Police Reform and Social Responsibility Bill

Committee of the Whole House (HL) and Debate on bills on Thursday, 16 June 2011, in the House of Lords.

Police Reform and Social Responsibility Bill. Lords committee stage sixth day. Clauses 120 to 159 agreed to. Schedule 17 agreed to. Bill reported with amendments (HL Bill 77).

Type

Parliamentary proceeding

Reference

728 c888-914, c928-49, c969-1034

Session

2010-12

Department

Home Office

Legislative stage

Committee stage

Procedure

New clauses

Chamber / Committee

House of Lords chamber

Police Reform and Social Responsibility Bill. Brought from the Commons. Explanatory Notes HL Bill 62-EN also published.
Friday, 1 April 2011
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House of Lords

Police Reform and Social Responsibility Bill. As amended in Committee.
Thursday, 16 June 2011
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House of Lords

Proceeding contributions

Baroness Coussins | 728 c888 (Link to this contribution) 240M: After Clause 119, insert the following new Clause— ““Purchase of alcohol on behalf of children...

Baroness Coussins | 728 c888-90 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, this amendment, supported by my noble friend Lady Finlay of Llandaff, would insert a new c...

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Baroness Coussins | 728 c893-4 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am grateful for the support expressed by other noble Lords for the amendment. I cannot s...

Lord Stevenson of Balmacara | 728 c891-2 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, we on this side of the Committee support the amendment in the name of the noble Baronesses...

Lord De Mauley | 728 c892-3 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, we are legislating in Clause 119 to double the maximum fine available to punish the persis...

Baroness Finlay of Llandaff | 728 c890-1 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I have added my name to this amendment in support of my noble friend Lady Coussins. I am g...

Lord Condon | 728 c891 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I support the amendment for the reasons set out so eloquently by the two noble Baronesses ...

Baroness Browning | 728 c899-900 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I suspect from what I have heard in this debate that I am going to end up having ““nanny””...

Lord Stevenson of Balmacara | 728 c898-9 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I confess at the start that I have a bit of sympathy with my noble friend Lord Brooke of A...

Baroness Browning | 728 c900-1 (Link to this contribution) I understand the point that my noble friend is making but I reiterate that this is a flexible option...

Viscount Astor | 728 c900 (Link to this contribution) May I ask my noble friend a question before she leaves that subject because I know that she has a hu...

Lord Clement-Jones | 728 c894-6 (Link to this contribution) I shall speak to all the amendments in this group, other than Amendments 240V and 240X, and also tou...

Lord Clement-Jones | 728 c894 (Link to this contribution) 240PA: Clause 120, page 79, line 15, leave out ““and club premises certificates””

Lord Brooke of Alverthorpe | 728 c897 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, if the analysis of the noble Viscount, Lord Astor, regarding a change in government policy...

Viscount Astor | 728 c897 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I added my name to the amendments moved by my noble friend Lord Clement-Jones and also to ...

Lord Brooke of Sutton Mandeville | 728 c898 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, perhaps I may make a very brief gloss on the speech of my namesake, the noble Lord, Lord B...

Baroness Hamwee | 728 c897-8 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I agree with my noble friend—to the extent of New Year’s Eve, at any rate. I have Amendmen...

Baroness Browning | 728 c905 (Link to this contribution) I apologise for interrupting my noble friend and hope that he will forgive me: I wish to put somethi...

Lord Clement-Jones | 728 c905 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, we have had a useful debate about exemptions and I would certainly exempt my noble friend ...

Lord Brooke of Sutton Mandeville | 728 c905 (Link to this contribution) As there are two Lord Brookes, will the noble Lord make clear about whom he is speaking?

Lord Stevenson of Balmacara | 728 c902 (Link to this contribution) We on this side welcome that statement. Throughout this debate we have been trying to engage with th...

Baroness Browning | 728 c902 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to the right reverend Prelate. I am, of course, familiar with the work of street pasto...

Bishop of Chester | 728 c901-2 (Link to this contribution) From these Benches, I support the Government and the way in which the legislation has been drafted, ...

