Parliamentary search - Public Bodies Bill [HL]

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726 c1529-92, (corrigendum) 1722

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Public Bodies Bill (HL). As amended on Report.
Monday, 4 April 2011
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Public Bodies Bill (HL). As amended in Committee.
Wednesday, 9 March 2011
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Proceeding contributions

Lord Taylor of Holbeach | 726 c1572-3 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, this has been an important debate and probably gets to the nub of how this particular Bill...

Lord Maclennan of Rogart | 726 c1572 (Link to this contribution) I rise briefly to say that I agree with my noble and learned friend Lord Mackay of Clashfern. The is...

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Viscount Eccles | 726 c1571-2 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I think it was Hegel who got us all into the categorical imperative of ““must””. I have ce...

Lord Neill of Bladen | 726 c1571 (Link to this contribution) No, my Lords. The word ““must”” is already in Clause 11(2), and attention has been drawn to that fac...

Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 726 c1573 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am sorry, too, but would like this to be clarified. At the moment, the clause says: "““I...

Lord Taylor of Holbeach | 726 c1573 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I can confirm that every statutory instrument will have to be accompanied by an Explanator...

Lord Lester of Herne Hill | 726 c1573 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am grateful to the Minister and sorry to interrupt. I was trying to grasp why one needed...

Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 726 c1562-3 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, we come to a very important group of amendments that is concerned with the procedure-makin...

Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 726 c1562 (Link to this contribution) 69: Clause 11, page 6, line 3, leave out ““may”” and insert ““must””

Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 726 c1562 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, that is very handsome of the Minister and we look forward to coming back to this on Third ...

Lord Taylor of Holbeach | 726 c1562 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am under instructions to resist—I think that is usually the phrase that is used. However...

Lord Pannick | 726 c1562 (Link to this contribution) I support the noble Lord’s observation. The Minister, in his response to the previous amendment, agr...

Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 726 c1562 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, in the light of the debate, given that this is a very modest amendment, would the Minister...

Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 726 c1561 (Link to this contribution) 68: Clause 10, page 5, line 40, at end insert— ““( ) Where the responsible Minister considers that t...

Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 726 c1558 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am very grateful to the noble Lord, Lord Taylor, and all noble Lords who have spoken in ...

Baroness Thomas of Winchester | 726 c1563-5 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I hope that the noble Lord, Lord Hunt, will forgive me if I do not go down the path of dis...

Lord Phillips of Sudbury | 726 c1565-6 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, my Amendment 69AA is the second amendment in this group. I think that there has been some ...

Lord Dubs | 726 c1566 (Link to this contribution) Amendment 96 is in my name and I feel that, if the mood of the House were different, I could have pu...

Lord Blackwell | 726 c1569 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am not convinced that the additional procedures set out in Amendment 71 are necessary. I...

Lord Whitty | 726 c1568-9 (Link to this contribution) I can only agree with what my noble friend Lord Adonis has just said with regards to Amendment 71. H...

Lord Blackwell | 726 c1569-70 (Link to this contribution) I thank the noble Lord for his intervention. I was going on to say that, if there were to be a chang...

Lord Dubs | 726 c1567 (Link to this contribution) It does partly, but Amendment 96 is a little stronger, as it would mean that, when faced with an ord...

Lord Adonis | 726 c1567 (Link to this contribution) Can my noble friend clarify one important point? As I understand the amendment in the name of my nob...

Lord Adonis | 726 c1568 (Link to this contribution) The case made by my noble friend Lord Hunt in respect of the super-affirmative procedure is extremel...

Lord Lester of Herne Hill | 726 c1567-8 (Link to this contribution) Amendment 69 seems unexceptionable. I do not understand why the word ““may”” is included in Clause 1...

Lord Mackay of Clashfern | 726 c1570 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, on Amendment 69 and ““must”” instead of ““may””, it is a normal convention on the whole th...

Lord Neill of Bladen | 726 c1570-1 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, the noble Lord, Lord Adonis, expressed the view that there should be an opportunity for pa...

Lord Phillips of Sudbury | 726 c1571 (Link to this contribution) Is the noble Lord suggesting that Clause 11(2), which requires an explanatory document to be produce...

Lord Pannick | 726 c1554 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I support Amendment 65, in the name of the noble Lord, Lord Hunt of Kings Heath, for three...

Lord Whitty | 726 c1555 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I support the amendment in the name of my noble friend Lord Hunt and indeed the one referr...

Lord Kennedy of Southwark | 726 c1553 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I support Amendment 65 moved by my noble friend Lord Hunt of Kings Heath, and in doing so ...

Viscount Eccles | 726 c1553-4 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I should like to take this opportunity to pay tribute to Lord Colville of Culross. Lord Co...

Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 726 c1551-2 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, earlier in our debate noble Lords paid tribute to the noble Lord, Lord Taylor, for his con...

Lord Maclennan of Rogart | 726 c1552-3 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, this group of amendments touches a matter that has been very extensively discussed. I hope...

Lord Henley | 726 c1551 (Link to this contribution) 64: Clause 9, page 5, line 14, leave out subsection (8) Amendment 64 agreed. Clause 10 : Consultat...

Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 726 c1551 (Link to this contribution) 65: Clause 10, page 5, line 22, after ““consult”” insert ““the public, including””

Lord Rowlands | 726 c1550 (Link to this contribution) I listened to the Minister’s reply with great interest and I would like to put two points to him. Fi...

Lord Henley | 726 c1550-1 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, we are at a relatively late stage of this Bill. I appreciate that there is one further sta...

Lord Wigley | 726 c1547-8 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I pick up some of the points made by the noble Lord, Lord Rowlands, which will no doubt ex...

Baroness Gale | 726 c1548 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, first, I thank the Minister very much for explaining in detail how we reached the amendmen...

Lord Henley | 726 c1549-50 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I start by making an apology to the House and correct something that I said in my opening ...

Baroness Hayter of Kentish Town | 726 c1542-3 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I thank the Minister for his reply. Clearly we are not worried about what present Minister...

Lord Henley | 726 c1543 (Link to this contribution) 63: Clause 9, page 5, line 5, leave out from ““in”” to ““an”” in line 6

Lord Lester of Herne Hill | 726 c1540-1 (Link to this contribution) Unfortunately, I was not able to be here when the Minister spoke. Therefore, strictly I am being unm...

Lord Taylor of Holbeach | 726 c1541-2 (Link to this contribution) I did not want to object to my noble friend contributing to the debate but I felt like asking him wh...

Lord Brabazon of Tara | 726 c1542 (Link to this contribution) The amendment before the House at the moment is Amendment 60AA in the name of the noble Baroness, La...

Baroness Butler-Sloss | 726 c1538-9 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I add my praise to the Minister, which the noble and learned Lord, Lord Woolf, expressed s...

Baroness Royall of Blaisdon | 726 c1539-40 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, it is my turn now to pay tribute to the Minister. This is a greatly improved Bill and it i...

Lord Pannick | 726 c1537-8 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I, too, warmly welcome the amendments brought forward by the Minister. I, too, associate m...

Lord Whitty | 726 c1538 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I support the amendments in the name of my noble friend Lady Hayter, specifically Amendmen...

Lord Phillips of Sudbury | 726 c1535 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I shall speak to Amendment 60B. I cannot resist following up the compliments of the noble ...

Baroness Hayman | 726 c1535 (Link to this contribution) It might be of assistance to the House if the noble Lord would choose whether to move his amendment ...

Lord Elton | 726 c1536 (Link to this contribution) It may be of some interest to noble Lords who have the same print of the Marshalled List as I have t...

Lord Maclennan of Rogart | 726 c1536-7 (Link to this contribution) I am very grateful to my noble friend Lord Elton for making that clear. There is a difference; in fa...

Lord Woolf | 726 c1535-6 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I will intervene briefly on Amendment 60A to add to the paeans of praise from other noble ...

Lord Maclennan of Rogart | 726 c1536 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I would like to add my words of appreciation to those that have already been made to my no...

Lord Taylor of Holbeach | 726 c1529 (Link to this contribution) 60A: Clause 8, page 4, line 7, leave out subsection (1) and insert— ““(1) A Minister may make an ord...

Lord Taylor of Holbeach | 726 c1529-32 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, government Amendments 60A, 69A and 69B in this group are an important contribution to the ...

Baroness Hayter of Kentish Town | 726 c1532 (Link to this contribution) 60AA: Clause 8, line 4, leave out ““public functions”” and insert ““the public functions exercisable...

Baroness Hayter of Kentish Town | 726 c1532-3 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I start by paying tribute to the Minister, because this Bill has improved enormously since...

Lord Soley | 726 c1533-4 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I will speak to Amendment 60A. I am a member of the Delegated Powers and Regulatory Reform...

Lord Taylor of Holbeach | 726 c1574 (Link to this contribution) I make my point quite simply: if he does not lay an order, he will not get it approved. It is as sim...

Lord Mackay of Clashfern | 726 c1574 (Link to this contribution) I am sorry to respond, because this is Report and it is the last thing I want to do, but it seems to...

Lord Taylor of Holbeach | 726 c1575-8 (Link to this contribution) As it is Report and we are not supposed to be arguing in this way on these matters, I hope the House...

Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 726 c1578 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am sure that we are all very grateful to the noble Lord, Lord Taylor, for his extensive ...

