Parliamentary Voting System and Constituencies Bill. Lords committee stage (fourteenth day). Clause 11 amendments considered. Clause 11 as amended, agreed. New clause considered and withdrawn. Clause 12 amendments considered.
Parliamentary Voting System and Constituencies Bill
Committee of the Whole House (HL)
and
Debate on bills on Wednesday, 26 January 2011,
in the House of Lords.
Type
Parliamentary proceeding
Reference
724 c978-1023, c1033-74 
Session
2010-12
Legislative stage
Committee stage
Chamber / Committee
House of Lords chamber
Parliamentary Voting System and Constituencies Bill. Brought from the Commons. Explanatory notes also published (HL Bill 26-EN).
Wednesday, 3 November 2010
Bills
House of Lords
Wednesday, 3 November 2010
Bills
House of Lords
Proceeding contributions
Lord Goldsmith | 724 c1051 (Link to this contribution)
I wonder whether my noble friend with his great experience in the other place can help the House. I ...
Lord Goldsmith | 724 c1046-7 (Link to this contribution)
I am grateful to the noble Lord for his intervention and for his kind remarks, because he makes my p...
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Lord Howarth of Newport | 724 c1047-50 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, the manifesto on which the Conservative Party fought the last election stated on page 63 s...
Lord Soley | 724 c1050-1 (Link to this contribution)
I rise not only to support my noble friend with or without the amendment of the noble Lord, Lord Nor...
Lord Falconer of Thoroton | 724 c1038-9 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I have two questions. First, in Clause 11, rule 7(1)(b) states that if the Boundary Commis...
Lord Strathclyde | 724 c1039-40 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I thank the noble and learned Lord for raising his questions in the debate on Clause 11 st...
Lord Strathclyde | 724 c1037-8 (Link to this contribution)
There is a remorseless logic to that fact. To return to the noble Baroness’s speech, I did not follo...
Baroness McDonagh | 724 c1038 (Link to this contribution)
I hope the point that I made about what happens between this stage and the next will bring some chan...
Lord Falconer of Thoroton | 724 c1040 (Link to this contribution)
91: After Clause 11, insert the following new Clause—
““Variation in limit of number of holders of m...
Lord Falconer of Thoroton | 724 c1040-3 (Link to this contribution)
The amendment would reduce the number of paid ministerial officeholders in proportion to the reducti...
Lord Tyler | 724 c1045-6 (Link to this contribution)
I wonder whether noble and learned Lord will take his argument a step further. There is a powerful c...
Lord Goldsmith | 724 c1045 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, it is an enormous privilege to speak immediately after the noble Lord, Lord Norton of Lout...
Lord Norton of Louth | 724 c1043 (Link to this contribution)
91A: After Clause 11, line 12, leave out from ““650,”” to end of line 14 and insert ““the number of ...
Lord Wallace of Tankerness | 724 c1018 (Link to this contribution)
The first thing to note, because it happened very late at night, is that the Government accepted an ...
Lord Wallace of Tankerness | 724 c1018-20 (Link to this contribution)
I think that the noble Lord congratulated us on that at the time.
The point I am trying to make is ...
Lord Touhig | 724 c1020-1 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, we have had a first-class debate. Seventeen of your Lordships have taken part. We have had...
Baroness McDonagh | 724 c1034 (Link to this contribution)
90C: Clause 11, page 12, line 42, at end insert—
““( ) When the average number of eligible voters pe...
Lord Bach | 724 c1037 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, the Committee should be grateful to my noble friend for having raised, with her great expe...
Lord Campbell-Savours | 724 c1037 (Link to this contribution)
If you have a cap at 600 and the electorate rises in the way that my noble friend is saying, does th...
Lord Strathclyde | 724 c1037 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I, too, am delighted that the noble Baroness, Lady McDonagh, spoke to her amendment becaus...
Lord Wallace of Tankerness | 724 c1016-7 (Link to this contribution)
No; I wish to answer some of the points that have been made in the debate.
The amendment stipulates...
Lord Kinnock | 724 c1016 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, will the noble and learned Lord give way as a parliamentarian?