Lord Clement-Jones | 728 c904-5 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I thank the Minister for that very thoughtful and useful response, which helpfully went th...

Baroness Hamwee | 728 c904 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, before that happens—and I dare say that it will—perhaps I may ask about exemptions. The Mi...

Baroness Finlay of Llandaff | 728 c999-1000 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, this amendment obviously concerns the Advisory Council on the Misuse of Drugs, and I must ...

Baroness Finlay of Llandaff | 728 c999 (Link to this contribution) 244D: Clause 153, page 102, line 11, leave out paragraph (a)

Baroness Browning | 728 c996-8 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am grateful to all noble Lords who have spoken. I know that we share an understanding ac...

Baroness Browning | 728 c1001-2 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am grateful to all noble Lords who have spoken. On the last group of amendments, I refer...

Baroness Finlay of Llandaff | 728 c1002-3 (Link to this contribution) I am most grateful to the Minister for her extensive response and for the reassurance that she has g...

Lord Carlile of Berriew | 728 c1000 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, although not wanting to repeat the eloquent and informed moving of the amendment by the no...

Lord Stevenson of Balmacara | 728 c1000 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, close readers of the Marshalled List will realise that the amendments in my name are very ...

Lord Campbell-Savours | 728 c1003-5 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, before I deal with my amendment in detail, I want to say a few words by way of preamble. I...

Lord Thomas of Gresford | 728 c1007-8 (Link to this contribution) I shall speak to the amendment in the names of my noble friend Lord Macdonald of River Glaven, who c...

Lord Phillips of Sudbury | 728 c1006-7 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I rise to speak to the amendment tabled in my name and that of my noble friend Lady Tonge....

Lord Goldsmith | 728 c1008-9 (Link to this contribution) I wonder if the noble Lord could help me on one point. As an experienced criminal practitioner, as h...

Baroness D'Souza | 728 c1005-6 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, because of the lateness of the hour, I will not rehearse the arguments put forward so eloq...

Lord Campbell-Savours | 728 c1014 (Link to this contribution) As a non-lawyer, I wonder whether I can ask the noble Lord a layman’s question. What kind of conside...

Lord Goldsmith | 728 c1009 (Link to this contribution) Does the noble Lord agree that in those circumstances it would be wrong for the House to accept the ...

Lord Thomas of Gresford | 728 c1009 (Link to this contribution) I do not propose to ask the House to agree to this amendment tonight. This is the Committee stage. W...

Lord Carlile of Berriew | 728 c1009-12 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, we are proceeding in the usual orderly way of your Lordships’ House and there remain two a...

Lord Pannick | 728 c1012-4 (Link to this contribution) I was a witness to the discussions in the Bishops’ Bar between the noble Lords, Lord Thomas and Lord...

Lord Pannick | 728 c1015 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to the noble Lord. It is of course the experience of all those who have held the sensi...

Lord Campbell-Savours | 728 c1015 (Link to this contribution) When the noble Lord said that the DPP was totally independent, he appeared to be saying that they wo...

Lord Pannick | 728 c1015 (Link to this contribution) I will just finish my answer, then I will happily give way to the noble Lord. If he is saying that p...

Lord Campbell-Savours | 728 c1014 (Link to this contribution) I—

Lord Pannick | 728 c1014 (Link to this contribution) The DPP dealt with that matter in the evidence that he gave to the Public Bill Committee. He was ver...

Lord Pannick | 728 c1016 (Link to this contribution) It amounts to the same thing. If the Attorney-General takes the view that it is inappropriate for a ...

Lord Phillips of Sudbury | 728 c1016 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, to pursue the point, there is a vast difference, with respect, between getting the consent...

Lord Pannick | 728 c1015-6 (Link to this contribution) I certainly agree that the DPP should apply the same standards in the sense that he asks whether the...

Lord Phillips of Sudbury | 728 c1016 (Link to this contribution) I think it is fair that I ask the noble Lord this. He has said several times now that the consent of...

Lord Goldsmith | 728 c1020 (Link to this contribution) I have to say that the one thought that had not crossed my mind when I read this amendment was that ...

