Legal Aid, Sentencing and Punishment of Offenders Bill. Motion to widen the scope of the Bill at Report stage. Agreed to on question.
Ordered that, notwithstanding that such provisions could not have been proposed in Committee without an Instruction from the House, amendments may be proposed on Consideration of the Legal Aid, Sentencing and Punishment of Offenders Bill to—
(a) provide for measures against the payment or receipt of referral fees in connection with the provision of legal services,
(b) create a new offence relating to squatting, and
(c) amend section 76 of the Criminal Justice and Immigration Act 2008 (reasonable force for purposes of self-defence etc).
Programme motion (No. 2) on proceedings on Report and Thrid reading. Agreed to on division (292 votes to 209). Report stage debate first day. Schedule 1 considered. Some amendments made, others negatived or withdrawn. Bill to be further considered tomorrow.
[Relevant Documents: The Third Report from the Justice Committee, on the Government's proposed reform of legal aid, HC 681, and the Government's response thereto, Cm 8111]
Legal Aid, Sentencing and Punishment of Offenders Bill
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Parliamentary proceeding
Reference
534 c620-728 
Session
2010-12
Legislative stage
Report stage
Chamber / Committee
House of Commons chamber
Legal Aid, Sentencing and Punishment of Offenders Bill. As amended in Public Bill Committee.
Thursday, 13 October 2011
Bills
House of Commons
Thursday, 13 October 2011
Bills
House of Commons
The Government's proposed reform of legal aid. Government reponse to the Justice Select Committee's third report of session 2010-11. (HC 681).
Tuesday, 21 June 2011
Command papers
House of Commons
Tuesday, 21 June 2011
Command papers
House of Commons
The Government's proposed reform of legal aid. Justice Select Committee third report with formal minutes, evidence and appendices. Additional written evidence is contained in volume III, available on the committee website at www.parliament.uk/justicecttee
Tuesday, 15 March 2011
Parliamentary committees
House of Commons
Tuesday, 15 March 2011
Parliamentary committees
House of Commons
Proceeding contributions
Jonathan Djanogly | 534 c641 (Link to this contribution)
If my hon. Friend will let me finish, I will allow her to intervene again later.
The reference to “...
Helen Grant | 534 c640 (Link to this contribution)
Does the Minister not accept that the fact that the definition is not specific has the potential to ...
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Susan Elan Jones | 534 c642 (Link to this contribution)
Organisations such as the National Federation of Women's Institutes and Women's Aid declare that the...
Jonathan Djanogly | 534 c641-2 (Link to this contribution)
I am happy to confirm that this particular definition is not directly related to saving money. It is...
Joan Ruddock | 534 c639 (Link to this contribution)
Will the Minister give way?
Jonathan Djanogly | 534 c639 (Link to this contribution)
I really must make some headway. If the right hon. Lady will give me a few minutes, I might allow he...
Caroline Lucas | 534 c639 (Link to this contribution)
Will the Minister explain why a different definition is being used here from that used in other Home...
Jonathan Djanogly | 534 c638 (Link to this contribution)
The Government have changed the law through a pre-action protocol. The position from this April has ...
Jonathan Djanogly | 534 c638 (Link to this contribution)
My right hon. Friend makes an important point. I can tell him and other hon. Members that it has bec...
Jonathan Djanogly | 534 c638 (Link to this contribution)
I am afraid that the hon. Lady misunderstands the nature of mediation. In normal circumstances, it i...
Sadiq Khan | 534 c628 (Link to this contribution)
If the right hon. and learned Gentleman is so happy to have a debate, why is he so scared? Let us ha...
Simon Hughes | 534 c628 (Link to this contribution)
We should recognise that the Government have been unusually generous in providing more time for Repo...
Jonathan Djanogly | 534 c628-9 (Link to this contribution)
The right hon. Member for Tooting (Sadiq Khan) mentioned various changes that have been proposed by ...
Speaker | 534 c633-5 (Link to this contribution)
With this it will be convenient to discuss the following:
Jim Cunningham | 534 c636 (Link to this contribution)
Has the Minister made an assessment of the amendments' impact on organisations in Coventry such as t...
Sheila Gilmore | 534 c637 (Link to this contribution)
Does the Minister not accept that in many cases where people are separating or divorcing, there is a...
Jonathan Djanogly | 534 c658 (Link to this contribution)
It is the case that the ACPO definition and the definition in the Bill are broadly similar.
Helen Goodman | 534 c657-8 (Link to this contribution)
As the Minister said, we debated this issue in general at some length in Committee. I shall speak in...
Sandra Osborne | 534 c656 (Link to this contribution)
Does my hon. Friend agree that many women go backwards and forwards to the likes of Women's Aid time...