Lord Wallace of Tankerness | 724 c1015-6 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I start by thanking the noble Lord, Lord Touhig, for moving this amendment almost three ho...
Lord Bach | 724 c1012-5 (Link to this contribution)
We have had an extraordinary debate with many outstanding speeches from all sides of the Committee. ...
Lord Campbell-Savours | 724 c1011-2 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I strongly support my noble friend Lord Touhig on his amendment. I do not want to repeat m...
Lord Jones | 724 c1009-10 (Link to this contribution)
I am glad to follow my noble friend Lady Gale because she has huge insight into Wales and its workin...
Baroness Gale | 724 c1007-9 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, it is a great pleasure to be taking part for the first time in this debate tonight. The We...
Lord Wallace of Tankerness | 724 c1017 (Link to this contribution)
I think that that would be accepted and acknowledged on all sides of the Committee. It is not just m...
Lord Kinnock | 724 c1017-8 (Link to this contribution)
As we are explicitly discussing Wales, and the issue of Brecon and Radnorshire has been brought up, ...
Lord Thomas of Gresford | 724 c1017 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, does my noble and learned friend recall that the late Lord Livsey, who for many years was ...
Lord Rowlands | 724 c1004-6 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I had the privilege of representing for 30 years one of the most remarkable constituencies...
Lord Morgan | 724 c998-1001 (Link to this contribution)
I lend my support to this amendment, which has been so admirably moved; there have been a number of ...
Baroness Finlay of Llandaff | 724 c1003-4 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I wish to speak very briefly. The noble Lord, Lord Touhig, introduced this debate with elo...
Lord Roberts of Conwy | 724 c1001-3 (Link to this contribution)
I welcome the noble Lord, Lord Wigley, who is a fellow north Walian. I look forward to hearing his m...
Lord Elystan-Morgan | 724 c994 (Link to this contribution)
I have listened carefully to the noble Lord’s most eloquent submissions in favour of the argument th...
Lord Crickhowell | 724 c992-4 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I had rather expected that I might follow the noble Lord, Lord Rowe-Beddoe, whose name is ...
Lord Rowe-Beddoe | 724 c996-8 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I have listened carefully to the words of the noble Lord, Lord Crickhowell, for whom I hav...
Lord Crickhowell | 724 c994-6 (Link to this contribution)
I do not really wish to add to the strength of the argument that I have already put. I am talking ab...
Viscount Tenby | 724 c1006-7 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I rise because my name has been mentioned on a number of occasions during this debate and ...
Lord Morris of Aberavon | 724 c990 (Link to this contribution)
I do not want to detain the House. I have made the point that there is a long association between a ...
Lord Touhig | 724 c978-83 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I am pleased to be opening this debate on Wales so that we can air some issues that concer...
Lord Harries of Pentregarth | 724 c990 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, the noble and learned Lord has made some very helpful points about Wales as a whole and ab...
Lord Morris of Aberavon | 724 c987-90 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, save for a short intervention of about one minute, I have not so far taken part in debates...
Lord Williamson of Horton | 724 c983 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, it is many years since I represented North Wales at cricket, but I assure the noble Lord, ...
Lord Elystan-Morgan | 724 c990-2 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, we have had an excellent debate already, and nearly all the salient points in favour of th...
Lord Soley | 724 c1051-2 (Link to this contribution)
My noble and learned friend anticipates me to some extent. He is exactly right. I recognise the poli...
Lord Myners | 724 c1052-3 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I support the amendment proposed by my noble and learned friend Lord Falconer and the dire...
Lord Strathclyde | 724 c1055-6 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I am delighted to have been encouraged to leap to my feet. I was so enjoying the noble Lor...
Lord Goldsmith | 724 c1056 (Link to this contribution)
I am very interested in the noble Lord’s observation about the defect in my noble and learned friend...
Lord Myners | 724 c1053-5 (Link to this contribution)
I said ““in great detail””. I knew how to spot the tricky words. I tended to skip over the salutatio...
Lord Rea | 724 c1055 (Link to this contribution)
It may interest your Lordships that, while I was listening to this extremely interesting exchange, I...