Lord Thomas of Gresford | 728 c1019 (Link to this contribution) I think that the noble and learned Lord misunderstands the purpose behind our amendment, which is no...

Lord Goldsmith | 728 c1019 (Link to this contribution) Let me just make this point and of course I will give way to the noble Lord. I made the point about ...

Lord Goldsmith | 728 c1016 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, this is a delicate and sensitive matter and I will spend a few moments on it. I entirely u...

Baroness Tonge | 728 c1016 (Link to this contribution) Can the noble and learned Lord please clarify that? The amendments are to Clause 154, which I though...

Lord Goldsmith | 728 c1019 (Link to this contribution) I am really not sure that I agree with the noble Lord. It is not an immunity, but if the question ar...

Lord Thomas of Gresford | 728 c1019 (Link to this contribution) My Lords—

Lord Goldsmith | 728 c1016-9 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to the noble Baroness. I will make my second point, about what the existing system is....

Lord Thomas of Gresford | 728 c1019 (Link to this contribution) Does the noble and learned Lord agree that it would be quite wrong for the DPP to give in advance im...

Lord Rosser | 728 c1028 (Link to this contribution) 250: Clause 158, page 104, line 29, after ““subsections”” insert ““(2A),””

Baroness Tonge | 728 c1020 (Link to this contribution) The noble and learned Lord is very generous and I thank him for giving way yet again. Before he move...

Lord Goldsmith | 728 c1020-1 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I thank the noble Baroness for what she kindly said about this debate, but I should have t...

Baroness Ramsay of Cartvale | 728 c1021 (Link to this contribution) As a non-lawyer, I shall make some non-lawyer points. I briefly echo what I said on Second Reading, ...

Baroness Tonge | 728 c1021-3 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I do not wish to detain the House much longer. However, not having been in the Bishops’ Ba...

Baroness Scotland of Asthal | 728 c1023-4 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am very conscious of the time and therefore shall try to be telegraphic, as Lord Kingsla...

Lord Phillips of Sudbury | 728 c1024 (Link to this contribution) The noble and learned Lord, Lord Goldsmith, made no reference to the advice given by the Joint Commi...

Baroness Scotland of Asthal | 728 c1024-5 (Link to this contribution) No, my Lords, certainly not. I was seeking to relieve the Committee of the burden of listening to me...

Lord McNally | 728 c1025-8 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, sometimes the House throws up, well outside the usual hours of attention, debates of immen...

Baroness Anelay of St Johns | 728 c1030 (Link to this contribution) The Leader of the Opposition—she has been a distinguished Leader of the House in the past; I hope th...

Lord Rosser | 728 c1029 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, in moving Amendment 250, I shall speak also to Amendment 252. This Bill represents a major...

Baroness Anelay of St Johns | 728 c1030 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, in that case I look forward to the noble Baroness the Leader of the House, who is in the C...

Baroness Anelay of St Johns | 728 c1030 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I really cannot allow the Opposition to mislead the House. The decision was made only afte...

Lord Rosser | 728 c1030 (Link to this contribution) I appreciate that the noble Baroness is fairly sensitive on this matter because the reasons that she...

Baroness Anelay of St Johns | 728 c1029 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, perhaps in that the case the noble Lord—or the noble Baroness the Leader of the Opposition...

Lord Rosser | 728 c1030 (Link to this contribution) I am sure that if the issue had been caused by what happened over the Parliamentary Voting System an...

Baroness Anelay of St Johns | 728 c1029 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I should not wish the noble Lord to mislead the House; I know he has no intention of doing...

Baroness Royall of Blaisdon | 728 c1030-1 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am grateful to the noble Baroness the government Chief Whip. I know—it is not that I thi...

Baroness Anelay of St Johns | 728 c1031 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I put on record my gratitude to the noble Baroness the Leader of the Opposition for her in...

Lord Rosser | 728 c1034 (Link to this contribution) I thank the Minister for that response, which I have to say was not entirely a surprise. The Ministe...

Lord Rosser | 728 c1031 (Link to this contribution) I shall conclude the comments that I was making. In putting forward these two amendments, I have mad...