Andy Slaughter | 534 c656 (Link to this contribution)
The hon. Gentleman is being a little pernickety. It is a practical reality that in many cases volunt...
Tom Brake | 534 c657 (Link to this contribution)
In Committee, our debates on domestic violence were among the most heated, because of the seriousnes...
Andy Slaughter | 534 c656-7 (Link to this contribution)
I am grateful to my hon. Friend for sharing her experience.
Contrary to the Government's guidance, ...
Ben Gummer | 534 c656 (Link to this contribution)
On paragraph (j) of the hon. Gentleman's amendment, I can see where he is heading, but would that re...
Andy Slaughter | 534 c655-6 (Link to this contribution)
If he wishes, I will give the Minister the opportunity to intervene on me, and to reply to the hon. ...
Ben Gummer | 534 c656 (Link to this contribution)
I am genuinely trying to helpful, though I know that the hon. Gentleman might find that difficult to...
Andy Slaughter | 534 c656 (Link to this contribution)
I think the hon. Gentleman is trying to be helpful, but he is over-complicating matters. He is also ...
Helen Grant | 534 c655 (Link to this contribution)
On a point of clarification concerning the undertaking, which my hon. Friend the Member for South Sw...
Andy Slaughter | 534 c653-5 (Link to this contribution)
I will come to that later in my speech, but it was exactly the point that I tried unsuccessfully, as...
Kate Green | 534 c653 (Link to this contribution)
Does my hon. Friend agree that women who are particularly fearful will not go to formal sources of s...
Andy Slaughter | 534 c653 (Link to this contribution)
We all have similar cases in our constituencies, and I am sure that the Minister must have, too. Tho...
Lyn Brown | 534 c653 (Link to this contribution)
I have here a report from a local newspaper. Kay Atwal, a reporter on the Newham Recorder, describes...
Andy Slaughter | 534 c652-3 (Link to this contribution)
My right hon. Friend is right. Only 40% of women who suffer domestic violence report it at all, and ...
Joan Ruddock | 534 c652 (Link to this contribution)
Is my hon. Friend aware that many victims of domestic violence have a great sense of shame, and feel...
Andy Slaughter | 534 c651-2 (Link to this contribution)
I shall try to be a little briefer than the Minister—[Hon. Members: ““Hear, hear!””] I was about to ...
Jonathan Djanogly | 534 c651 (Link to this contribution)
I certainly agree with my right hon. Friend that some immigration cases are complex, and I think tha...
Simon Hughes | 534 c651 (Link to this contribution)
My office handles a lot of asylum and immigration cases, and of course some of them are entirely str...
Jonathan Djanogly | 534 c647-9 (Link to this contribution)
Amendments 94 to 102 have been selected.
Under amendment 98, a section 37 direction, regardless of ...
Geraint Davies | 534 c647 (Link to this contribution)
May I ask why the Minister is discussing amendments that have not been selected by the Speaker? He s...
Jonathan Djanogly | 534 c650-1 (Link to this contribution)
We do have figures, but I do not happen to have them with me. I will write to the hon. Gentleman wit...
Michael Connarty | 534 c649 (Link to this contribution)
In the analysis of the evidence of the number of cases that actually had used judicial review to hav...
Jonathan Djanogly | 534 c644 (Link to this contribution)
Those numbers may overlap to some extent; in other words, someone might not have been prosecuted as ...
Helen Goodman | 534 c644 (Link to this contribution)
Surely the Minister can see that there is a 21,000 gap between the numbers of those prosecuted and t...
Jonathan Djanogly | 534 c644-5 (Link to this contribution)
That relates to amendment 74. I am going to deal with it and I am sure that my hon. Friend will be p...
Helen Grant | 534 c644 (Link to this contribution)
Post-separation violence is very common in domestic violence cases. I am concerned that there is a 1...
Jonathan Djanogly | 534 c645-6 (Link to this contribution)
The answer is that they can get legal aid to take those proceedings.
Amendment 93 would provide for...
Sheila Gilmore | 534 c645 (Link to this contribution)
Will the Minister explain how the individual achieves the finding of fact in a family court in order...
Kate Green | 534 c644 (Link to this contribution)
Will the fact that there is, for example, a non-molestation order be taken as evidence of suitabilit...
Jonathan Djanogly | 534 c643-4 (Link to this contribution)
I shall make a little more progress first.
The forms of evidence that will be accepted for this pur...
Sheila Gilmore | 534 c643 (Link to this contribution)
Will the Minister give way?
Jonathan Djanogly | 534 c644 (Link to this contribution)
Yes, it will be. The hon. Lady makes a very important point, which has come up in consultation and h...
