Parliamentary search - Police Reform and Social Responsibility Bill

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2010-12

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Police Reform and Social Responsibility Bill. Brought from the Commons. Explanatory Notes HL Bill 62-EN also published.
Friday, 1 April 2011
Bills
House of Lords

Police Reform and Social Responsibility Bill. Human Rights Joint Select Committee eleventh report with formal minutes and evidence.
Tuesday, 3 May 2011
Parliamentary committees
House of Lords
House of Commons

Constitution Select Committee (HL) fourteenth report on Part 1 of the Police Reform and Social Responsibility Bill.
Wednesday, 4 May 2011
Parliamentary committees
House of Lords

Delegated Powers and Regulatory Reform Select Committee (HL). Thirteenth report on: Police Reform and Social Responsibility Bill 2010-12; Wreck Removal Convention Bill 2010-12. (Lords Minutes).
Wednesday, 4 May 2011
Parliamentary committees
House of Lords

Proceeding contributions

Lord Cormack | 727 c904 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am delighted to follow the noble Baroness, Lady O’Loan, because when I had the great for...

Baroness O'Loan | 727 c902-4 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, first, I welcome the Minister to her onerous new responsibilities. She has a particularly ...

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Lord Carlile of Berriew | 727 c901-2 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I hope that I will be forgiven the discourtesy of absence from some parts of this debate b...

Baroness Henig | 727 c898-901 (Link to this contribution) I support the points made so forcefully and eloquently by my noble colleague Lady Harris of Richmond...

Lord Cormack | 727 c904 (Link to this contribution) What I have learned in my time here is that the convention is that issues are thoroughly discussed i...

Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 727 c904 (Link to this contribution) I wonder if the noble Lord would give way.

Baroness Hayman | 727 c898 (Link to this contribution) I have to inform the Committee that if Amendment 1 is agreed to, I cannot call Amendments 2 to 8A by...

Baroness Harris of Richmond | 727 c894-8 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, before moving the amendment, I will take the opportunity to welcome my noble friend the Mi...

Baroness Harris of Richmond | 727 c894 (Link to this contribution) 1: Clause 1, page 1, line 6, leave out subsection (1)

Lord Elystan-Morgan | 727 c970 (Link to this contribution) I am speaking to the amendment to this extent—that I believe that the amendment is an utter unrealit...

Lord Harris of Haringey | 727 c971 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, the noble Lord the Leader of the House is being slightly unfair on the House. Noble Lords ...

Baroness O'Loan | 727 c971 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, if I may speak again, perhaps the Leader of the House could help me by telling me exactly ...

Lord Strathclyde | 727 c971 (Link to this contribution) I am going to finish my point. Noble Lords have said it is difficult to continue. Moving amendments ...

Lord Strathclyde | 727 c970 (Link to this contribution) It is a good point. However, noble Lords have done so, without thinking over the implications. We ha...

Lord Elystan-Morgan | 727 c970 (Link to this contribution) I do not wish any evil whatever upon this House, for which I have immense respect. The situation, su...

Lord Strathclyde | 727 c970 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, as a veteran of many amendments and many losses, I am slightly baffled by this debate. The...

Lord Strathclyde | 727 c971 (Link to this contribution) The noble Baroness is generous in giving me powers, which I do not have, of knowing what it is that ...

Lord Elystan-Morgan | 727 c971 (Link to this contribution) My Lords—

Baroness Royall of Blaisdon | 727 c971-2 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, could I seek one point of information? Given that, as was suggested by one of my noble fri...

Lord Strathclyde | 727 c972 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, first of all, this will not be the first time that the House has debated an issue that it ...

Lord Strathclyde | 727 c972 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, the target is a sort of rough target in order to help the House. From other discussions th...

Baroness Farrington of Ribbleton | 727 c972 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, will the noble Lord the Leader give an assurance that he will give the Government’s positi...

Lord Strathclyde | 727 c972 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, the Government’s Minister will respond to the questions posed by those who propose amendme...