Baroness Doocey | 728 c1031-2 (Link to this contribution) In view of the lateness of the hour, I will be brief. The purpose of Amendment 251 is to move the im...

Baroness Hamwee | 728 c1032 (Link to this contribution) I support my noble friend in her amendment. She has been absolutely consistent and spoken powerfully...

Baroness Browning | 728 c1033-4 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, my noble friend Lady Doocey has put forward the assertion that it is not in the interests ...

Lord Campbell-Savours | 728 c990 (Link to this contribution) I am very sympathetic to the amendment because I feel quite strongly, and always have done, that peo...

Baroness Miller of Chilthorne Domer | 728 c990 (Link to this contribution) The noble Lord, Lord Campbell-Savours, is quite right. When parliamentarians from other countries co...

Lord Wallace of Saltaire | 728 c990-1 (Link to this contribution) I note that these two amendments are identical, and almost identical to the Private Member’s Bill of...

Lord Marlesford | 728 c991-2 (Link to this contribution) That was a pretty negative response, if I may say so. Although I shall withdraw my amendment, pendin...

Lord Marlesford | 728 c989 (Link to this contribution) 244ZCCA: Clause 144, leave out Clause 144 and insert— ““Parliament Square committee (1) Within six m...

Lord Marlesford | 728 c989-90 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am putting to the Government a rather simpler method of dealing with the whole problem. ...

Baroness Meacher | 728 c992 (Link to this contribution) 244AB: Clause 152, page 102, line 7, at beginning insert ““Intoxicating Substances (Supply) Act 1985...

Baroness Meacher | 728 c993-4 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, Amendments 244AB and 244CA are probing amendments. My noble friends Lord Low and Lord Walt...

Lord Stevenson of Balmacara | 728 c995-6 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, the whole House should congratulate the noble Baroness, Lady Meacher, on the way in which ...

Lord Clement-Jones | 728 c906 (Link to this contribution) Absolutely. That is only going to add to the burdens on business. Although I accept that the Ministe...

Viscount Astor | 728 c906 (Link to this contribution) Far be it from me to try to deprive my noble friend of business, but does he agree that one of the p...

Lord Clement-Jones | 728 c905-6 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, that is deeply reassuring to us lawyers, but I am afraid it is not very reassuring to the ...

Baroness Browning | 728 c905 (Link to this contribution) It would be a full public consultation. The review mechanism is judicial review.

Lord Clement-Jones | 728 c905 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I worry that there will be no review mechanism for these EMROs unless the local authority ...

Viscount Astor | 728 c909 (Link to this contribution) Amendment 241, to which my noble friend Lord Clement-Jones referred, is in my name and concerns fees...

Lord Stevenson of Balmacara | 728 c907 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I welcome what the noble Baroness, Lady Hamwee, said and support her amendments. The provi...

Lord Clement-Jones | 728 c908-9 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I should like to speak to Amendments 240XF, 240XH and 241ZZA, while supporting Amendments ...

Baroness Hamwee | 728 c906 (Link to this contribution) 240Z: Clause 121, page 82, line 35, leave out from beginning to end of line 2 on page 83

Baroness Hamwee | 728 c907 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, this takes us to the clause on fees and non-payment. I shall speak also to Amendments 240X...

Baroness Browning | 728 c946 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, while other amendments have tried to reduce administrative processes, these two amendments...

Lord Clement-Jones | 728 c946 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I can be brief on this amendment and Amendment 241Q, which is grouped with it. These new c...

Lord Clement-Jones | 728 c945 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I thank the Minister for that reply. I knew that if I carried on talking for long enough s...

Lord Clement-Jones | 728 c945 (Link to this contribution) 241P: After Clause 132, insert the following new Clause— ““Accountability of police (1) The local po...

Baroness Browning | 728 c944 (Link to this contribution) I have heard what my noble friend says, and I of course understand the situation for rural pubs, hav...

Baroness Browning | 728 c943-4 (Link to this contribution) I hope I can reassure my noble friend that this levy has been designed to raise money for the police...

Lord Stevenson of Balmacara | 728 c940-1 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, we seem to be running into a little more difficulty with this group of amendments in terms...