Joan Ruddock | 534 c662 (Link to this contribution)
The right hon. Gentleman makes an utterly compelling case—I agree with it totally and I wish to vote...
Simon Hughes | 534 c662 (Link to this contribution)
In one sense, the right hon. Lady makes an absolutely reasonable proposition. I am determined that w...
Simon Hughes | 534 c662 (Link to this contribution)
No, it is not pathetic at all. Let me say to the right hon. Member for Lewisham, Deptford that there...
Elfyn Llwyd | 534 c662 (Link to this contribution)
With respect to the right hon. Member for Bermondsey and Old Southwark (Simon Hughes), that speech w...
Simon Hughes | 534 c662 (Link to this contribution)
I know the right hon. Gentleman was there. As I understand it, this issue was not debated in Committ...
Elfyn Llwyd | 534 c662-4 (Link to this contribution)
Later on, I shall speak to my amendment that partially deals with this matter, and the right hon. Ge...
Madeleine Moon | 534 c664 (Link to this contribution)
Does the right hon. Gentleman agree that the problem is that we are coming from different directions...
Simon Hughes | 534 c661-2 (Link to this contribution)
It might or might not surprise the hon. Lady to hear that I was not at the Conservative party confer...
Yasmin Qureshi | 534 c661 (Link to this contribution)
I agree with the right hon. Gentleman. At the Conservative party conference, the Home Secretary gave...
Simon Hughes | 534 c659-60 (Link to this contribution)
I will speak briefly on amendment 145, which the Minister has addressed and on which I asked him a q...
Joan Ruddock | 534 c660 (Link to this contribution)
The right hon. Gentleman is indeed my neighbour and we share such cases. Perhaps I can help him by g...
Helen Goodman | 534 c659 (Link to this contribution)
It is indeed. We heard that from the hon. Member for Maidstone and The Weald (Mrs Grant), who made s...
Simon Hughes | 534 c660 (Link to this contribution)
I am trying to be quick, but I will.
Madeleine Moon | 534 c660 (Link to this contribution)
Does the right hon. Gentleman agree that an increasing difficulty for the people he is describing is...
Simon Hughes | 534 c660 (Link to this contribution)
The right hon. Lady gives a good example. It is often people with difficult personal circumstances w...
Madeleine Moon | 534 c660 (Link to this contribution)
Will the right hon. Gentleman give way?
Simon Hughes | 534 c660-1 (Link to this contribution)
I understand the hon. Lady's point. My right hon. Friend the Member for Carshalton and Wallington an...
Lord Beith | 534 c621 (Link to this contribution)
I happen to be sympathetic to all three things the Secretary of State is trying to do, but surely he...
Lord Clarke of Nottingham | 534 c621 (Link to this contribution)
I will address that when we reach the amendments in two days' time—[Interruption.] Well, that is exa...
Lord Clarke of Nottingham | 534 c620-1 (Link to this contribution)
I have been fascinated by the proceedings while I have been waiting to move the motion. I beg to mov...
Keith Vaz | 534 c628 (Link to this contribution)
On knife crime, I do not know whether my right hon. Friend saw the Lord Chancellor's helpful and ent...
Lord Clarke of Nottingham | 534 c628 (Link to this contribution)
To assist the right hon. Gentleman in his preparation for the debate on knife crime, the Chairman of...
Sadiq Khan | 534 c627 (Link to this contribution)
I thank the Minister for his declaration of interest.
My hon. Friend the Member for Rhondda (Chris ...
Chris Bryant | 534 c624 (Link to this contribution)
If Secretary of State is not embarrassed, as he now suggests, he has gone down in my estimation.
Th...
Lord Clarke of Nottingham | 534 c624 (Link to this contribution)
indicated dissent.
Chris Bryant | 534 c624 (Link to this contribution)
Precisely, and it is a bad idea to add to a Bill that is already pretty much a Christmas tree Bill a...
Chris Bryant | 534 c623-4 (Link to this contribution)
I am grateful to the Secretary of State for allowing me to intervene on his intervention, but his ba...
Sadiq Khan | 534 c622-3 (Link to this contribution)
May I begin my reassuring the Justice Secretary that we will not divide the House on the motion? We ...
Tom Brake | 534 c623 (Link to this contribution)
I rise to make a few brief comments. First, I welcome the fact that the Government are making propos...
Speaker | 534 c719 (Link to this contribution)
Order. I ask the Serjeant at Arms to investigate the delay in the Aye Lobby.
Speaker | 534 c718 (Link to this contribution)
Order. When a Member is announcing the result of a vote, the House really must be calm and listen. T...
Jonathan Djanogly | 534 c713 (Link to this contribution)
The hon. Member for Kingston upon Hull East asked how such cases can be excluded from scope. We cons...
