registrar-Gener...
Lord De Mauley | 734 c1080 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, Tell Us Once is a cross-government programme developed so that people should be required t...
Lord De Mauley | 734 c1080 (Link to this contribution)
62BK: Clause 133, page 104, line 16, after ““information”” insert ““contained in a declaration made ...
Baroness Lister of Burtersett | 734 c1076-7 (Link to this contribution)
He has put up a very noble defence of the Government’s position. But the noble Lord, Lord Newton, pu...
Baroness Lister of Burtersett | 734 c1075-6 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I am very grateful to all noble Lords who have spoken. I have to say, when I was calling f...
Lord De Mauley | 734 c1072-5 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, during the passage of the Bill there has been much discussion of the reform of the discret...
Lord McKenzie of Luton | 734 c1071-2 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, we support the amendment moved with the great passion and inescapable logic which we have ...
Baroness Hollis of Heigham | 734 c1070-1 (Link to this contribution)
Perhaps I may challenge the noble Lord, Lord German. What he is saying is entirely applicable to Wal...
Lord Mackay of Clashfern | 734 c1090 (Link to this contribution)
62C: Clause 134, page 105, line 11, at end insert—
““(3) In section 6 of the Child Maintenance and O...
Lord Freud | 734 c1090 (Link to this contribution)
62BM: Clause 134, page 105, line 8, leave out from ““(2)(b)”” to second ““to”” in line 9 and insert ...
Lord De Mauley | 734 c1089-90 (Link to this contribution)
I share my noble friend’s horror at being asked to ““press 1”” and so on for different things. I can...
Lord McKenzie of Luton | 734 c1086-8 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, when the noble Lord, Lord De Mauley, introduced these fairly specific amendments, we had a...
Lord Mackay of Clashfern | 734 c1086 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, it will be fairly obvious to most of your Lordships that these amendments are not entirely...
Lord Cormack | 734 c1089 (Link to this contribution)
Can my noble friend assure the House that the telephone will be answered by a human being and that t...
Lord De Mauley | 734 c1088-9 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I am grateful to all noble Lords who have spoken. Let me turn directly to the issues raise...
Baroness Sherlock | 734 c1084 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I will speak briefly to Amendments 62BL and 62BM, and in doing so I draw the attention of ...
Lord De Mauley | 734 c1081-4 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I shall speak also to government Amendments 62BM and 62CA. In doing so, I wish to put thes...
Baroness Howarth of Breckland | 734 c1085-6 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I shall speak briefly, following the noble Baroness, Lady Tyler, who is about to follow me...
Baroness Tyler of Enfield | 734 c1084-5 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I welcome the announcement of the additional £20 million for family support services for s...
Baroness Hollis of Heigham | 734 c1054-5 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, we should be grateful to the noble Baroness, Lady Hollins, for raising this issue, which c...
Baroness Howe of Idlicote | 734 c1133 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I have listened to what has been said and there has been quite a lot of support for the am...
Baroness Tyler of Enfield | 734 c1134 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I too add my support for this amendment, which was moved very powerfully by the noble Lord...
Lord Newton of Braintree | 734 c1093-4 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, if anyone wondered why I moved from my earlier position, they would have guessed that it w...
Lord Cormack | 734 c1094-5 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I, too, very much hope that the House will support my noble and learned friend. I hope tha...
Baroness Hayter of Kentish Town | 734 c1122-3 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, we form a select few still in the Chamber. I remind noble Lords that the Child Poverty Act...
Lord Ramsbotham | 734 c1062 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I am very grateful to the Minister not just for those remarks but also for the seminar whi...
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