Baroness Browning | 728 c941-3 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, it might be appropriate if I begin by reminding the House that the late-night levy was a c...

Baroness Miller of Chilthorne Domer | 728 c971-2 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I follow that by saying that this is a particularly important section of the Bill. My nobl...

Lord Clement-Jones | 728 c948-9 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I thank the Minister for that reply, which gives all the right signals in terms of the kin...

Baroness Hamwee | 728 c969 (Link to this contribution) 244ZZA: Clause 142, page 96, line 32, leave out subsection (2)

Baroness Hamwee | 728 c969-71 (Link to this contribution) This amendment takes us to the issues relating to Parliament Square. I start with an apology. Like m...

Lord Campbell-Savours | 728 c971 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I shall intervene for a few moments. We are often told that scrutiny in the Lords is bette...

Lord Clement-Jones | 728 c947 (Link to this contribution) 241T: Clause 136, page 94, line 24, at beginning insert ““other””

Lord Clement-Jones | 728 c947-8 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I shall not detain the House too long. It would be easy to spend time talking about some o...

Lord Stevenson of Balmacara | 728 c948 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I support the previous speech and the amendments that it introduced. On this side of the H...

Baroness Browning | 728 c948 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, licensing authorities will have the discretion to decide which of the exemption and reduct...

Lord Clement-Jones | 728 c947 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I thank the Minister for that quite complex and useful response. Her argument is that ther...

Lord Clement-Jones | 728 c932 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I can be brief in speaking to Amendment 241C. I very much commend Clause 125, which sets i...

Baroness Hayter of Kentish Town | 728 c930-2 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I declare my interests as chair of the All-Party Parliamentary Group on Alcohol Misuse, an...

Baroness Finlay of Llandaff | 728 c929-30 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I wish to speak to Amendment 241A in this group and the subsequent amendment, which is in ...

Lord Brooke of Sutton Mandeville | 728 c928-9 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, during the passage of the Licensing Act 2003, in a gesture that was helpful to local autho...

Lord Brooke of Alverthorpe | 728 c909-10 (Link to this contribution) I do not think that the Minister needs to apologise to the House for the line that she is taking. If...

Baroness Hamwee | 728 c914 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am glad to hear that the Government will reflect on Amendment 241ZB. I am grateful to my...

Lord Brooke of Sutton Mandeville | 728 c928 (Link to this contribution) 241ZC: Clause 123, page 86, line 39, at end insert— ““( ) In section 9(1) after ““of”” insert ““not ...

Lord De Mauley | 728 c910-3 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I start by thanking all noble Lords for their thoughtful and constructive comments in conn...

Lord Clement-Jones | 728 c913 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, briefly, before my noble friend replies on her amendment, I welcome the Minister’s useful ...

Lord Clement-Jones | 728 c937-9 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, we now move to the very important part of the Bill relating to the late-night levy. The Ho...

Lord Clement-Jones | 728 c937 (Link to this contribution) 241CA: Clause 126, page 88, line 11, at end insert— ““( ) Nothing in this Chapter applies to holders...

Baroness Hamwee | 728 c939-40 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I have Amendments 241DA, 241H, 241J, 241K, 241N, 241R and 241S in this group. There is a c...

Lord Brooke of Sutton Mandeville | 728 c932-3 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, given that Clause 125 is totally composed of reviews, I wanted to add a word on the review...

Lord Stevenson of Balmacara | 728 c933-4 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, those of us involved in this debate for some time are beginning to recognise there is a ri...

Lord De Mauley | 728 c934-6 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, Amendment 241ZC would amend Clause 123, which deals with local licensing policy statements...

Lord Brooke of Sutton Mandeville | 728 c936 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am grateful to noble Lords who have spoken in support of my amendment and remarks. I am ...

Lord Stevenson of Balmacara | 728 c936 (Link to this contribution) For the avoidance of doubt, I refer the noble Lord to the Companion. He really ought to try it, beca...

Lord Brooke of Sutton Mandeville | 728 c936-7 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful for that correction. I shall therefore refer to the noble Lord, Lord Stevenson, as Lor...