Speaker | 534 c713 (Link to this contribution)
Order. The Minister is not quite enjoying the studious attention of the House that I feel sure his w...
Elfyn Llwyd | 534 c713-4 (Link to this contribution)
I beg to ask leave to withdraw the amendment.
Amendment, by leave, withdrawn.
The Speaker put fort...
Speaker | 534 c713 (Link to this contribution)
Does the right hon. Gentleman wish to press his amendment?
Jonathan Djanogly | 534 c712-3 (Link to this contribution)
I hope those many people will be as unimpressed as I am by what the hon. Gentleman just said.
Let m...
Jonathan Djanogly | 534 c712 (Link to this contribution)
I say to the hon. Gentleman that I have enjoyed listening to my hon. Friends and to some of his hon....
Andy Slaughter | 534 c712 (Link to this contribution)
We spent the first 10 minutes of this debate talking about the Minister's declaration of interests, ...
Jonathan Djanogly | 534 c711 (Link to this contribution)
My response to that applies more broadly than to just cerebral palsy. We believe that the NHS Litiga...
Guy Opperman | 534 c711 (Link to this contribution)
On the tricky issue of cerebral palsy among children, would the Minister consider persuading NHS tru...
Jonathan Djanogly | 534 c710-1 (Link to this contribution)
My hon. Friend's point goes back to children and their eligibility on the basis of income. A certifi...
Claire O'Neill | 534 c710 (Link to this contribution)
Will the Minister clarify whether eligibility will be income based or based on the child's condition...
Speaker | 534 c712 (Link to this contribution)
Order. I think that we have got the gist of it.
Andy Slaughter | 534 c711-2 (Link to this contribution)
It is good to hear the Minister talking about possible future concessions in this area. To be fair t...
Desmond Swayne | 534 c711 (Link to this contribution)
That is the third time that my hon. Friend has referred to human rights. It is as if he was delibera...
Jonathan Djanogly | 534 c709 (Link to this contribution)
As I have said before, we estimate that the vast majority of the £6 million will be for complex and ...
Neil Carmichael | 534 c709-10 (Link to this contribution)
CFAs are awarded in circumstances where the parents will be in a state of considerable grief, or at ...
Jonathan Djanogly | 534 c710 (Link to this contribution)
Indeed. As is currently the case, the solicitors awarding the CFA would have to look at the merits a...
Robert Buckland | 534 c707 (Link to this contribution)
I pay tribute to the hon. Member for Kingston upon Hull East (Karl Turner), who speaks from professi...
Amber Rudd | 534 c708 (Link to this contribution)
On the impact assessment, have the Government assessed how many children who would previously have q...
Jonathan Djanogly | 534 c708 (Link to this contribution)
Let me first set out the scope of what we are talking about. Clinical negligence spend through legal...
Elfyn Llwyd | 534 c709 (Link to this contribution)
The difference between those two cases is that the person damaged by a drunk driver would undoubtedl...
Jonathan Djanogly | 534 c708 (Link to this contribution)
That is a hard to say, because it depends on the extent to which children will come within the scope...
Sarah Newton | 534 c709 (Link to this contribution)
I understand the point that my hon. Friend is trying to make, but there is still great concern among...
Jonathan Djanogly | 534 c709 (Link to this contribution)
The injured person could make a claim, but so could the person who suffered clinical negligence. The...
Ben Gummer | 534 c680 (Link to this contribution)
Again, I regret what the shadow Minister has said. On several occasions, I have sat through three ho...
Ben Gummer | 534 c680 (Link to this contribution)
Again, the hon. Lady speaks with far more experience than I on this matter, and I was getting to her...
Andy Slaughter | 534 c680 (Link to this contribution)
The hon. Gentleman clearly was not listening when my hon. Friend the Member for Stretford and Urmsto...
Ben Gummer | 534 c682 (Link to this contribution)
As ever, I am pleased by the right hon. Gentleman's intervention because he highlights an inconsiste...
Ben Gummer | 534 c680-1 (Link to this contribution)
That was one speech. On several occasions, we had three-hour speeches where points were recycled and...
Elfyn Llwyd | 534 c681 (Link to this contribution)
What about the fantastic announcement today of the three areas of law that are to be slid into the B...
Ben Gummer | 534 c678-9 (Link to this contribution)
As ever, it is difficult to disagree with even a scintilla of what my hon. Friend the Member for Sou...
Fiona Mactaggart | 534 c679 (Link to this contribution)
Is not the issue whether the victims can have access to the solution? This is not about the state or...
Robert Buckland | 534 c678 (Link to this contribution)
I am sorry the hon. Lady takes that view. I listened to her speech very carefully, and I was glad th...