Lord Harris of Haringey | 727 c972 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, can we just have some clarity from the noble Lord the Leader? I am sorry to prolong this—I...

Lord Bassam of Brighton | 727 c961-2 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, having heard what the Chief Whip has said, I accept, of course, that we should proceed to ...

Baroness Anelay of St Johns | 727 c961 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, the process is clear. The House of Lords tonight made a decision to remove elected commiss...

Lord Bassam of Brighton | 727 c961 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, this may be an appropriate moment for me to raise an important point. The Committee has ju...

Lord Colwyn | 727 c960 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, as Amendment 1 has been agreed to, I cannot call Amendments 2 to 8A inclusive because of p...

Lord De Mauley | 727 c945 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I beg to move that the House do now adjourn during pleasure until 7.30 pm. Sitting suspen...

Lord De Mauley | 727 c945 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I beg to move that the House do now resume. In moving this Motion, I suggest that the Comm...

Baroness Anelay of St Johns | 727 c962-3 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I reassure the noble Lord, Lord Harris, who is an experienced performer, both in this Cham...

Baroness Hamwee | 727 c963 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am sorry to intervene, but I do so also for the purpose of clarity. The debate that resu...

Lord Harris of Haringey | 727 c962 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I ask for clarification on what the Chief Whip told us, because I feel that I am again a n...

Baroness Harris of Richmond | 727 c963 (Link to this contribution) 11: Clause 1, page 1, line 9, leave out subsection (3) 12: Clause 1, page 1, line 11, leave out su...

Lord Colwyn | 727 c963 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, as Amendment 9 has been agreed, I may not call Amendment 10, again by reason of pre-emptio...

Baroness Hamwee | 727 c964 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I shall speak also to Amendments 23, 28, 149 and 237. This group of amendments proposes th...

Baroness Hamwee | 727 c963 (Link to this contribution) 13: Clause 1, page 1, line 13, after ““has”” insert ““, subject to section (Shadow operation)””

Baroness Anelay of St Johns | 727 c963 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am grateful to my noble friend. I was trying to say, but less succinctly, that debate co...

Baroness Harris of Richmond | 727 c963 (Link to this contribution) 9: Clause 1, page 1, line 8, leave out subsection (2) Amendment 9 agreed.

Lord Colwyn | 727 c963 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I repeat that I may not call Amendments 2 to 8A because of pre-emption. Amendment 9 Move...

Lord Harris of Haringey | 727 c964 (Link to this contribution) I am sorry to interrupt the noble Baroness in mid-flow, but as I understand it, if her amendment wer...

Baroness Hamwee | 727 c964 (Link to this contribution) The police and crime commissioner has not been removed from the Bill, in that Amendment 31, which wa...

Lord Harris of Haringey | 727 c964 (Link to this contribution) I would be delighted to hear the noble Baroness expand the argument—

Baroness Farrington of Ribbleton | 727 c965 (Link to this contribution) The noble Lord will remember that the final line of the poem is, ““I wish that man would go away””.

Lord Carlile of Berriew | 727 c965 (Link to this contribution) I am puzzled, even in the context of this place, by the procedure being followed at present. Were we...

Baroness Hamwee | 727 c964-5 (Link to this contribution) I thank the noble Lord. I have explained why I think it is still appropriate to debate the amendment...

Lord Colwyn | 727 c964 (Link to this contribution) I must put the Question before the debate starts. I would be grateful if the noble Baroness could co...

Lord Wallace of Saltaire | 727 c966-7 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, it is my understanding that we are now operating on the assumption that Amendment 31 has b...

Lord Carlile of Berriew | 727 c966 (Link to this contribution) That may well be technically right but it may require an expression from the government Front Bench ...

Viscount Eccles | 727 c966 (Link to this contribution) Is not the matter in the hands of the mover of the amendment? If that person simply says ““Not moved...

Lord Carlile of Berriew | 727 c966 (Link to this contribution) Touché! I, too, wish that the man would go away—and I am grateful for the reminder—albeit to be recr...

Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 727 c967 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, this is ridiculous. Noble Lords know that the Government should have made a business state...

Lord Carlile of Berriew | 727 c967 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, there are a number of problems with Amendment 31. The first is that we have not debated it...

Lord Strathclyde | 727 c967-8 (Link to this contribution) Before my noble friend Lady Hamwee continues speaking to her amendment, perhaps I may explain that t...

Lord De Mauley | 727 c967 (Link to this contribution) I am going to have to crave your Lordships’ indulgence and ask if we can have a further adjournment ...

Lord Soley | 727 c968 (Link to this contribution) I am not very confident of my knowledge of the procedures when we get into a situation like this. I ...

Baroness Royall of Blaisdon | 727 c968 (Link to this contribution) I accept what the Leader has said. However, the advice given to us earlier by the noble Lord, Lord C...

Lord Harris of Haringey | 727 c968-9 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, the noble Lord, Lord Carlile, is trying to be helpful to the Committee. His analysis that ...

Lord Carlile of Berriew | 727 c968 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, having heard the Leader of the House speaking earlier, I can see no reason why we should n...

Lord Elystan-Morgan | 727 c970 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I support that idea. The noble Lord, Lord Harris, for whom I have immense regard—I respect...

Baroness O'Loan | 727 c969 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I endorse what the noble Lord, Lord Harris, just said. With my limited experience of the H...

Lord De Mauley | 727 c967 (Link to this contribution) Following the advice of the noble Lord opposite, I beg to move that the Committee do now adjourn dur...

Lord Elton | 727 c970 (Link to this contribution) As I understand it, under our Standing Orders, we can only speak to a Motion. The Motion before the ...

Lord Cormack | 727 c906-7 (Link to this contribution) My noble friend moderated his own comment by saying ““to some extent””, having said ““very often”” a...

Lord Hurd of Westwell | 727 c906 (Link to this contribution) My noble friend constantly reverts to the point that they would almost certainly be party nominees. ...

Lord Condon | 727 c911-2 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I declare my registered interest as a former commissioner and chief constable. I, too, wel...

Lord Beecham | 727 c907-10 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I join other noble Lords in extending a warm welcome to the Minister. I share entirely the...

Lord Cormack | 727 c905-6 (Link to this contribution) I am sorry, North Yorkshire. In Staffordshire, including the city of Stoke-on-Trent, there are a doz...

Lord Cormack | 727 c906 (Link to this contribution) My noble friend, for whom I have real affection, as he knows, has been a champion of this policy, ve...

Lord Blencathra | 727 c906 (Link to this contribution) If it is not possible for an elected police commissioner to know the different conflicting views and...

Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 727 c904-5 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, the noble Lord comes to this House with great experience and we have all enjoyed his inter...

Lord Cormack | 727 c905 (Link to this contribution) I am glad for that assurance but I still hope that there will be no vote today, because there will b...

Lord Blair of Boughton | 727 c924-5 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I declare an interest as the commissioner to whom the noble Lord, Lord Soley, just referre...

Lord Soley | 727 c921-4 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I shall try to be brief; a lot of arguments have been made and I shall try not to repeat t...

Lord Hamilton of Epsom | 727 c920 (Link to this contribution) Does the noble Lord also agree that an elected commissioner might well cut down on the form-filling ...

Lord Blencathra | 727 c919-20 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I, too, welcome my noble friend Lady Browning to her new responsibilities. She was a super...

Baroness Butler-Sloss | 727 c918-9 (Link to this contribution) We have been discussing this for some time but I want to add a few points. The first one is that Mr ...

Bishop of Hereford | 727 c917-8 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I support the amendment. Notwithstanding the comments that we have just heard from the nob...

Lord Harris of Haringey | 727 c913-5 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I first declare an interest as a member and former chair of the Metropolitan Police Author...

Lord Hamilton of Epsom | 727 c912-3 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I also congratulate my noble friend Lady Browning on being appointed as a Minister. It is ...