Lord Wallace of Saltaire | 728 c983-4 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I will say two things before I answer the particular points. First, we will come back to P...

Lord Rosser | 728 c982-3 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I hope that I have the right group of amendments and will not start talking to something t...

Baroness Miller of Chilthorne Domer | 728 c982 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, the Committee will have noticed that I confused my ZZAAs before, which is why I moved that...

Baroness Miller of Chilthorne Domer | 728 c982 (Link to this contribution) 244ZAA: Clause 144, page 97, line 17, leave out ““, or is about to do,””

Baroness Miller of Chilthorne Domer | 728 c985 (Link to this contribution) 244ZB: Clause 144, page 97, line 22, leave out paragraph (a)

Baroness Miller of Chilthorne Domer | 728 c985 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, on behalf of my noble friend I thank the Minister for his reply on the retrospective aspec...

Lord Wallace of Saltaire | 728 c985 (Link to this contribution) Having heard this useful further discussion, I invite the noble Baroness to withdraw her amendment.

Lord Anderson of Swansea | 728 c985 (Link to this contribution) Members of Parliament were unable to do the job for which they were elected as a result of the activ...

Lord Wallace of Saltaire | 728 c985 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, we will be coming on to that. I know that there are different, but very strongly held, opi...

Lord Anderson of Swansea | 728 c984-5 (Link to this contribution) When the Government look at issuing detailed guidance, I hope they will not neglect the concern of m...

Baroness Browning | 728 c986-7 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, in responding to Amendment 244ZB and its linked amendments, it is important to re-emphasis...

Lord Rosser | 728 c986 (Link to this contribution) Perhaps I may raise one point. My memory may have failed, in which case I am sure it will be pointed...

Baroness Browning | 728 c987 (Link to this contribution) I do not know if I am going to answer the noble Lord in as much detail as he would like. There are a...

Lord Campbell-Savours | 728 c987 (Link to this contribution) Can I check on a technical point with the noble Baroness? Clause 148(5) states: "““The notice must s...

Baroness Miller of Chilthorne Domer | 728 c985-6 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, this group of amendments moves us on to amplified noise, which was referred to a moment ag...

Baroness Miller of Chilthorne Domer | 728 c988-9 (Link to this contribution) I thank my noble friend the Minister for her reply. She has certainly laid out the Government’s thin...

Baroness Browning | 728 c987-8 (Link to this contribution) They would be free to use it, but subject to authorisation, which at the moment they do not have. I ...

Lord Campbell-Savours | 728 c987 (Link to this contribution) I have a further question. Sometimes when we come in by St Stephen’s Entrance, 200 or 300 people mig...

Baroness Browning | 728 c988 (Link to this contribution) You can still hear it from there. I am not saying that that is where the loudhailer is; I am saying ...

Lord Campbell-Savours | 728 c988 (Link to this contribution) I did not refer to Palace Gates.

Lord Rosser | 728 c972-3 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I have an amendment in this group but we agree with the repeal of the provisions in the Se...

Lord Desai | 728 c972 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I spoke on this section of the Bill at Second Reading and I very much support the amendmen...

Lord Campbell-Savours | 728 c975 (Link to this contribution) Suppose that there is a big demonstration in London with a couple of thousand people on Whitehall al...

Lord Wallace of Saltaire | 728 c974-5 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, there is no evidence for what the noble Lord has just suggested. We are talking about prop...

Lord Desai | 728 c974 (Link to this contribution) Is there not anxiety on the part of the demonstrators that if they do not have permanent structures ...

Lord Wallace of Saltaire | 728 c973-4 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, with nine clauses to deal with, worrying about a very small traffic island seems on the fa...

Baroness Hamwee | 728 c976 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I understand that but since they will be committing an offence it may well be relevant to ...

Lord Wallace of Saltaire | 728 c976 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I apologise. That is very much a transitional arrangement to ensure that those who are alr...

Baroness Hamwee | 728 c976 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am grateful to my noble friend and to the noble Lord, Lord Desai, for their support. I k...