Glenda Jackson | 534 c676 (Link to this contribution)
In the hon. Gentleman's argument—and, more centrally, in the Government's argument—no consideration ...
Robert Buckland | 534 c676-7 (Link to this contribution)
I am, as always, grateful to the hon. Lady because she makes measured contributions, and I shall res...
Mark Menzies | 534 c677 (Link to this contribution)
It is important that we do not think of this issue only in terms of the relationship between a husba...
Speaker | 534 c677 (Link to this contribution)
Order. The hon. Gentleman has only recently entered the Chamber, and he ought not to have intervened...
Robert Buckland | 534 c677 (Link to this contribution)
I am extremely grateful to my hon. Friend for making the point about elder abuse. It often occurs in...
Robert Buckland | 534 c677 (Link to this contribution)
The hon. Gentleman is right, and I am sure that he will have come across appalling instances of the ...
Sheila Gilmore | 534 c678 (Link to this contribution)
I would like to know where the hon. Gentleman's speech is going. This debate is about the fact that ...
Glenda Jackson | 534 c674 (Link to this contribution)
With all due respect, I am having difficulty following the logic of the hon. Gentleman's argument. H...
Robert Buckland | 534 c675-6 (Link to this contribution)
I am very grateful to the hon. Lady, and I am happy to do so. We agree that when a woman presents he...
Elfyn Llwyd | 534 c692 (Link to this contribution)
That is the point. Unless and until there is full disclosure at the very earliest point, these cases...
Stephen Phillips | 534 c692 (Link to this contribution)
The hon. Gentleman will obviously have absolutely no doubt about the bona fides of the charges that ...
Elfyn Llwyd | 534 c692 (Link to this contribution)
I do not have any cases with me today, but I can assure the hon. Gentleman that I would not make the...
Karl Turner | 534 c692 (Link to this contribution)
Does the hon. Gentleman agree that it is often the public policy of these authorities—certainly, in ...
Elfyn Llwyd | 534 c691-2 (Link to this contribution)
I will be brief, because other hon. Members wish to speak and, crucially, we need to get to the soci...
Stephen Phillips | 534 c692 (Link to this contribution)
The hon. Gentleman is making a very serious charge against public authorities, and indeed those who ...
Elfyn Llwyd | 534 c690 (Link to this contribution)
I beg to move amendment 80, page 99, line 21, leave out 'other than' and insert 'including'.
Speaker | 534 c690-1 (Link to this contribution)
With this it will be convenient to discuss the following:
Jonathan Djanogly | 534 c689-90 (Link to this contribution)
My right hon. Friend makes a good point. High levels of successful appeals perhaps show that too man...
Jonathan Djanogly | 534 c686-9 (Link to this contribution)
No. Our proposals are aimed at ensuring that those who are subjected to domestic violence are those ...
Lord Beith | 534 c689 (Link to this contribution)
What that 61% success rate on appeal demonstrates is a bad decision-making system. Ought not the Min...
Jonathan Djanogly | 534 c683 (Link to this contribution)
First, let me confirm to my hon. Friend the Member for South Swindon (Mr Buckland) and other hon. Me...
Kate Green | 534 c683 (Link to this contribution)
I am not going to give the Minister an example of that. If he is so sure that there is such an overl...
Jonathan Djanogly | 534 c683-6 (Link to this contribution)
I look forward to the hon. Lady providing her reasons why that should be the case.
The right hon. G...
Fiona Mactaggart | 534 c686 (Link to this contribution)
The hon. Gentleman is concerned that there might be a rise in unfounded allegations of domestic viol...
Elfyn Llwyd | 534 c682 (Link to this contribution)
The hon. Gentleman was waxing lyrical about the absence of time to discuss Opposition amendments, bu...
Ben Gummer | 534 c682 (Link to this contribution)
The right hon. Gentleman misses my point about the Public Bill Committee. There are many issues that...
Andy Slaughter | 534 c682 (Link to this contribution)
What does this have to do with the debate?
Ben Gummer | 534 c682-3 (Link to this contribution)
I am just coming to that if the hon. Gentleman will listen.
When they table amendments, the Opposit...
Robert Buckland | 534 c673-4 (Link to this contribution)
It is a pleasure to contribute to the Report stage of the Bill. As a Government Back Bencher, I sat ...
Kate Green | 534 c670-1 (Link to this contribution)
I speak in support of amendment 74 and endorse many of the comments made by the hon. Member for Brig...
Sheila Gilmore | 534 c673 (Link to this contribution)
I agree with my hon. Friend. Earlier speeches gave us the impression that we were retreating to an e...
Speaker | 534 c673 (Link to this contribution)
Order. We must have shorter interventions.