Baroness Randerson | 727 c930-1 (Link to this contribution) This amendment is a useful opportunity to draw your Lordships’ attention to something of a constitut...

Viscount Brookeborough | 727 c929-30 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I support the amendment and will make two brief points. The first concerns democratic acco...

Baroness Randerson | 727 c931 (Link to this contribution) I take the point. I conclude by saying that the Welsh Assembly’s Communities and Culture Committee r...

Lord De Mauley | 727 c931 (Link to this contribution) I hope that my noble friend will forgive me for intervening. Another group is coming up which deals ...

Viscount Bridgeman | 727 c931-2 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I shall be very brief. Perhaps I may respectfully say that the protocol has been given a v...

Bishop of Chichester | 727 c925-6 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am grateful to the noble Lord, Lord Soley, for making the first point that I wanted to m...

Lord Shipley | 727 c926-7 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I also welcome the new Minister to her role. I hope that today she will listen carefully t...

Baroness Hilton of Eggardon | 727 c927-8 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I too speak in support of the amendment of the noble Baroness, Lady Harris, and the import...

Lord Brooke of Sutton Mandeville | 727 c928-9 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I shall be brief to the extent of telegraphy, even if it costs me welcoming my noble frien...

Baroness Browning | 727 c937-42 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I thank your Lordships for such a warm welcome from across the Committee. I would apprecia...

Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 727 c935-7 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, first, I welcome the noble Baroness, Lady Browning, to her position. She will already have...

Baroness Hamwee | 727 c934-5 (Link to this contribution) Perhaps I will be not quite the last noble Lord to give a very warm welcome to the noble Baroness. I...

Baroness Farrington of Ribbleton | 727 c933-4 (Link to this contribution) I think that we can agree to a degree that the conclusion the noble Lord reaches is not the same as ...

Baroness Harris of Richmond | 727 c942 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, the time is late. We have had nearly three and a quarter hours of debate on one amendment....

Lord Hamilton of Epsom | 727 c933 (Link to this contribution) My Lords—

Baroness Farrington of Ribbleton | 727 c933 (Link to this contribution) That is not my experience of Lancashire or of the other authorities that I know well. I know that th...

Lord Dear | 727 c933 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to the noble Baroness for giving way so quickly for a second time. For the avoidance o...

Lord Dear | 727 c933 (Link to this contribution) My Lords—

Lord Hamilton of Epsom | 727 c933 (Link to this contribution) The noble Baroness has given way to me. Does she accept that there are some very deprived areas in o...

Baroness Farrington of Ribbleton | 727 c973 (Link to this contribution) Would the noble Baroness care to pose the question that the Leader of the House said could only be a...

Baroness Hamwee | 727 c973 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, if I was not interrupted in the middle of the sentence, I would have tried to get to the e...

Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 727 c974 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I would like to speak to the generality of the noble Baroness’s amendment. I will not comm...

Baroness Browning | 727 c974 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am grateful to my noble friend Lady Hamwee because this has been a fragmented debate and...

Baroness Hamwee | 727 c974-6 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I take the point about the year and the reality of such arrangements to which the noble Lo...

Lord Bassam of Brighton | 727 c973 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, it would help the House if we heard from the noble Baroness, Lady Hamwee.

Lord Elystan-Morgan | 727 c973 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, may I make one very small point?

Baroness Anelay of St Johns | 727 c962 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, perhaps I can help the noble Lord further. This Government, like any other, would wish to ...

Lord Dear | 727 c915-7 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I, too, welcome the Minister to her place and look forward to working with her on this Bil...

Baroness Farrington of Ribbleton | 727 c932 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I, too, welcome the Minister to her appointment. I welcome her because of her experience, ...

Baroness Hamwee | 727 c973 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I hesitate to say it but the House did hear from me some time ago, and I had actually got ...

Lord Blencathra | 727 c920-1 (Link to this contribution) I would like to hope that that would be the case, but I suspect that the only means of cutting down ...

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