Health and Social Care Bill. Lords committee stage ninth day. Clauses 20 to 26 agreed to. Schedule 2 agreed to.
Health and Social Care Bill
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and
Debate on bills on Wednesday, 30 November 2011,
in the House of Lords,
led by Baroness Emerton.
The answering
member was Earl Howe.
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Health and Social Care Bill. In two volumes. Brought from the Commons. Explanatory Notes HL Bill 92-EN also published.
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Constitution Select Committee (HL) eighteenth report on the Health and Social Care Bill.
Wednesday, 14 September 2011
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Delegated Powers and Regulatory Reform Committee. Nineteenth report on: Health and Social Care Bill; London Olympic Games and Paralympic Games (Amendment) Bill; Terrorism Prevention and Investigation Measures Bill. (Lords Minutes).
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Proceeding contributions
Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 733 c379-80 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, that was broadly reassuring. There are just two points I would make. First, there are plen...
Earl Howe | 733 c377-9 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, Amendments 221, 222, 223 and 223A refer to the incentive scheme for CCGs. This scheme will...
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Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 733 c376-7 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, as we come to our final group tonight, I shall be brief. This amendment relates to payment...
Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 733 c376 (Link to this contribution)
221: Clause 24, page 52, line 20, leave out from beginning to end of line 21 on page 53
Earl of Sandwich | 733 c375 (Link to this contribution)
Well, I certainly am not going to pick a quarrel with the Minister after midnight. I do not accept e...
Earl Howe | 733 c374-5 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I add my thanks to the noble Earl for his continued commitment to highlighting the needs o...
Baroness Williams of Crosby | 733 c374 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, the point raised by the noble Earl, Lord Sandwich, who has worked very closely in this fie...
Baroness Thornton | 733 c373-4 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I was very pleased to put my name to the amendment tabled by the noble Earl, Lord Sandwich...
Baroness Hollins | 733 c373 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, may I briefly speak in support of the amendment? I suggest that the duty to provide servic...
Baroness Finlay of Llandaff | 733 c377 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, this highlights clearly the difficulty we face when GPs are independent contractors. Impro...
Lord Patel | 733 c377 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, my name is on Amendments 222, 223 and 223A, which relate to the same issue that both the n...
Baroness Williams of Crosby | 733 c377 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, the noble Lord, Lord Hunt, has raised an issue that has created concern in a great many qu...
Earl Howe | 733 c369 (Link to this contribution)
I totally and utterly disagree. There is bags of accountability in the form of accountability to pat...
Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 733 c369 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I cannot let that pass. Of course, but that was within the context of a statutory framewor...
Earl of Sandwich | 733 c370 (Link to this contribution)
203: Clause 23, page 38, line 2, at end insert—
““14Y1 Duty as to addiction to prescribed drugs
(1) ...
Lord Kakkar | 733 c369-70 (Link to this contribution)
I thank the Minister for his detailed and helpful response to Amendment 185 and to the amendments ta...
Earl Howe | 733 c366-8 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, in responding to these amendments, I begin by highlighting one basic point. Our intention ...
Baroness Williams of Crosby | 733 c365-6 (Link to this contribution)
The point that I will raise with the Minister is far less important than the one just raised by the ...
Baroness Masham of Ilton | 733 c371 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I support my noble friend’s amendments. Addiction to over-the-counter drugs is an importan...
Earl of Sandwich | 733 c370-1 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, the Minister already knows that, in moving the amendment, I use the example of the dangers...
Baroness Finlay of Llandaff | 733 c373 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I also support my noble friend Lord Sandwich on this terribly important topic. It links ba...
Lord Alderdice | 733 c371-3 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I support the noble Earl. He initiated a debate on this question some time ago. As I said ...
Baroness Finlay of Llandaff | 733 c361-2 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, this group of amendments is complex. I declare an interest as I chaired the commission on ...
Lord Patel | 733 c359-61 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I support my noble friend Lord Kakkar’s amendment on the performance of general practice a...
Lord Kakkar | 733 c358-9 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, Amendment 185, tabled in my name and that of my noble friend Lord Patel, proposes that eac...
Lord Kakkar | 733 c358 (Link to this contribution)
185: Clause 23, page 36, line 23, at end insert—
““( ) In particular, each clinical commissioning gr...
Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 733 c357 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I am grateful to the Minister for that very comprehensive response. There are just two poi...