Madeleine Moon | 534 c673 (Link to this contribution)
All too recently the Government wanted to give anonymity to male rapists. Now women who face domesti...
Sheila Gilmore | 534 c672-3 (Link to this contribution)
As far as I am aware, there is no such evidence. What the Minister has in mind is perhaps just an un...
Yasmin Qureshi | 534 c672 (Link to this contribution)
Does my hon. Friend agree that there is no statistical evidence to show that reports of false allega...
Sheila Gilmore | 534 c671 (Link to this contribution)
I have an interest to declare, as I have worked as a family lawyer and predominantly in legal aid ov...
Kate Green | 534 c671 (Link to this contribution)
Indeed, the Minister was more concerned to avoid the number of false allegations that he seems to re...
Andy Slaughter | 534 c671 (Link to this contribution)
My hon. Friend is absolutely right and made the point better than I did. Of course, the UK Border Ag...
Glenda Jackson | 534 c670 (Link to this contribution)
There is another element in the situation to which the hon. Lady refers. Indeed, I have more than on...
Caroline Lucas | 534 c670 (Link to this contribution)
I thank the hon. Lady for her intervention, which raised a really important point. It underlines the...
Yasmin Qureshi | 534 c666 (Link to this contribution)
Does the right hon. Gentleman agree that the criminal courts accepted many years ago that in crimina...
Elfyn Llwyd | 534 c665-6 (Link to this contribution)
The hon. Lady is absolutely right. When we take into account housing costs, benefits and all kinds o...
Caroline Lucas | 534 c668-70 (Link to this contribution)
I rise to speak to my amendments 23 and 113. I shall be brief, because we have much business to get ...
Elfyn Llwyd | 534 c666-8 (Link to this contribution)
Yes, and I wonder about the quality of the evidence coming out of that flawed process.
I was assist...
Catherine McKinnell | 534 c665 (Link to this contribution)
Will the right hon. Gentleman give way?
Elfyn Llwyd | 534 c664-5 (Link to this contribution)
I have to agree with the hon. Lady, and I would pray in aid another point about the more general civ...
Catherine McKinnell | 534 c665 (Link to this contribution)
The right hon. Gentleman is making a powerful case about the impact that the Bill will have not just...
Elfyn Llwyd | 534 c665 (Link to this contribution)
I will give way, but briefly, because other Members wish to speak.
Stephen Phillips | 534 c697 (Link to this contribution)
May I say what an enormous pleasure it is to follow the hon. Member for Kingston upon Hull East (Kar...
Stephen Phillips | 534 c697 (Link to this contribution)
I am grateful, but I see Mr Deputy Speaker in the Chair this evening. I am sure that if I am out of ...
Andy Slaughter | 534 c697 (Link to this contribution)
I felt that the hon. Gentleman was about to get into a long peroration that would be more suitable f...
Stephen Phillips | 534 c698-9 (Link to this contribution)
I am extremely grateful, Mr Deputy Speaker. The simple fact is that these amendments, which seek to ...
Speaker | 534 c697 (Link to this contribution)
Order. I think Mr Slaughter needs to calm down.
Stephen Phillips | 534 c699-700 (Link to this contribution)
I am grateful to the right hon. Gentleman for his observations, but I venture to suggest that he may...
Elfyn Llwyd | 534 c699 (Link to this contribution)
The hon. and learned Gentleman makes very good points. I tried to say that there should be a twin-tr...
Speaker | 534 c700 (Link to this contribution)
I call Sir Alan Beith.
Elfyn Llwyd | 534 c693 (Link to this contribution)
If the hon. Gentleman will bear with me, I will go back to my script; he may be interested to hear t...
Steve Barclay | 534 c692 (Link to this contribution)
If it is a management issue, then that, as we have seen in the Public Accounts Committee, goes to th...
Karl Turner | 534 c694 (Link to this contribution)
Does the right hon. Gentleman want his amendment to be pressed to a Division?
Tom Brake | 534 c693-4 (Link to this contribution)
I rise to make a few brief comments, particularly in relation to amendment 132, which appears in my ...
Elfyn Llwyd | 534 c693 (Link to this contribution)
The number of cases each year because of accidents or negligence has not really increased. It has be...
Steve Barclay | 534 c693 (Link to this contribution)
The right hon. Gentleman's remarks are addressing supply, not demand. He is not addressing why there...
Karl Turner | 534 c695-7 (Link to this contribution)
I rise to speak to amendment 142, which is in my name and those of my hon. Friend the Member for Ham...
Tom Brake | 534 c694-5 (Link to this contribution)
I thank the hon. and learned Gentleman for his intervention, even if he has identified a flaw in my ...