Lord Faulkner of Worcester | 726 c1581 (Link to this contribution) Before calling Amendment 69A, I must advise the House that if this amendment is agreed to, I cannot ...

Lord Lester of Herne Hill | 726 c1574 (Link to this contribution) I am in more of a muddle now than I thought I was. Clause 11(1) proceeds on the basis that, "““the M...

Lord Mackay of Clashfern | 726 c1574 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, the point that is covered by ““may”” rather than ““must”” is that, in the light of the con...

Lord Phillips of Sudbury | 726 c1574 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I hate to disagree with a noble and learned friend and former Lord Chancellor, but I have ...

Lord Taylor of Holbeach | 726 c1581 (Link to this contribution) 69A: Clause 11, page 6, line 8, leave out from ““order”” to end of line 9 Amendment 69A agreed. Am...

Lord Taylor of Holbeach | 726 c1591-2 (Link to this contribution) 98: Clause 25, page 14, line 6, at end insert— ““““charity”” has the meaning given in section 1(1) o...

Lord Taylor of Holbeach | 726 c1591 (Link to this contribution) 95: Clause 21, page 12, line 37, at end insert ““or a cross-border operator”” Amendment 95 agreed. ...

Lord Taylor of Holbeach | 726 c1591 (Link to this contribution) 92: Clause 20, page 11, line 27, leave out ““the transfer of a function under section 12”” and inser...

Baroness Royall of Blaisdon | 726 c1590-1 (Link to this contribution) I thank the Minister for responding to the concerns that we have expressed throughout the Bill about...

Lord Taylor of Holbeach | 726 c1590 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, it is a great pleasure to introduce this final group of amendments of what has been an exc...

Lord Taylor of Holbeach | 726 c1590 (Link to this contribution) 91: Clause 18, page 10, line 13, leave out subsection (1) and insert— ““(1) An order under the prece...

Lord Taylor of Holbeach | 726 c1590 (Link to this contribution) 90A: Clause 16, page 9, line 26, leave out ““the preceding provisions of this Act”” and insert ““sec...

Lord Taylor of Holbeach | 726 c1586 (Link to this contribution) 80: After Clause 12, insert the following new Clause— ““Powers relating to other bodies (1) The Wels...

Lord Taylor of Holbeach | 726 c1585-6 (Link to this contribution) 73: Clause 12, page 7, line 5, leave out paragraphs (b) and (c) and insert— ““(b) the Welsh devolved...

Lord Taylor of Holbeach | 726 c1587-8 (Link to this contribution) 84: Clause 14, page 9, line 2, leave out subsections (1) to (3) and insert— ““(1) A person to whom t...

Lord Taylor of Holbeach | 726 c1586-7 (Link to this contribution) 81: Clause 13, page 8, line 25, after ““12”” insert ““or (Powers relating to other bodies)”” 82: C...

Lord Taylor of Holbeach | 726 c1588 (Link to this contribution) 87: After Clause 14, insert the following new Clause— ““Consent of UK Ministers (1) The Secretary of...

Lord Taylor of Holbeach | 726 c1588 (Link to this contribution) 86A: After Clause 14, insert the following new Clause— ““Purpose and conditions for orders made by W...

Lord Taylor of Holbeach | 726 c1590 (Link to this contribution) 90: Clause 15, leave out Clause 15 Amendment 90 agreed. Clause 16 : Restrictions on Ministerial po...

Lord Taylor of Holbeach | 726 c1588-90 (Link to this contribution) 88: After Clause 14, insert the following new Clause— ““Consultation by Welsh Ministers (1) Where th...

Baroness Royall of Blaisdon | 726 c1581-5 (Link to this contribution) 71: Clause 11, page 6, line 31, leave out subsections (7) to (10) and insert— ““(7) If, after the ex...

Lord Taylor of Holbeach | 726 c1581 (Link to this contribution) 69B: Clause 11, page 6, line 10, after ““that”” insert— ““(i) the order serves the purpose in sectio...

Lord Taylor of Holbeach | 726 c1555-8 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, this has been an interesting debate that has built on the progress that we have made since...

Lord Henley | 726 c1543-5 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, in moving the amendment in the name of my noble friend Lord Taylor, I shall speak also to ...

Lord Rowlands | 726 c1545-7 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I will speak to my amendment, which would delete Clause 13, and to Amendment 87A, which su...

Lord Adonis | 726 c1569 (Link to this contribution) Would the noble Lord be prepared to give that power to the House as a whole, because at the moment t...

Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 726 c1574 (Link to this contribution) The next subsection uses ““must””. I know that this is a very familiar argument, but it is quite cle...

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In Divisions Nos. 1 and 2, Lord Sheldon and not Lord Selsdon should have been recorded as voting Content.

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