Baroness Finlay of Llandaff | 733 c365 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, if I might intervene briefly, I think that this short debate has just illustrated that som...
Baroness Masham of Ilton | 733 c365 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I want to support my noble friend. All I want to say is that these products are absolutely...
Baroness Wilkins | 733 c363-5 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I speak to Amendment 239A tabled in my name. The Minister will remember the protracted deb...
Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 733 c363 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, the preceding speakers put their finger on a big issue, namely the quality of primary medi...
Baroness Jolly | 733 c362-3 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I will speak to Amendments 213A and 213B, which are both probing amendments that concern t...
Baroness Masham of Ilton | 733 c352 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I have put my name to Amendment 209. Many GPs do not know about many less common condition...
Baroness Finlay of Llandaff | 733 c351-2 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I shall speak to several amendments in this group. Some have already been spoken to. Some ...
Lord MacKenzie of Culkein | 733 c353 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I rise to speak to Amendments 209 and 212, to which I have put my name. I spoke earlier ab...
Lord Patel | 733 c352 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I rise to speak to one amendment in particular. I will be very brief. I support some of th...
Baroness Finlay of Llandaff | 733 c355 (Link to this contribution)
Can the Minister define ““reasonable requirements””? What is ““reasonable”” and in whose mind would ...
Earl Howe | 733 c353-5 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, the broad theme of these amendments is to ensure the effectiveness of the commissioning pr...
Earl Howe | 733 c355-6 (Link to this contribution)
I appreciate what the noble Baroness says about judicial review, and of course she is right that it ...
Lord Patel | 733 c357 (Link to this contribution)
If the thinking is evolving, I hope that my question is helpful.
Earl Howe | 733 c357 (Link to this contribution)
Well, my Lords, again that is a matter on which I will have to write to the noble Lord. The thinking...
Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 733 c342-5 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, we come to a second large group of amendments concerned with clinical commissioning groups...
Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 733 c342 (Link to this contribution)
176B: Clause 23, page 35, line 41, at end insert—
““( ) promote awareness of the NHS Constitution am...
Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 733 c350 (Link to this contribution)
I am grateful to the noble Baroness for giving way, but I am very puzzled. I thought that Liberal De...
Baroness Jolly | 733 c349-50 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I shall speak to Amendments 203D, 216ZAZA, and 216ZAZB. This is all about strengthening th...
Baroness Whitaker | 733 c349 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I, too, support Amendments 210 and 217, for the reasons which the two noble Lords who have...
Lord Patel of Bradford | 733 c347-9 (Link to this contribution)
I shall speak in support of Amendments 210 and 217 which, as the noble Baroness, Lady Hollins, has j...
Baroness Jolly | 733 c350-1 (Link to this contribution)
It is not a view of pressure groups. It was the view of our group when we were discussing what we wa...
Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 733 c350 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, we are not here merely to express the views of pressure groups.
Baroness Jolly | 733 c350 (Link to this contribution)
I will explain to the noble Lord where this amendment came from. Certainly, as a group we were conce...
Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 733 c330 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I have a number of amendments in this group. I will start with Amendment 159A which questi...
Lord Greaves | 733 c330 (Link to this contribution)
The noble Lord very kindly referred to what I said. Is it not also the case that a group of GPs coul...
Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 733 c330-2 (Link to this contribution)
From the reading the Bill, it is only when two or more are gathered together that they can make such...
Baroness Williams of Crosby | 733 c332 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I congratulate the noble Lord, Lord Hunt, particularly on Amendment 160A. The idea that pa...
Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 733 c332-3 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, perhaps I can come back to that. On Amendment 160A, I am grateful to the noble Baroness fo...
Lord Alderdice | 733 c334 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, let us be clear. It was no cheap shot. It was a comment on how the previous Government car...
Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 733 c334 (Link to this contribution)
I thought that what the noble Lord said about the last Government was a cheap shot. I was talking ab...
Lord Alderdice | 733 c335 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I addressed one specific proposal, not the whole world and the whole conduct of the Bill. ...
Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 733 c334-5 (Link to this contribution)
So I as a patient have no right to say or comment on which clinical commissioning group my GP wants ...
Lord Patel | 733 c335 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I thought that I might get up to say one sentence to stop this conversation from going fur...
Lord Warner | 733 c337-8 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I was not convinced by the noble Earl’s views on the number of clinical commissioning grou...