Stephen Phillips | 534 c694 (Link to this contribution)
As I understand it, amendment 132 relates to medical negligence within the scope of the European con...
Tom Brake | 534 c694 (Link to this contribution)
My colleagues and I will get used to interventions of that nature, but the hon. Gentleman will not b...
Speaker | 534 c706 (Link to this contribution)
Order. I am not absolutely sure in my mind, so the hon. Gentleman might wish to indicate, whether he...
Guy Opperman | 534 c705-6 (Link to this contribution)
With respect, there are ways forward on those issues, not least the idea of a joint report to be com...
Guy Opperman | 534 c706 (Link to this contribution)
I am grateful for the advice and assistance, Mr Speaker, and I will conclude in approximately one an...
Baroness Laing of Elderslie | 534 c705 (Link to this contribution)
Will my hon. Friend give way?
Guy Opperman | 534 c704-5 (Link to this contribution)
I did not expect to be attacked by my own side for my former profession. I agree that we all need to...
Baroness Laing of Elderslie | 534 c705 (Link to this contribution)
Does my hon. Friend agree that the difference between mistakes made by his profession, which is also...
Guy Opperman | 534 c705 (Link to this contribution)
I will, but for the last time.
Guy Opperman | 534 c706 (Link to this contribution)
I am most grateful to the hon. Gentleman for that observation—from his usual sedentary position. If ...
Guy Opperman | 534 c703-4 (Link to this contribution)
I totally endorse that point and such defendants are punished accordingly, particularly in the punit...
Stephen Phillips | 534 c703 (Link to this contribution)
I make it clear for the fourth time that I have no experience in this area, and I have no doubt that...
Lord Beith | 534 c701-2 (Link to this contribution)
I apologise to my hon. and learned Friend the Member for Sleaford and North Hykeham (Stephen Phillip...
Stephen Phillips | 534 c701 (Link to this contribution)
Well, it may be an area the Government have to come back to. The amendment would change schedule 1 a...
Tom Brake | 534 c701 (Link to this contribution)
My hon. and learned Friend highlighted a flaw in the drafting of the amendment, but in his contribut...
Stephen Phillips | 534 c700-1 (Link to this contribution)
The amendment proposed by my right hon. Friend the Member for Carshalton and Wallington (Tom Brake) ...
Lord Beith | 534 c700 (Link to this contribution)
I apologise to my hon. and learned Friend; I thought he had concluded his speech.
Guy Opperman | 534 c704 (Link to this contribution)
I am grateful to my hon. Friend for his intervention, but I will not deal with it in any great detai...
Neil Carmichael | 534 c704 (Link to this contribution)
This is not really my field, but I know from my constituents that a large number of them who have ex...
Lord Harrington of Watford | 534 c704 (Link to this contribution)
Does my hon. Friend think that that phenomenon is unique to the medical profession? Does it apply to...
Helen Goodman | 534 c658-9 (Link to this contribution)
Broadly, yes, but not precisely—that is the problem. About an hour and a half ago, the Minister accu...
Jonathan Djanogly | 534 c711 (Link to this contribution)
I am referring to human rights mainly in relation to exceptional cases where the money would indeed ...
Jeremy Corbyn | 534 c677 (Link to this contribution)
Earlier, the hon. Gentleman made the valid point that in the past the police did not take domestic v...
Elfyn Llwyd | 534 c692 (Link to this contribution)
I would speculate and say that it is probably to do with management rather than protecting individua...
Guy Opperman | 534 c702-3 (Link to this contribution)
I think I am unique in this House in that I have had a great deal of experience in the area of clini...
Lord Beith | 534 c637-8 (Link to this contribution)
Is it not also important to point out that the family courts have great difficulty dealing with cont...
Jonathan Djanogly | 534 c633 (Link to this contribution)
I beg to move amendment 10, page 99, line 11, leave out from 'where' to first 'for' in line 13 and i...
Debbie Abrahams | 534 c659 (Link to this contribution)
Does my hon. Friend agree that the Government's impact assessment shows how narrow the definition is...
Stephen Phillips | 534 c700 (Link to this contribution)
With the leave of the House, I was about to make my final few remarks.
Jonathan Djanogly | 534 c640 (Link to this contribution)
I shall be discussing that in a little more detail, but I would answer my hon. Friend's more general...
Jonathan Djanogly | 534 c642 (Link to this contribution)
Because I and the Government consulted at some length on the proposals and received a lot of positiv...
Joan Ruddock | 534 c641 (Link to this contribution)
Given that the purpose of all this is to save money, I must assume that the definition in the Bill m...
Jonathan Djanogly | 534 c639 (Link to this contribution)
I shall give way one more time on this point—to the hon. Member for Coventry South (Mr Cunningham).