Lord Tyler | 724 c1055 (Link to this contribution)
I am extremely grateful to my fellow Cornishman. I was going to say that the past few minutes have g...
Lord Lipsey | 724 c1060 (Link to this contribution)
I can be even briefer. My amendment, Amendment 91B, reflects a suggestion made in the British Academ...
Lord Wallace of Tankerness | 724 c1060-1 (Link to this contribution)
Amendments 91AA and 91B would change the process of consultation as set out in the Bill. The Governm...
Lord Kennedy of Southwark | 724 c1061-2 (Link to this contribution)
I thank the noble and learned Lord for his response and look forward to what comes back at Report. I...
Lord Falconer of Thoroton | 724 c1062 (Link to this contribution)
93: Clause 12, page 13, leave out lines 17 to 23 and insert—
““(2) A Boundary Commission may cause a...
Lord Falconer of Thoroton | 724 c1062-6 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, this is an important amendment about public inquiries. It is well known throughout this Ho...
Lord Norton of Louth | 724 c1058-9 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I was tempted by the noble Lord, Lord Howarth, who suggested that we were in seminar mode....
Lord Falconer of Thoroton | 724 c1059 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I am grateful for all the support around the House for Amendment 91. It was an amusing and...
Lord Kennedy of Southwark | 724 c1059 (Link to this contribution)
91AA: Clause 12, page 13, line 14, at end insert—
““( ) of all written representations made to the B...
Lord Kennedy of Southwark | 724 c1060 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I will not detain the House long. My amendment inserts a new paragraph into new Section 5(...
Baroness Farrington of Ribbleton | 724 c1058 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, if the Leader of the House is prepared to study the behaviour of different Ministers durin...
Lord Strathclyde | 724 c1058 (Link to this contribution)
He was very brave, the noble Lord, Lord Rooker.
Lord Strathclyde | 724 c1057-8 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I would not necessarily compare all Governments with the standard of the previous one. My ...
Lord Strathclyde | 724 c1057 (Link to this contribution)
I am glad to have got that right.
What about the ramifications of all of this? For example, it migh...
Lord Soley | 724 c1057 (Link to this contribution)
The Minister has set the alarm bells ringing in my mind with his earlier phrase that we might not ne...
Lord Strathclyde | 724 c1056 (Link to this contribution)
I am going to come to that but the noble and learned Lord should not hold his breath for me making a...
Lord Goldsmith | 724 c1056 (Link to this contribution)
The noble Lord has spotted that quite correctly.
Lord Wallace of Tankerness | 724 c1069-72 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I thank the noble and learned Lord, Lord Falconer of Thoroton, for introducing this amendm...
Lord Falconer of Thoroton | 724 c1072-4 (Link to this contribution)
I am very grateful for a very positive response. I shall deal with a few points so that people can r...
Lord Henley | 724 c1069 (Link to this contribution)
Oh, come on.
Lord Goldsmith | 724 c1069 (Link to this contribution)
I really must object to that comment from the noble Lord, Lord Henley, who, as far as I can see, has...
Lord Goldsmith | 724 c1068-9 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I was going to support this amendment even before hearing the noble and learned Lord, Lord...
Lord Woolf | 724 c1066-7 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I support this amendment on the grounds already put before the House by the noble and lear...
Lord Brooke of Alverthorpe | 724 c1067-8 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I support the amendment of my noble and learned friend Lord Falconer. As the noble and lea...
Lord Norton of Louth | 724 c1043-4 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, the amendment of the noble and learned Lord, Lord Falconer of Thoroton, as he just outline...
Lord Touhig | 724 c978 (Link to this contribution)
89BA: Clause 11, page 11, line 26, at end insert—
““(5) If the number of constituencies allocated to...
Baroness McDonagh | 724 c1034-7 (Link to this contribution)
This amendment seeks to provide that when the average size of constituency reaches 74,000 voters, th...
Lord Howarth of Newport | 724 c983-7 (Link to this contribution)
I thank my noble friend Lord Touhig for laying out the case on behalf of Wales so impressively. Thes...
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