Earl Howe | 733 c341 (Link to this contribution)
172: Clause 22, page 33, line 44, at end insert ““or (b)””
173: Clause 22, page 34, line 2, at end...
Lord Greaves | 733 c335-6 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I want to say one or two things about the consultation and go back to what I was saying be...
Earl Howe | 733 c336-7 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, these amendments are all concerned with the process of the establishment of CCGs or change...
Earl Howe | 733 c342 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, if I could just respond to my noble friend I will of course reflect, as I always do, on th...
Lord Marks of Henley-on-Thames | 733 c341 (Link to this contribution)
We will withdraw this amendment but I am bound to say that on the question of conflicts of interest,...
Lord Marks of Henley-on-Thames | 733 c341 (Link to this contribution)
175E: Schedule 2, page 280, line 34, at end insert ““and shall apply the provisions of paragraphs 19...
Earl Howe | 733 c341 (Link to this contribution)
175: Clause 22, page 34, line 16, leave out ““function under section 14L(3)(a)”” and insert ““functi...
Lord Marks of Henley-on-Thames | 733 c342 (Link to this contribution)
I am very grateful. On that basis I beg leave to withdraw the amendment.
Amendment 175E withdrawn.
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Lord Greaves | 733 c302 (Link to this contribution)
If a CCG pathfinder can operate in the mean time as a committee of the PCT, will it act as a sub-com...
Earl Howe | 733 c302 (Link to this contribution)
Of the PCT, because the cluster has no legal standing.
Lord Greaves | 733 c322-3 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I spoke on an earlier amendment this afternoon about issues that come round and round, and...
Baroness Finlay of Llandaff | 733 c321-2 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I certainly support the amendments tabled by the noble Baroness, Lady Williams, who has ju...
Lord Marks of Henley-on-Thames | 733 c324-5 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I rise to speak to Amendments 175E, 176AA to AD, 213C and 220A, all in the names of my nob...
Lord Warner | 733 c323-4 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I just wanted to make a couple of observations and ask the Minister a question on this gro...
Baroness Thornton | 733 c318 (Link to this contribution)
156: Clause 22, page 29, line 2, at end insert—
““( ) Subsection (1) shall not apply to any provider...
Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 733 c302-3 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I thank the noble Earl, Lord Howe, for his response. This has been a really good debate, w...
Baroness Williams of Crosby | 733 c320-1 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I have a great deal of sympathy with the intention behind this amendment. Noble Lords will...
Baroness Thornton | 733 c319-20 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I also speak to my other amendments in this group. Over supper my noble friend reminded me...
Lord Greaves | 733 c326 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, in brief response to the noble Lord, Lord Warner, I am not suggesting in any way that the ...
Baroness Masham of Ilton | 733 c326 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I spoke on Second Reading of the need for safeguards. These are important amendments. They...
Baroness Finlay of Llandaff | 733 c325-6 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, there is an additional area which I think means that the provisions in this Bill have to b...
Lord Warner | 733 c329-30 (Link to this contribution)
In moving Amendment 159 I shall also speak to Amendments 160 and 164 in my name. I start by emphasis...
Lord Warner | 733 c328 (Link to this contribution)
159: Clause 22, page 29, line 33, at end insert ““providing that it can demonstrate that it can meet...
Baroness Thornton | 733 c328 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I thank the Minister. He will know, as will all those who have been Ministers, that when w...
Baroness Thornton | 733 c327 (Link to this contribution)
Will the noble Earl acknowledge that there is a conflict of interest there? There must be a potentia...
Earl Howe | 733 c326-7 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I know full well that noble Lords have some concerns about the potential for conflict of i...
Lord Newton of Braintree | 733 c298-9 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I apologise for intervening a second time. I want to link with things I raised the first t...
Earl Howe | 733 c299-300 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, the principle behind clinical commissioning is that decisions about local services should ...
Baroness Wall of New Barnet | 733 c296-7 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, the noble Baroness, Lady Jolly, has made a very strong argument for what might happen in h...
Baroness Wall of New Barnet | 733 c297 (Link to this contribution)
In my experience, the PCTs, in a sense, do not exist any more, in my part of London; I am not sure a...
Lord Greaves | 733 c297 (Link to this contribution)
I am really impressed by the enthusiasm shown by the noble Baroness. I understand exactly what she s...
Baroness Wall of New Barnet | 733 c297 (Link to this contribution)
I cannot answer for the whole of London. I really do not know. What I do know is that the more the c...
Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 733 c297-8 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, perhaps I could intervene to say that I echo everything that my noble friend said about th...
Lord MacKenzie of Culkein | 733 c298 (Link to this contribution)
May I intervene briefly, as I have my name down to Amendment 168? This has been a very important deb...
Baroness Tonge | 733 c298 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, before the Minister gets up, I would like to ask him a very simple question. Noble Lords w...
Lord Mawhinney | 733 c300 (Link to this contribution)
My noble friend said that they would have to decide on the appropriate size. Does he know what that ...
Earl Howe | 733 c302 (Link to this contribution)
Yes, the noble Lord, Lord Hunt, suggested earlier that there was a process of shoe-horning CCGs into...
Earl Howe | 733 c301 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, in those instances, and they are very few, where a pathfinder CCG is of a manifestly unvia...
Lord Greaves | 733 c301 (Link to this contribution)
Is my noble friend, therefore telling me that a well defined borough with a population of 90,000 is ...
Earl Howe | 733 c300 (Link to this contribution)
I am grateful to my noble friend and I was coming on to that very point, which was a question posed ...
Lord Greaves | 733 c301 (Link to this contribution)
I apologise for intervening, but if that is the case can my noble friend the Minister tell me who to...
Earl Howe | 733 c301 (Link to this contribution)
Earlier on I noted that the noble Lord drew parallels between CCGs and his attempts when he was a Mi...
Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 733 c301-2 (Link to this contribution)
I do not think that is quite fair, since I was involved in setting up PCTs. I accept the strictures ...
Earl Howe | 733 c301 (Link to this contribution)
No my Lords, I am not aware of the specific circumstances that my noble friend refers to and of cour...
Lord Warner | 733 c301 (Link to this contribution)
I thought I would get my question in before the noble Lord gets warmed up again. He said there is no...
Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 733 c290 (Link to this contribution)
Would the noble Baroness give way? She has raised an interesting point. Could I describe the situati...
Lord James of Blackheath | 733 c291 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, could I ask the Minister a question that is definitely not medical and about which he migh...
Baroness Jolly | 733 c291 (Link to this contribution)
I have lost my thread. We are talking about Birmingham, which is humongous, and presumably any large...
Lord Warner | 733 c285-7 (Link to this contribution)
I speak to Amendment 157 which is aimed at containing the number of clinical commissioning groups an...
Lord Newton of Braintree | 733 c287 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, perhaps I may chip in once again in seeking that my noble friend should at least listen ve...
Baroness Finlay of Llandaff | 733 c287-9 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I have an amendment in this group. At first sight the group might seem loosely hung togeth...
Lord Mawhinney | 733 c289 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, the noble Baroness, Lady Finlay, was right when she said that these are important amendmen...
Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 733 c282 (Link to this contribution)
154: Clause 22, page 29, line 2, after ““services”” insert ““, primary dental services, primary phar...
Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 733 c282-5 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, my Amendment 154 brings us to a group of amendments which consider a number of interesting...
Lord Greaves | 733 c295-6 (Link to this contribution)
I assume so, but I have no personal knowledge of the processes that are leading to these outcomes. A...
Lord Greaves | 733 c293-5 (Link to this contribution)
I was going to make merely a brief intervention on this group on the question of coterminosity. Howe...
Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 733 c295 (Link to this contribution)
Has that potential CCG been told that it will not get authorised? I would think that that is the way...
Baroness Murphy | 733 c293 (Link to this contribution)
I agree; they were too small. However, if you want to get that balance and that advantage of the cli...
Lord Warner | 733 c292-3 (Link to this contribution)
There are very few things in health policy on which I disagree with the noble Baroness. However, thi...
Baroness Murphy | 733 c293 (Link to this contribution)
I do not disagree with the noble Lord, Lord Warner. It is absolutely true that there is a balance an...
Baroness Jolly | 733 c291-2 (Link to this contribution)
I think that the noble Lord’s point is well made. The noble Baroness, Lady Finlay, however, talked a...
Baroness Murphy | 733 c292 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, is not the whole point of the formation of clinical commissioning groups that it should be...
Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 733 c291 (Link to this contribution)
My point is that my amendment was a probing amendment to get some information from the Government ab...
Baroness Williams of Crosby | 733 c282 (Link to this contribution)
I should like to add a few words before considering whether or not to withdraw this amendment. The n...