Lord Wallace of Saltaire | 728 c975-6 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, the noble Lord is enjoying asking a hypothetical question. As we know, the police operate ...

Lord Wallace of Saltaire | 728 c976 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, that is a very fair point. I promise that I will go back to the department and will write ...

Baroness Hamwee | 728 c977 (Link to this contribution) 244ZZB: Clause 144, page 97, line 16, leave out ““constable”” and insert ““senior police officer””

Baroness Hamwee | 728 c977 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am grateful for that. I beg leave to withdraw the amendment. Amendment 244ZZA withdrawn...

Baroness Hamwee | 728 c977-8 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I beg to move Amendment 244ZZB. I suppose for Hansard I should also say that I am also spe...

Lord Campbell-Savours | 728 c979-80 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I intervene with another rather silly and naive question. I ask these questions because pr...

Lord Rosser | 728 c979 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I, too, will be brief. I have one amendment in the group. It relates to Clause 149 and dea...

Baroness Browning | 728 c980-1 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I will pick up on that last point about seizure before I begin to address the amendments. ...

Baroness Miller of Chilthorne Domer | 728 c980 (Link to this contribution) I have one illustration to add to the point that the noble Lord, Lord Campbell-Savours, made so well...

Baroness Hamwee | 728 c981 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, as has been said, seizure of items, as well as directions, will be very much a matter for ...

Baroness Browning | 728 c904 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, local authorities will be allowed to have their own exemptions, but that will be part of t...

Lord Campbell-Savours | 728 c1003 (Link to this contribution) 245: Clause 154, page 102, line 19, leave out from ““applies”” to end of line 20 and insert— ““(a) a...

Lord Thomas of Gresford | 728 c1009 (Link to this contribution) The noble and learned Lord makes a very valid point and I accept that of course it is intended that ...

Lord Thomas of Gresford | 728 c1015 (Link to this contribution) Does the noble Lord agree that it would surely be right that the DPP should apply the same standards...

Lord Campbell-Savours | 728 c1028 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, we have had a fascinating debate. It is nearly 10 o’clock and I have not eaten yet, as ind...

Lord Rosser | 728 c1029 (Link to this contribution) I am sure the noble Baroness would not wish to think that because she and the Government have a view...

Lord Clement-Jones | 728 c944 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I thank the Minister for her response, which I found to be rather a curate’s egg. Of cours...

Baroness Hamwee | 728 c943 (Link to this contribution) I shall make two points on the Minister’s comments. First, she said that the standard level of the l...

Lord Brooke of Sutton Mandeville | 728 c909 (Link to this contribution) My rising is not normally greeted with that amount of drama and my observations will not in any way ...

Lord Brooke of Alverthorpe | 728 c932 (Link to this contribution) I support the noble Lord, Lord Brooke of Sutton Mandeville. There is a range of issues here that can...

Baroness Browning | 728 c902-4 (Link to this contribution) I agree with that statement. We need to look at the combination of drink and drugs. Very often the c...

Baroness Meacher | 728 c998-9 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I very much welcome the comments of the Minister about the Government’s reliance on the AC...

Lord Pannick | 728 c1016 (Link to this contribution) My understanding is that consent is required. In any event, with great respect, I do not see the pra...

Baroness Miller of Chilthorne Domer | 728 c995 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, my name is to this amendment. I pay tribute to the noble Baroness, Lady Meacher, for her e...

Baroness Miller of Chilthorne Domer | 728 c978-9 (Link to this contribution) Briefly, I agree heartily with my noble friend. It is not just a question of the seniority of the po...

Subjects

Children

Abuse

Clubs

Alcoholic drinks

Demonstrations

Costs

Anti-social behaviour

Crown Prosecution Service

Arrest warrants

Fees and charges

Greater London

Drugs

Fines

Driving under influence

Licensed premises

Immunity from prosecution

Freedom of expression

International law

Local government

Police

Powers

Prosecutions

Public interest

Parliament Square

Protest

Misuse

Opening hours

Licensing laws

Sales

Young people

Reform

War crimes

Advisory Council on the Misuse of Drugs

Legislation

Police Reform and Social Responsibility Bill 2010-12

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