Jim Cunningham | 534 c639 (Link to this contribution)
I want to be helpful to the Minister. Can he clarify how the amendments on legal aid would apply, fo...
Jonathan Djanogly | 534 c639-40 (Link to this contribution)
If the hon. Lady will allow me to get on, I will clarify precisely that.
The definition should also...
Helen Goodman | 534 c640 (Link to this contribution)
We raised with the Government a couple of months ago the possibility of seeing the regulations in dr...
Jonathan Djanogly | 534 c640 (Link to this contribution)
Because the Bill and relevant clauses are still going through the House and still have to go through...
Jonathan Djanogly | 534 c639 (Link to this contribution)
The Government are supportive of crisis centres. We have increased our provision for them. The amend...
Joan Ruddock | 534 c637 (Link to this contribution)
I want briefly to read to the Minister what my constituent Lucy Abell has written to me:"““I work wi...
Jonathan Djanogly | 534 c637 (Link to this contribution)
I am not entirely sure whether the right hon. Lady is talking about all cases of divorce or partners...
Kate Green | 534 c638 (Link to this contribution)
I want to ask the Minister about cases where domestic abuse or violence per se is not present, but w...
Kate Green | 534 c638 (Link to this contribution)
I agree with the Minister about the desirability of mediation wherever it can work best for all the ...
Jonathan Djanogly | 534 c636 (Link to this contribution)
This rather substantial group of Government and Opposition amendments concerns legal aid for family ...
Jonathan Djanogly | 534 c636-7 (Link to this contribution)
I expect the amendments to be generally well received.
The Bill currently refers to funding for adv...
Jonathan Djanogly | 534 c637 (Link to this contribution)
I certainly accept that there will sometimes be an imbalance, and in relation to court proceedings t...
Andy Slaughter | 534 c642 (Link to this contribution)
I would like the Minister to respond to my question. As the tests in question are evidential tests, ...
Robert Buckland | 534 c642-3 (Link to this contribution)
My hon. Friend makes proper points about the need for courts to make findings of fact. Does he accep...
Jonathan Djanogly | 534 c642 (Link to this contribution)
The hon. Gentleman makes the exact point that I would have made in response to him. Evidence is used...
Lord Clarke of Nottingham | 534 c621-2 (Link to this contribution)
The case I am making is that there are essentially no surprises here, because Members have been perf...
Elfyn Llwyd | 534 c621 (Link to this contribution)
How will this law differ from the common-law right to defend property and the existing law on self-d...
Sadiq Khan | 534 c628 (Link to this contribution)
I underscore the important contribution from my right hon. Friend, who chairs the Home Affairs Commi...
Speaker | 534 c624 (Link to this contribution)
I am sure that that is what many colleagues will have done.
Lord Beith | 534 c624-5 (Link to this contribution)
I want to add briefly to the intervention that I made earlier. The hon. Member for Rhondda (Chris Br...
Jonathan Djanogly | 534 c626-7 (Link to this contribution)
I beg to move,"That the Order of 29 June 2011 (Legal Aid, Sentencing and Punishment of Offenders Bil...
Elfyn Llwyd | 534 c624 (Link to this contribution)
I support much of what the hon. Gentleman says. If the measure is not going to make a great deal of ...
Chris Bryant | 534 c623 (Link to this contribution)
I am sorry to say to the Secretary of State that I wholly deplore the use of this procedural device,...
Lord Clarke of Nottingham | 534 c623 (Link to this contribution)
I share the hon. Gentleman's sensitivities about the scope of a Bill being widened in the ordinary c...
John Redwood | 534 c622 (Link to this contribution)
I think that my right hon. and learned Friend is absolutely right and I do not agree with the right ...
Lord Clarke of Nottingham | 534 c622 (Link to this contribution)
I am grateful to my right hon. Friend. I think that we should move on to the important debates on le...
Andy Slaughter | 534 c642 (Link to this contribution)
I hope the Minister accepts that, although amendment 74 and other amendments would enlarge the evide...
Jonathan Djanogly | 534 c642 (Link to this contribution)
The hon. Gentleman makes a frankly ridiculous comment. He mentioned GPs, and of course a GP is quali...
Jonathan Djanogly | 534 c643 (Link to this contribution)
Everything the Government have said, and every action we have taken, shows that we take domestic vio...
Sandra Osborne | 534 c643 (Link to this contribution)
I worked with Women's Aid for 16 years, and the Minister is taking us back decades by perpetrating m...
Jonathan Djanogly | 534 c643 (Link to this contribution)
I am happy to consider the particular circumstances that my hon. Friend mentions on the subject of u...
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