Earl Howe | 733 c280-1 (Link to this contribution)
I take the point but I hope my noble friend will agree that I have an answer. The crucial point is t...
Lord Marks of Henley-on-Thames | 733 c280 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I am sorry to intervene at this stage but does my noble friend the Minister not accept tha...
Earl Howe | 733 c281-2 (Link to this contribution)
There are no areas that will be out of bounds to parliamentarians in the sense that the noble Barone...
Baroness Armstrong of Hill Top | 733 c281 (Link to this contribution)
Will there be issues around the National Health Service that Members of Parliament will not be able ...
Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 733 c278 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, does not the noble Lord make my point for me, apart from believing that the 2006 Act is pe...
Lord Marks of Henley-on-Thames | 733 c277-8 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, if the noble Lords, Lord Mawhinney and Lord Newton, are Tweedledum and Tweedledee, they ma...
Earl Howe | 733 c278-80 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, the policy of the Government and the vision that we have consistently set out is that Mini...
Lord Marks of Henley-on-Thames | 733 c278 (Link to this contribution)
The answer is that we are not at one about the vulnerability of my amendment to judicial review. I r...
Lord Mawhinney | 733 c277 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, the contributions of the noble Lords, Lord Marks and Lord Owen, demonstrate again why this...
Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 733 c276-7 (Link to this contribution)
Perhaps I could try to answer my noble friend. There are two reasons why this is important. First, t...
Lord Warner | 733 c276 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I am beginning to feel sorry for the Minister. He is getting a kicking from both sides of ...
Lord Newton of Braintree | 733 c275-6 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I wonder whether I could chip in, starting with an apology. As a result of the apparent ab...
Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 733 c274-5 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I remain very puzzled by what the noble Baroness, Lady Williams, said. There is no disagre...
Lord Owen | 733 c273-4 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I have followed with great interest the career of the noble Lord who has just spoken. He h...
Lord Marks of Henley-on-Thames | 733 c270-3 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, this is a most significant area of the Bill, as my noble friend Lady Williams of Crosby ha...
Baroness Williams of Crosby | 733 c269-70 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, may I offer a quick explanation to the noble Lord, Lord Hunt, and the Members of the Commi...
Baroness Williams of Crosby | 733 c269 (Link to this contribution)
153: Clause 20, page 23, line 34, leave out from ““failing”” to ““, and”” in line 35 and insert ““to...
Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 733 c269 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, that is exactly the point I was going to raise. Originally my Amendment 152 was grouped wi...
Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 733 c269 (Link to this contribution)
152: Clause 20, page 23, line 29, leave out from beginning to end of line 5 on page 24 and insert—
“...
Baroness Emerton | 733 c243-4 (Link to this contribution)
138: Clause 20, page 20, line 2, at end insert—
““13O1 Duty as to staffing ratios of registered and ...
Baroness Emerton | 733 c244-6 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, while workforce planning is to be a devolved activity at local commissioning level, this B...
Baroness Murphy | 733 c247 (Link to this contribution)
We have been urged to hurry up today; we have all heard of speed dating so this is going to be speed...
Lord MacKenzie of Culkein | 733 c248-9 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, my name is down on this group of amendments. I very much agree with what the noble Barones...
Lord Walton of Detchant | 733 c247-8 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I, too, wish to support the principles underlying the amendment proposed by my noble frien...
Lord Newton of Braintree | 733 c250 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I wonder if I might come in on the side of the ““sympathy but”” brigade, which makes me a ...
Baroness Finlay of Llandaff | 733 c249-50 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I added my name to these amendments, so eloquently introduced, with the evidence behind th...
Lord Patel | 733 c250-1 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I have my name to this amendment and I support it. I agree with all the comments that the ...
Baroness Thornton | 733 c251-2 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I thank the noble Baroness, Lady Emerton, the noble Lord, Lord Patel, and my noble friend ...
Earl Howe | 733 c253-4 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, these amendments from the noble Baroness, Lady Emerton, clearly reflect an important issue...
Baroness Pitkeathley | 733 c251 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, we shall have extensive debates about regulation at a later stage of the Bill, but it is i...
Baroness Howe of Idlicote | 733 c251 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I have listened to what has been said by all these expert professionals and I am very much...
Lord Warner | 733 c255-6 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I rise to speak to Amendments 146, 148 and 149 in my name, and in support of Amendment 151...
Lord Warner | 733 c255 (Link to this contribution)
146: Clause 20, page 21, line 19, at end insert ““including its annual operating costs as defined in...
Baroness Emerton | 733 c254 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I thank the noble Lords who have taken part in this debate, which has opened up many quest...
Lord Beecham | 733 c257 (Link to this contribution)
The noble Lady encapsulates in about two minutes the thrust of what I said in five; she is precisely...
Baroness Tonge | 733 c257 (Link to this contribution)
Before the noble Lord sits down, I would like to remind him and the House that several Committee ses...
Baroness Bakewell | 733 c260-2 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I rise to speak to Amendment 150B and 320ZB. As with the others that I have proposed to th...
Earl Howe | 733 c260 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, the cost of transition was certainly very much an issue that was thought about when the ri...
Baroness Bakewell | 733 c260 (Link to this contribution)
150B: Clause 20, page 21, line 39, at end insert—
““( ) how effectively the NHS services meet the ne...
Earl Howe | 733 c259 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I am not sure what question the noble Lord is asking me.
Lord Beecham | 733 c260 (Link to this contribution)
Do the list of issues that are covered in the risk register include the question of the costs of tra...
Lord Beecham | 733 c259 (Link to this contribution)
When the Minister writes to us about the risk register, would he indicate whether this topic of the ...
Earl Howe | 733 c259 (Link to this contribution)
This is one area where the Secretary of State has a direct interest to ensure that administrative co...
Lord Warner | 733 c259 (Link to this contribution)
Can the noble Earl explain to us, in writing, the comparison between the current costs of the bodies...
Earl Howe | 733 c258-9 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I recognise from everything the noble Lord, Lord Warner, said that these amendments have b...
Lord Mawhinney | 733 c257-8 (Link to this contribution)
I share the view expressed by the noble Lord, Lord Beecham, of extending appreciation to the noble L...
Baroness Wheeler | 733 c265-6 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I am pleased to speak in support of Amendment 150B from my noble friend Lady Bakewell, req...
Earl Howe | 733 c266-9 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, let me begin by saying that I am sympathetic to these amendments, moved with customary per...
Baroness Bakewell | 733 c269 (Link to this contribution)
I thank the Minister for that detailed response to the amendment. I also thank my noble friends for ...
Countess of Mar | 733 c269 (Link to this contribution)
Before I call Amendment 152, I have to tell noble Lords that if Amendment 152 is agreed to, I cannot...
Baroness Pitkeathley | 733 c263 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, in rising to speak in strong support of the amendments moved by my noble friend, I want to...
Lord Walton of Detchant | 733 c263 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, it will not surprise your Lordships to learn that this is an issue in which I take an incr...
Baroness Wall of New Barnet | 733 c264-5 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I, too, support Amendment 327ZB, tabled by the noble Baroness, Lady Bakewell, and her earl...
Lord Owen | 733 c263-4 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I had not expected to speak but I thought that the case put forward by the noble Baroness,...
Baroness Jolly | 733 c262-3 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I support the noble Baroness, Lady Bakewell, in her plea for a commissioner for older peop...
Baroness Finlay of Llandaff | 733 c262 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I apologise to the House for missing the noble Baroness, Lady Bakewell’s opening remarks. ...
Lord Patel | 733 c357 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I do not think that the Minister answered the question that I asked about the performance ...
Baroness Hollins | 733 c345-7 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I shall speak to three amendments in this group. The purpose of Amendment 203B is to ensur...
Lord Alderdice | 733 c333-4 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, lest it be thought that we were all wholly of one mind on these Benches in regard to some ...
Earl Howe | 733 c327-8 (Link to this contribution)
I do not disagree with any of these principles, but I am not sure whether the noble Baroness underst...
Lord Greaves | 733 c297 (Link to this contribution)
What the noble Baroness, Lady Wall, says is very interesting. Does she understand what the future pa...
Baroness Jolly | 733 c289-90 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I have supported the idea of co-terminosity from when I first saw the Bill in January. It ...
Lord Alderdice | 733 c246 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I have a good deal of sympathy with the thoughts behind the amendment in the name of the n...
Lord Beecham | 733 c256-7 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, these amendments deal specifically with the national Commissioning Board, but of course th...
Baroness Finlay of Llandaff | 733 c327 (Link to this contribution)
Before the Minister responds, I wonder if he could also explain why clinical commissioning groups wo...
Notes
Includes continuation of debate 30th November, which appears in volume 733 c341-80.
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